ReGenX Coils and ReGenXtra switching

[BroMikey]

Thane is at it again showing his latest video calling
the regenx coil complimentary.

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX0gbxQ9JPs[/VIDEO]

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcIYOWaypvM[/VIDEO]

[BroMikey]

Well you can understand it! :-)
What the guy says is:
1.
If a coil builds up voltage because of an approaching magnet it charges its own "parasitic" capacitance first. This takes some time.

Take as rough imagination the circuit for driving a spark gap see left side. C1 is being charged first before the spark gap ignites. In our case we have of course not this digital behaviour but merely an interlieving between internal and external current.

2.
It is not the high impedance per se that is requried but with some few windings like e.g. a car alternator you cannot get this inherent capacitance big enough. You need some more windings - best bifliar like Tesla tought. The more windings the lower the threshold where we are in the business. Therefore a big wheel with many magnets rises the frequency without necessity of high rpm.

3.
This inhernet capacitance is something very special and is not subject of text books because it is seen as "parasitic" effect only. Some inventors state that it does not fulfill all request for a normal known capacitor e.g. it charges obviously not with uniform current like an external capacitor. Somehow this internal charging process produces no external magnetic influence (needs to be tested out). It might even be possible that the internal capacitance charges without current at all. Such things are blind spots in our "all knowing" science.

At Utkin paper I recently mentioned, we have a similar but reverse effect. If you make a coil part of a capacitor it will produce current in the coil just by cycling voltage at the capacitor in unidirectional way. The goodie is: it adds more energy than allowed by science. That is the magic at those famous radiant machines we saw in the past.
The law of conservation of energy is only the effect of symmetrical systems that are 99.999% of our applications. So let's break the symmetry ....

basket coils in order to have far less parasitic capacitance and add their "good" external one.

Note: The "magic" here is the charge of internal capacitance that obviously hides the Lenz effekt. His invention is that he is able to engineer this neglected and "parasitic" part of electricity.

5.
If you intend to use this effect along a Bedini wheel you need to account for its genuine sweet spot. It might be far lower than the threshold for the regenx coil as wound from first guess. Therefore length of wire and diameter of the gen goils need to be checked and tested. So you might want to get first a jig where you test your regenx coils along variable rpm and then optimize them in order to comply to Bedini wheel sweet spot.
Nevertheless the low drag effect of the Bedini energizer (as recently mentioned by me) as explained in the advanced handbook is still present at the regenx coils and overlaps it. So do not ignore it if you start your work. Both effects need to be engineered.

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Please take this as personal opinion. Partly it does not comply to science - I know that. Almost all inventions begun with violating well known scinece. First they laugh, then they ignore and in the end they claim to have known it from the very beginning. That's human - unfortunately.
John

Thank You John

I think yer a giant thinker. I have been longing to hear any
kind of higher explanation than I give. Me way down here and
I am happy with that. Spelling out the goal or purpose of this
effect using normal scientific terms is something I lack.

However what I do is to listen to the other guy as he shows
his experiment (Like Thane or John B) and stay with it long
enough to get their message. In a few days I am able to
see a potion of their life's work sometimes and actually
make an informed statement.

I hope you stick around for the fireworks.

[JohnStone]

Well you can understand it! :-)
What the guy says is:
1.
If a coil builds up voltage because of an approaching magnet it charges its own "parasitic" capacitance first. This takes some time.

Take as rough imagination the circuit for driving a spark gap see left side. C1 is being charged first before the spark gap ignites. In our case we have of course not this digital behaviour but merely an interlieving between internal and external current.

2.
It is not the high impedance per se that is requried but with some few windings like e.g. a car alternator you cannot get this inherent capacitance big enough. You need some more windings - best bifliar like Tesla tought. The more windings the lower the threshold where we are in the business. Therefore a big wheel with many magnets rises the frequency without necessity of high rpm.

3.
This inhernet capacitance is something very special and is not subject of text books because it is seen as "parasitic" effect only. Some inventors state that it does not fulfill all request for a normal known capacitor e.g. it charges obviously not with uniform current like an external capacitor. Somehow this internal charging process produces no external magnetic influence (needs to be tested out). It might even be possible that the internal capacitance charges without current at all. Such things are blind spots in our "all knowing" science.

At Utkin paper I recently mentioned, we have a similar but reverse effect. If you make a coil part of a capacitor it will produce current in the coil just by cycling voltage at the capacitor in unidirectional way. The goodie is: it adds more energy than allowed by science. That is the magic at those famous radiant machines we saw in the past.
The law of conservation of energy is only the effect of symmetrical systems that are 99.999% of our applications. So let's break the symmetry ....

basket coils in order to have far less parasitic capacitance and add their "good" external one. And Tesla suggested bifilar winding in order to grow exact this effect and engineer it. BTW: winding with isolated foils will give very good "parasitics". Try aluminum adhesive tape two layers (bifilar) - if copper available it will far better. It gives highest capacitance and low resistance compared to wires. My calulation gives: Tape 2" wide and 0.075mm thick gives a resistance that is comparable to copper AWG 13/14 (2.4 sqmm) but HIGHHHHH capacitance.

Note: The "magic" here is the charge of internal capacitance that obviously hides the Lenz effekt. His invention is that he is able to engineer this neglected and "parasitic" part of electricity.

5.
If you intend to use this effect along a Bedini wheel you need to account for its genuine sweet spot. It might be far lower than the threshold for the regenx coil as wound from first guess. Therefore length of wire and diameter of the gen goils need to be checked and tested. So you might want to get first a jig where you test your regenx coils along variable rpm and then optimize them in order to comply to Bedini wheel sweet spot.
Nevertheless the low drag effect of the Bedini energizer (as recently mentioned by me) as explained in the advanced handbook is still present at the regenx coils and overlaps it. So do not ignore it if you start your work. Both effects need to be engineered.

----------------
Please take this as personal opinion. Partly it does not comply to science - I know that. Almost all inventions begun with violating well known scinece. First they laugh, then they ignore and in the end they claim to have known it from the very beginning. That's human - unfortunately.
John

[BroMikey]

@bistander: Thanks a lot
@bromikey: yes, please guide a blind man

Okay well I found it but I don't know who can understand it.
http://www.energeticforum.com/284957-post3.html

[JohnStone]

@bistander: Thanks a lot
@bromikey: yes, please guide a blind man

[BroMikey]

Still pondering on it and did not get any grip up to now.

But yes I believe it is something to that with regenx.

Sorry, those are all my notions I can share just now :-( I would eagery use my lab for experiments but there is no chance for next 20 month.
John

Would you like me to point out the main theoretical principle?
I know right where 2 video's are on a black board.
It is easy.

[bistander]

I red somewhere that a collpsing magentic field reverses compared to the steady orientation before.

Hi John,

The collapsing magnetic field does not reverse. The field and associated current maintain the same orientation or direction. It is the potential difference or voltage which reverses polarity when the field starts to collapse compared to the polarity induced when the magnetic field was initiated.

Best regards,

bi

[JohnStone]

Still pondering on it and did not get any grip up to now.
Normal theory is insufficient. If you store energy in the coil along textbook knowledge you need to have an energy flow and that is only possible via current.
My question above is real. I red somewhere that a collpsing magentic field reverses compared to the steady orientation before. If that is true one can engineer that.
At my last post I pointed how Bedini engineered the lenz effect and uncovered it in the advanced handbook.

Nevertheless I know radiant will become real power if one side (or both) of a capacitor plate is a coil (see Utkin paper). But I doubt we deal here with these effects Utkin describes. But it shows very clearly how controverse the reality is compared to our notions we feel they were true. BTW: electrolytic caps and foil caps are coiled ......

But yes I believe it is something to that with regenx. But inventors know only the ingredients to tweak it but do not know the true explanation. So we are so blind like them. Their advantage is they have something and we lack it.

If you study the very early researches in matters of elctricity they had no clue, no theory, no terms for that - we are like they were. Even Tesla used in later times terms like electricity and frequency in a very different meaning (e.g. frequency were only those steep DC pulses and not sine AC any more and elctricity was static voltage only)

Sorry, those are all my notions I can share just now :-( I would eagery use my lab for experiments but there is no chance for next 20 month.
John

[BroMikey]

Hi, may I chime in?

Please do not see this post as destructive but we need to get true facts.

John

John
I would like to hear what you are thinking.

Hey John I want to hear what you think about this ReGenX
stuff. If it is not fantasy then how does it work.

I created this thread to learn and so far all across the world
no one understands it or can explain it.

[JohnStone]

Well, in the advanced book they show why the energizer is of low drag type. The main energy is being produced hust arond TDC where Lenz does not act sideways. (see page 51/ I hesitate to add pics here because they might be copyrighted and you should own the book yourself)
Things get better if the wheel is bigger. Therefore tiny energizers will not work. I like teh idea to own a wheeel with 1m diameter. Bedini is tolde rto have stated in early days that if you want to extract real power you should have a wheel in the size of truck wheels and coils in the size of coffee jugs.

If we stand away from, the idea to get the very whole range of magnetic interference but restrict ourselves to the area around TDC it will work fine.

In the book they show the circuitry at the gen coil: diode, capacitor and the LED load (see page 41). This is very smart because only while charging the cap initially the whole range of magent passing is being used and normal drag occurs.
If the LED load is tuned poperly (let's say charge peak 14V and discharge inbetween charge pulses decay to 12V) - then only the very center around TDC wil cause current. This is dead simple and dead smart. Voltage difference and the diode perform the switching almost for free.

And Bedini again and agin showed his giant fan at his bicycle wheel and stated again and again that the effectivity will rise under moderate load and of course he had his very first publication with the energizer out there ..... do you get the idea?

Note: We should stand away from the idea to have an OU generator and at same time get deliberately any power within the range at will like mains. Almost all of them are tuned to a certain load. Nevertheless we can switch on and off gen coil after gen coil in order to face the power need.

Additional idea:
1.
We should understand that our current electric science deals with current and therefore with resistance and losses. And we can harvest current in the vicinity of TDC with low or very low drag.
Did you notice that at rotoverter they do the vey same?
It needs to be tested how we can convert the gen coil as boost converter along active pulsing in order to get the voltage needed.


2.
If I charge a coil with current (aka magentism) I have the north pole at a certain end - the magnet field is being driven by current. But if I stop current - will the magnetic field reverse for the discharge time in order to drive itself the current? I found no textbook explaining this detail. If the answer is yes we have the point where to accelerate while extracting power.

1+2
Given 1+2 holds true we can short circuit the gen coil around TDC actively and discharge it after that generating accelleration.

Unfortunately I have up to now no setup for testing and free time is severly resticted. Therefore take this as thought food. And next idea as well.

At driving circuitry we need to spend some thoughts as well - same thing: extremely smart circuitry but tricky to understand. But this seems not to be the right place for this because here we deal with generators.

[rosehillworks]

elaborate

John
I would like to hear what you are thinking.

[JohnStone]

Hi, may I chime in?
Unfortunately this test is incomplete. Conrad took as reference the condition that load is maximum (max. voltage and max. current).
Please do not see this post as destructive but we need to get true facts. This is unfortunately one of those cases where a truly sincere experimenter fools himself.
There might really be something to it but those tests do not reveal it.

Here my penny to it: See delayed Lenz effect from Naudin lab: The Delayed Lenz Effect exploration and tests

BTW: Are you fixed on self accelerating generators only? In the advanced handbook we learn how low drag performs. In case somebody cares I can elaborate on this.
John

[BroMikey]

Good ole Conrade thinks systematically. It is the small effects
that his basic setup shows how we can get the extra energy.

You will note that Conrade uses very long sections of wire in his
coils constituting a high impedance. If these coils were made of
short thick wire I suspect that the rotating magnet would put
down the drive motor to a great degree before even connecting
a load.

Not all coils give the same result.

All tests need to be done separately. Run a dc motor by itself
measuring the energy used before bringing any coil into a close
proximity with the magnet.

Next bring the coil in question that you have wound near the
rotating magnet then measure the DC drive motor watts again
before and after loading.

Conrade is a simple genius. Go Conrade Go!!!!

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAXQBpuLu68[/VIDEO]

[BroMikey]

Motor Party

Here is a great intro, Thanks A Million Thane.

[BroMikey]

Time is up, back to the bricks.

Thane Heins has opened a new channel for the newest
innovations with his work and more chalk board instruction.

Happy learning.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBslCeRonaXNJ0x_g_ZTEew

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