Your Basic Coil

[barbosi]

Just thought I would share my new findings

Luc

Or better put, your sharing is only a confirmation on what was shared before regarding the acceleration under the load.

... just making sure there is no frivolous attempt to patent it ...

[gotoluc]

Now what?

You people took testing to a whole new level on the other forum, and got.....well the testing continues....please....no more testing....

You got years you say....what's it going to take to make this practical....what is practical in your opinion?


Regards

To make a generator that when under load has no effect to its prime mover?

[gotoluc]

People.....wake up.....it's not about AUL.....

Yes, I agree and known that for a few years.
If you read my post below yours you will see that is not what I'm recommending to do with the effect.

Luc

[gotoluc]

This was posted on my youtube video and though of posting it here as it is the way I see the effect at this time.

Posted by deslomeslager 3 hours ago
First of all: nice build as usual! And thank you for sharing. I watched it with pleasure, and hope to see the next one soon. I think of the rod as a piece of elastic band. And the prime mover as an up-down shifting device as an analogy). The coil is the 'closed end' for the standing waves. As you move the coil you are actually shortening the piece of elastic band (or cord, perhaps it should not be elastic at all). I hope the analogy stands for a bit. What it does not explain or what is not in proportion is about the phase shift. There will be a point where the emf will help rotating the prime mover. On the other hand, if the closed end of a cord is changed in an open end, the amplitude can go to twice it's maximum value since there is a returning wave which adds up. Is this a bad comparison?

My reply:
I'm thinking of the core more like water. The magnet flux, like a wave on the water. The wave is first created by the magnets movement which moves through the core like a wave on water. The coil represent an obstacle to the wave. So if it's close to the beginning of the core the coil reflects the wave back to the magnet which happens to be the same pole the wave was created causing a braking effect to the magnets movement (Lenz Law). Now move the coil back far enough on the core and by the time the wave hits the coil and reflected back to the magnet, the magnet may have had enough time to rotate to the next pole (opposite) which will cause an attraction (acceleration) which is the reverse of Lenz.
As for why different coils cause different result is caused by the coils time constant (charge time) which will dictate on how much time it take for the wave to be reflected back the magnet.
Also, another variable is, If the coil is under load at the same time, this will dictate on how much of the waves force will be reflected back to the magnet, hence reducing its capability of assisting.

I would tend to think the most efficient energy transfer (using this effect) would be to adjust it so the time constant and load completely absorbs the wave and nothing is returned which will cause no lost in magnet movement and no gain.

Now, to say there are no losses to the magnets movement would not be completely correct, as we know Eddy currents in water cause losses and are also present in the core material. However, using the newest technology in thin core material will alleviate much of these losses.
Hope this helps. Luc

[gotoluc]

Update,

most who have been experiencing this AUL (acceleration under load) effect may of noticed it's easier to achieve it with a higher impedance coil (more turns) then a low impedance coil and also using higher rotor rpm = higher frequencies.
Many, including myself (2 years ago) would of thought the coils Inductance was part of the effect seeing it happened with higher impedance coils.
I have now confirm (to myself anyways) that the effect is not based on the coils Inductance by testing the super low impedance coil I showed in my video.
It's inductance is 16uH with a resistance that's so low, it's unmeasurable.
With this special wounding geometry coil I can achieve AUL with the magnet rotor as low as 35Hz which is a new record for me.
The great thing about being able to achieve AUL at a lower frequency is, drastic reduction of core losses caused by eddy currents and hysteresis.

Just thought I would share my new findings

Luc

[gotoluc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr3x0xTqM_k

The coil used in the demo has 5.3 Ohms dc resistance and between 26 to 27mH at any point on the 1/2" round rod core.

Luc

[gotoluc]

Every coil, no matter how it is wound has two intrinsic inverse or reciprocal properties. Inductive / current / magnetic.... and .... Capacitive / voltage / electric.

When a frequency of electric, magnetic or electromagnetic impinges on the coil, the two aspects will react in two different ways. High frequencies will greatly "affect" the capacitive nature of the coil, low frequencies will greatly affect the inductive nature of the coil. At one particular frequency (the fundamental) they meet in agreement. At this frequency they both have the same "resistance" or impedance" they meet in harmony, equality, about an axis of symmetry etc. This line of equilibrium, fulcrum or whatever you want to call it is where the two inverse qualities meet in the realm of time (frequency). IF the coil was simply let to resonate (imagine a tuning fork) it would resonate at this frequency.

Turns out there are other frequencies of interest too, but the most interesting one, the most basic one etc, falls at the fundamental, the others are all variations on this.

Figure out how the most simple systems act, react, what the significance of each is. Then you can apply. Think of the progression of Euclids Elements, how do we construct a working model.

Hi Armagdn03,

It's been a while since I seen you post!

Nice that you dropped in

Always valued your video demos, views and information which my Resonant coils experiments were inspired by.

Luc

[Armagdn03]

I was watching this video of Thane's and noticed a couple of things rather interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5osYN5f35Bc

One of which is storage by means of an electrostatic field instead of an electromagnetic field.

He also mentions how the coils he uses only work within a specific range (critical minimum frequency).

Erfinder, does some of this hit home?

I know you and I have talked about capacity and that works for me. I'm just curious if Thane might be using terms that are not only incorrect, but unnecessary.

Every coil, no matter how it is wound has two intrinsic inverse or reciprocal properties. Inductive / current / magnetic.... and .... Capacitive / voltage / electric.

When a frequency of electric, magnetic or electromagnetic impinges on the coil, the two aspects will react in two different ways. High frequencies will greatly "affect" the capacitive nature of the coil, low frequencies will greatly affect the inductive nature of the coil. At one particular frequency (the fundamental) they meet in agreement. At this frequency they both have the same "resistance" or impedance" they meet in harmony, equality, about an axis of symmetry etc. This line of equilibrium, fulcrum or whatever you want to call it is where the two inverse qualities meet in the realm of time (frequency). IF the coil was simply let to resonate (imagine a tuning fork) it would resonate at this frequency.

Turns out there are other frequencies of interest too, but the most interesting one, the most basic one etc, falls at the fundamental, the others are all variations on this.

Figure out how the most simple systems act, react, what the significance of each is. Then you can apply. Think of the progression of Euclids Elements, how do we construct a working model.

[Midaztouch]

E,

Back in the day, before we went nutz, you were showing me a system. You were/are light yrs ahead of me, so it was extremely difficult for me to understand. Is what your doing now, the same work? If so, are your transferring energy through the motoring side and capturing it on the other side/gen side? Then, when the gen bank fills up, senting that gen energy back through the motor to the side bank?


Keep it Clean and Green
Midaz

[Dog-One]

Thane Heins

I was watching this video of Thane's and noticed a couple of things rather interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5osYN5f35Bc

One of which is storage by means of an electrostatic field instead of an electromagnetic field.

He also mentions how the coils he uses only work within a specific range (critical minimum frequency).

Erfinder, does some of this hit home?

I know you and I have talked about capacity and that works for me. I'm just curious if Thane might be using terms that are not only incorrect, but unnecessary.

[shylo]

All very informative.
I pull generation out of my coils at the same time as they are motoring.
But I have so many different configurations to pull out the power , it's a very tedious task
Some show gain and some show loss.
Erfinder, I watched your last clip , I'm at a loss , I must be missing something, It sped up with greater amp draw, isn't that to be expected?
I use stored voltage in caps to fire my electro-magnets, so I don't know what kind of current is involved.
I am finding that the sequence in which the coils are powered and which bank of caps are discharged, makes a big difference, still trying to figure it out.
When I dump a cap bank it creates drive, which in turn causes generation,which replenishes the bank I just dumped.
Building switches is the hard part.
artv

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, and thanks for sharing what you have thus far erfinder.
I was going to get all deep with my reply, though i realize that is probably like oil and water.
So, here is my offering and this is to all humanity.
The pain one carries, is the love one withholds.
One can teach a man to fish and that will feed him for his life.
However, if this man has no knowledge of a fishing pole or the design and building of such a device, that teaching may be fruitless or take far longer to bear fruit.
And finally.
All humans are equal, if one suffers, all suffer at some point in time.
Let us try and rise above that suffering and wish the highest good of one and all.
Let us try and share freely, love freely and forgive freely, without condition.
Anything less, is just keeping that snowball of suffering going.
We each have a choice, regardless of what appears external to us.
peace love light

[Midaztouch]

Erfinder,


Thanks for the vid. It was very interesting.
Welcome back

Keep it Clean & Green
Midaz

[alman]

I am looking for a serious audiance. I desire to exchange with serious researchers. Instead I am attacked when I just post text.....when I post a video..... crickets.....
In the link you will find a vague video demonstration of the effect you all want, acceleration under load. This time around, I show you that it can be done using one low resistance, low inductance coil operating at low frequency. You didn't listen to me the last time, when I posted a video of a two coil axial setup demonstrating the exact same thing, I doubt you will pay attention this time around either.

IF this is all you are looking for....heaven help you, acceleration under load is not the solution, not even close. The effect is a teaching instrument, you are supposed to be learning something, to find out what that is, I recommend you stop copying and pasting and start formulating and asking the proper questions.

https://vimeo.com/151417537

Regards

Erfinder,
Hey, I've been trying to view your videos and on this one get to 2:19 and the audio disappears and the picture doesn't change but the timer moves right along, is that on my end? MAybe I need to update something. Tried it a couple of times, same thing. Happens on the newer video too so I'll try some one else's computer tomorrow. Crickets on my end cause I am sponging it up, don't want to prove too foolish yet.

I see that the pain has not subsided from the "breakdown in communications" I am sorry to read that. I am as guilty as any for "copy and paste" I will try to be more engaged in discussion after I can view you new video's. Probably not to anyone's benefit. Aln

[Dog-One]

I know it's not your cup of tea Erfinder, but the more of these demonstrations you do, the better at explaining what is going on in there you get.

I don't mind doing private consultations via Skype, I learn a lot, but I think by you doing these videos, more people can learn all at once. You are a good teacher whether you know it or not and you are getting better all the time. Your work in this specific area is second to none.