Your Basic Coil

[Mario]

[Allen Burgess]

This is the third time Allen has made false claims against me on this forum. Sorry Dave for polluting your thread with this but I feel it needs to be said.

First as several of you know I am NOT a she. I am a guy who has retired from working in electronics for over 50 years.

Allen is claiming I have been saying a lot of bad things about this forum. I did say in a post a few months ago that I was going to spend most of my time with OU.com because I was tired of coming to this forum to only see reruns of fake YouTube videos. And I was tired of seeing serious researchers being blasted and called names and slandered because they asked for some evidence that claims made were real. I only said the same thing several of you have said. I am very glad to see some serious researchers back here again.

Allen is also claiming I had some kind of power to have him censured. I do not have that kind of power there. What really happened was the following: Allen (synchro1) was having difficulty understanding what happens when a coil discharges. After some discussion in one to the threads I offered to start a new thread to help Allen understand about the inductive kickback. Allen asked me to go ahead and do that.

After a few pages of discussion and after several scope shots showing the discharge action Allen took offense at what was posted because it did not agree with his idea about inductive kickback. At that point just like in this thread he started attacking people with name calling and cussing and slander. I asked him to knock it off and he proceeded to attack me also. At that point I said I was going to ask Stefan to lock the thread. Several people asked me to not do that as they were learning from our discussion. So I asked Stefan to not lock the thread.

As Allen continued his attacks one of the very senior members then asked Stefan to put Allen on moderated status. I didn't even know you could do that. Allen blames me and Luc for him being put on moderated status but in fact it was his own actions that did it. And to set the record straight a little more it was not Luc either that had him put on moderated status. I know this because of some PMs that were sent to me to tell me what was going on.

Allen, I am sorry you still seem to hold some kind of grudge against me. I was only trying to help you in your understanding of electronics. I hold you no ill will. In fact I pity you. Your behavior is more like a 10 year old than an adult. I sincerely hope you can learn to control your anger against those you don't agree with. We can respectfully agree to disagree without being disagreeable and disrespectful with one another.

Respectfully,
Carroll

Here's a copy off a PM from Carroll, (not to tough):

If your message was because you were put on moderated status you were put there because of a request be one of the other members of this forum. I only asked Stefan to put you on notice for your childish behavior. If you ever expect to get anywhere in this world you need to drop the 10 year old bully attitude. I spent almost a whole day answering your questions and making suggestions to help you understand about inductors. When you saw your ideas were incorrect you went on the attack with name calling and insults. You really need to grow up. I was sent a couple of PM's that told me this is your normal behavior. I am sorry to hear that. If you insist on attacking me after I only tried to help you then I WILL ask that you be banned from this site. I may be fairly new here as far as the number of posts but I have been around too long to put up with your kind of behavior.

Carroll

[citfta]

Gotoluc's inviting everyone to join him on his Overunity thread where he has the power to personally delete your comments if he sees fit. He's no longer interested in commenting about the topic on the Energetic forum because he can't act like a Nazi dictator over here.

I was severly sanctioned off Gotoluc's "Moderated OU Thread" and can't even comment on any of the numerous, broadly audienced threads I initiated over the years due to his excessively strict standards! Luc recruited Citfta for first sergeant, and all she's done at OU is chronically defecate on the Energetic forum.

This is the third time Allen has made false claims against me on this forum. Sorry Dave for polluting your thread with this but I feel it needs to be said.

First as several of you know I am NOT a she. I am a guy who has retired from working in electronics for over 50 years.

Allen is claiming I have been saying a lot of bad things about this forum. I did say in a post a few months ago that I was going to spend most of my time with OU.com because I was tired of coming to this forum to only see reruns of fake YouTube videos. And I was tired of seeing serious researchers being blasted and called names and slandered because they asked for some evidence that claims made were real. I only said the same thing several of you have said. I am very glad to see some serious researchers back here again.

Allen is also claiming I had some kind of power to have him censured. I do not have that kind of power there. What really happened was the following: Allen (synchro1) was having difficulty understanding what happens when a coil discharges. After some discussion in one to the threads I offered to start a new thread to help Allen understand about the inductive kickback. Allen asked me to go ahead and do that.

After a few pages of discussion and after several scope shots showing the discharge action Allen took offense at what was posted because it did not agree with his idea about inductive kickback. At that point just like in this thread he started attacking people with name calling and cussing and slander. I asked him to knock it off and he proceeded to attack me also. At that point I said I was going to ask Stefan to lock the thread. Several people asked me to not do that as they were learning from our discussion. So I asked Stefan to not lock the thread.

As Allen continued his attacks one of the very senior members then asked Stefan to put Allen on moderated status. I didn't even know you could do that. Allen blames me and Luc for him being put on moderated status but in fact it was his own actions that did it. And to set the record straight a little more it was not Luc either that had him put on moderated status. I know this because of some PMs that were sent to me to tell me what was going on.

Allen, I am sorry you still seem to hold some kind of grudge against me. I was only trying to help you in your understanding of electronics. I hold you no ill will. In fact I pity you. Your behavior is more like a 10 year old than an adult. I sincerely hope you can learn to control your anger against those you don't agree with. We can respectfully agree to disagree without being disagreeable and disrespectful with one another.

Respectfully,
Carroll

[Allen Burgess]

Allen
Observations are made and benchmarks established ,then perhaps a summary
Can be made so as to be of value to future researchers.(the time saving thing)

Luc has spent countless hours experimenting in this area
He Personally wound miles of wire onto all manner of cores at Ottawa university for Thane
Researching many different areas.

To be clear the experiments may seem old news to some however they are good for those unaware
Of what to expect on the bench , which is useful when hunting anomalies.

I personally value his contribution , and am quite currious to see his experiments
(As well as investigations of other paths being mentioned here.

Its all good

Respectfully
Chet

@Ramset,


Luc just off loaded another huge crap on the Energetic Forum group like Citfta.

[blackchisel97]

Fight the urge to limit my statement to the physical geometry, I don't, didn't. I am trying to establish coincidence between very specific events. I mentioned the specific events.

Watch the video again, sometimes you have to watch more than once as laymen don't articulate messages well, and generally have to repeat often. Thank my lucky starts for video.


Regards

Ok, understood. I only mentioned as it became important back when I was working on motor/generator concepts.
Yes, I need to watch and probably more than once.

Thanks
V

[RAMSET]

Allen
Observations are made and benchmarks established ,then perhaps a summary
Can be made so as to be of value to future researchers.(the time saving thing)

Luc has spent countless hours experimenting in this area
He Personally wound miles of wire onto all manner of cores at Ottawa university for Thane
Researching many different areas.

To be clear the experiments may seem old news to some however they are good for those unaware
Of what to expect on the bench , which is useful when hunting anomalies.

I personally value his contribution , and am quite currious to see his experiments
(As well as investigations of other paths being mentioned here.

Its all good

Respectfully
Chet

[Allen Burgess]

Luc's video.

Quote from Ramset:

Allen,

"The latest movie from Luc is along the lines of trying to teach and save time and resources for the community as a whole" ...

I couldn't bear to watch the video in it's entirety because it's too long and disinteresting, even though I'm keenly interested in the subject area! Saving more time that way would result in mass coma.

[RAMSET]

Apology's

Perhaps I should have minded my own business ....maybe not.
I read Daves invitation for investigation [his first post]
and knowing what a rabbit hole this can be ,I reached out for Dave and Luc and figured there could be some ground covered so as to make bench time more effective.

we talked about establishing a data base for the community with actual experiments so real experimenters could observe claims of others ...?
and try new things or ??
is this a pipe dream ?
Nah we'll get it done in some fashion even if its just privately or in moderated venues where the noise can be kept down.

I know that Luc likes to type just about as much as he likes having his fingernails pulled out ...very tedious for some of us.

@Erfinder

You are a very brite man , most don't understand a method for making advancements which requires no starting point or benchmark ,I have to admit to being one of them.
and I must add when you speak of the phase flip at a certain point in the cycle ,a very big part of me wants to see this and tune to it...
but tuning or adjusting requires a method for measurement.....?[yes maybe a smarty pants comment but you can see a line needs to be drawn for better understanding ?]

well we are trying to do something here , for clarity it is work together to advance understanding since I also really don't type well it is probably getting lost in "intent"

we are trying to Help the few that actually build do a better job and be more effective at finding or honing an effect ?

yes Barbosi I know its a good show from the chair ....the idea is to make it a good show for the planet.


some really great fellows in these forums .
thanks to all that try to help.
and Allen
the latest movie from Luc is along the lines of trying to teach and save time and resources for the community as a whole ...

nothing to do with "Nancy's" but everything to do with respect , gratitude and understanding ...
where to focus our efforts and where "not so much".



with all respect and good intent

Chet

[Allen Burgess]

Moderated thread.

If anyone is interested in my second video demo, you can join me at my OU forum topic. If you're not a member just register and send me a PM and I'll have you approved faster.
I have moderator privileges there and keep my topics clean.

Study of Generator Coil Acceleration Under Load (moderated)

Gotoluc's inviting everyone to join him on his Overunity thread where he has the power to personally delete your comments if he sees fit. He's no longer interested in commenting about the topic on the Energetic forum because he can't act like a Nazi dictator over here.

I was severly sanctioned off Gotoluc's "Moderated OU Thread" and can't even comment on any of the numerous, broadly audienced threads I initiated over the years due to his excessively strict standards! Luc recruited Citfta for first sergeant, and all she's done at OU is chronically defecate on the Energetic forum.

[blackchisel97]

Jeff Wilson (Bit's-n-Bytes) built what was dubbed "the Wilson coil", it fits the description of coil in your question. Jeff was giving out signed copies (LOL) of schematics of his two cap pulser design at the 2010 conference. Maybe someone here has a copy they can upload for you. I have not been able to locate it here on the forum.

The reason why I post this is because we don't appreciate each other. Many questions which are being asked here and else where have already been answered. Many concepts being revisited, have already been beat to death. I mean no one any disrespect, if my responses come over harsh, the same old same old is taking its toll.

That's a really nice and clean model.

Regards

Yes, that's the one I had in mind. I have built Jeff's TVA and also have his "Pulsinator" device. I have circuits diagrams copies as I kept and archived most relevant posts from Tesla Switch thread. I thought it may be useful. Wrong guess.

One question; when you have mentioned proper geometry, is it about angular offset balancing in order to reduce cogging or something totally different?

Thanks
V

[blackchisel97]

What would happen if we have one winding (layer) done in opposite direction to the others?

Just thinking.

V

[blackchisel97]

erfinder,

the more time I spend looking at this, the more I hope I am beginning to understand where you are coming from. I need to get a machine in front of me that is working so I can observe the same things you are observing. That is my goal at present. It may take me a while, as I have a ton on my plate, but I will get there.

Dave

Same here. I managed to put together similar setup. Waiting for magnets and calculating what size and length of wire should I use.

V

[gotoluc]

If anyone is interested in my second video demo, you can join me at my OU forum topic. If you're not a member just register and send me a PM and I'll have you approved faster.
I have moderator privileges there and keep my topics clean.

Study of Generator Coil Acceleration Under Load (moderated)

[Bob Smith]

Hi V,
I think we're on the same page, though I'm only at the stage of conjecture on applying my findings with a high impedance coil in a different pulsed circuit. You've moved much further ahead than I and I admire your work. Thanks for sharing your findings along with the photo.

Perhaps others more knowledgeable and skilled than myself will have more comments or questions.
Bob

[blackchisel97]

Maybe I'm wrong, but what keeps coming to me is that the primary coil should have a high impedance. This can be done with a core, but as Erfinder says, a core is not needed. A higher gauge wire and high number of turns should do it, I would think; shorting the coil also hugely increases its impedance, does it not?

With a high impedance primary, there should be a larger induced voltage spike from the passing magnet, and an accompanying larger CEMF response.

Any thoughts?
Bob

Hi Bob,

By primary, you mean the prime mover coil, correct? Just want to make sure we're on the same page. Maybe bi or multifilar? I just finished testing modified coil driver circuit with very good BEMF recovery and my coil has only two windings of 2.85mH each but when connected together it measures 11.15mH. I'm filling 10uF/400V cap and discharging into various larger capacitors (1,500uF and up). When done right (right timing) it doesn't have any effect on the input or speed. There is a lot of power which can be obtained and recycled into the system from that one little coil and it is free.

Regards
V