Your Basic Coil

[Allen Burgess]

Metglas core saturation.

@Gotoluc,

The simplest and most effective testing approach would be to run the A.C. coil output through an A.C. lighting rheostat into the electro-magnetic Metglas core winding to regulate the (hysteresis-saturation) level. This way, the core polarity will oscillate synchronously with the rotor magnet. The core winding would substitute for the resistor load and could be wound to matching Ohmic resistance for maximum AUL. This basic adaptation should help control and extend the acceleration window!

[barbosi]

AUL is not going to be part of the plot

[Allen Burgess]

Okay, we can stop this now, it's gone far enough.
I must admit the reality of AUL effect is not as good as it looked in my video demo, which I purposely did to demonstrate what many are seeing in their tests and as a learning tool for those who play around with this stuff.
I know better not to use a solid steel rod, a bolt, welding rods, or even for that matter transformer laminations. Unless you want to show or demonstrate this effect just to waste power.

Core Hysteresis is what causes AUL and it comes at a cost to the prime mover.

When you use quality cores like Metglas, 90% or more of AUL goes away.
However, the phase shift you saw in the video by sliding the coil further away on the core still remains and I would suggest this is what needs to be further tested (obviously with the right cores) to see if this has any advantages.




I will post a new video demonstrating the reality of AUL when using Metglas core compared to a solid steel core.
Some of you will be surprised of how drastic the change is.

I'm sorry if this has caused some people grief or trouble. My intention is to bring awareness on the subject which has been highly debated over the years.

Stay tuned for the comparison test

Luc

@Gotoluc,

Quote from you:

"Core Hysteresis is what causes AUL and it comes at a cost to the prime mover".

Here's a quick review of some basic fundamentals:

1.- "The permeability of a material changes with the amount of magnetic flux forced through it".

2.- "The specific relationship of force to flux (field intensity H to flux density B) is graphed in a form called the normal magnetization curve".

3.- "It is possible to apply so much magnetic field force to a ferromagnetic material that no more flux can be crammed into it. This condition is known as magnetic saturation".

4.- "When the retentivity of a ferromagnetic substance interferes with its re-magnetization in the opposite direction, a condition known as hysteresis occurs".

You state that 90% of the AUL goes away with the Metglas core. The Metglas B-H curve describes a proportional relationship between saturation and hysteresis; Therefore, it should be possible to control AUL with an electro-magnetic winding around the Metglas core! Increasing saturation of the Metglas core with an electro-magnetic winding should increase hysteresis and help augment AUL.

This would add negative efficiency to the system with a second power supply to the electro-magnetic core winding; However, a self powering loop from the output coil to the core winding controlled by zener and tunnel type diodes would result in a push; Because the power to dampen the core would come from the increased output from the acceleration, right?

The advantage of this control mechanism would come from the ability to bleed saturation away from the core as the additional rotor accelerated saturation appeared; Balancing the (saturation-hysteresis) level would help keep the wave reflected timing on position, and widen the acceleration window! That's the beauty of the tunnel diode!

Looping output from the pickup coil to the electro-magnetic core winding would saturate the metglas core with a synchronous A.C. current. Testing would require a synchronous A.C. input as well, not D.C. as I initially proposed which would fight the diametric rotor magnet with a static core polarity.

[gotoluc]

Okay, we can stop this now, it's gone far enough.
I must admit the reality of AUL effect is not as good as it looked in my video demo, which I purposely did to demonstrate what many are seeing in their tests and as a learning tool for those who play around with this stuff.
I know better not to use a solid steel rod, a bolt, welding rods, or even for that matter transformer laminations. Unless you want to show or demonstrate this effect just to waste power.

Core Hysteresis is what causes AUL and it comes at a cost to the prime mover.

When you use quality cores like Metglas, 90% or more of AUL goes away.
However, the phase shift you saw in the video by sliding the coil further away on the core still remains and I would suggest this is what needs to be further tested (obviously with the right cores) to see if this has any advantages.

I will post a new video demonstrating the reality of AUL when using Metglas core compared to a solid steel core.
Some of you will be surprised of how drastic the change is.

I'm sorry if this has caused some people grief or trouble. My intention is to bring awareness on the subject which has been highly debated over the years.

Stay tuned for the comparison test

Luc

[Bob Smith]

Maybe I'm wrong, but what keeps coming to me is that the primary coil should have a high impedance. This can be done with a core, but as Erfinder says, a core is not needed. A higher gauge wire and high number of turns should do it, I would think; shorting the coil also hugely increases its impedance, does it not?

With a high impedance primary, there should be a larger induced voltage spike from the passing magnet, and an accompanying larger CEMF response.

Any thoughts?
Bob

[Allen Burgess]

Core magnets.

@Gotoluc,

Quote from Luc:

"BTW, I tried a magnet on or around the core but nothing special to report"

I know you have plenty of magnets. Keep stacking them on untill it helps to reposition the coil. Trust me; This may turn out to be important. Try switching the polarity. Simply passing a single magnet "Around the core" ain't gonna cut it!

Mario Savio of the Berkley free speech movement stated: "Use of vulgarity is permissible when it draws attention to a more important issue".

[Dog-One]

We have a bunch of folks here sharing information that benefits ALL of us. So far we have three or four people sharing what they have ACTUALLY done, ...

... Let's keep working, and let's not quit or lose focus. Let's ride pardners!

Here, here Dave!


Make it four or five:

Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY


The work I am focusing on is the raw air-core coil as implemented by Dally, Ruslan, Akula and some others.

There are reasons why some of the contributors here approach this subject using mechanical methods and there are reasons why I do not, primarily simplicity. That's not to say we aren't all on the same farm. There is plenty to learn about helical wraps of wire regardless of how there are manipulated.

If you haven't followed that particular thread over at OU, I won't suggest that you start because it is painful at the very least. The basic premise some theorize can happen is that you can mix current from one source with voltage from another and get real power out in watts. Ten years ago I would have said this is complete horse**** nonsense and there are many still around that continue to think this way. Lots of talk about charge carriers, electron spin, hell you name it, someone has tried to spew it.

Going back to basic coil, I have found numerous things you can do that I certainly was never told to be possible, so I didn't even think to try. Then comes along these Russian demonstrations of devices self-looped powering loads with no obvious source of input. What to do? Try the damn thing and find out, it's the only way to know. Well I did and sank like a rock after several attempts because I had no clue what I was doing. This time is going to be different. I'm starting with the basics and slowly methodically moving forward, testing and probing at every possible angle to find something else I didn't know I could do. Because in the end I will either figure it out or die trying. No gimics, no hype, just scenarios and observations. I've witnessed enough already to know there is a lot more going on with a simple piece of wire than meets the eye. Anymore I have a hard time referring to any form of conductor as a passive component. It's almost as though it has inherent intelligence and it will trick you left and right if you let it.

[Turion]

Thoughts

We have a bunch of folks here sharing information that benefits ALL of us. So far we have three or four people sharing what they have ACTUALLY done, and while they all do NOT agree, the presentation of information, FACTS if you will, cannot possibly be of harm. It is the folks who ain't done POOP (again with the poop, sorry erfinder) who throw up all the roadblocks.

What will KILL this exchange of information is the same thing that always kills these kinds of threads. Either someone's ego gets bruised because someone was too sarcastic or too insulting, or someone comes into the thread to purposely disrupt things and try to short circuit things by causing conflict or leading everyone down the wrong path purposely.

Here's my philosophy on this kind of research. You can tell me I am stupid, fat, ugly, bald and lazy, and that my mother wears army boots. I don't CARE. I HAVE no ego when it comes to this research because it is just too damn important to let ANYTHING stand in the way. We SHOULD be able to disagree. We SHOULD be able to get pissed off and slam the lid of our laptop and walk away. But we should also have the courage to come back to the fight and keep contributing to the forward momentum that has been made so far. If you choose to take your ball and go home because someone here is an assh#@&, it isn't just the person who offended you that suffers, (you MIGHT even make them happy) it is the whole damn planet. Think about that for just a minute, PLEASE!!!!! I haven't posted in a while because I have NOTHING on my bench that is working right now to share, but I will SOON. So until then I am listening and learning.

There are some sharp people contributing here, and while they do NOT agree, and may be approaching this all from DIFFERENT directions, I believe we have a common purpose. DO we not? I mean if we're not here to make things better, why ARE we here? This planet is in a hell of a mess right now, and the solution to free energy MIGHT be within the grasp of the contributors on THIS forum...on THIS thread.

Louis L'Amour used to write in the western novels he wrote that nothing could stop a man who knew he was in the right and kept on coming. So don't let egos get in the way. Don't listen to naysayers and detractors. Ignore the people who aren't sharing ANY experiments they have done themselves and just want to talk. IGNORE the people who do nothing but post YouTube videos. Let's keep working, and let's not quit or lose focus. Let's ride pardners!

Dave

[Allen Burgess]

You should tune it down a bit. Your turning into an a$$hole real quick. People can do their own experiments or ask others to do them but to trying to insult somebody into working for them is just ignorant. Since you haven't contributed anything why don't you pipe down and gather what you can from whats offered. That would be the good thing to do.

A magnet on the back of the rod will most likely just change the position of the coil as it will prevent saturation any deeper into the rod. Its kinda plain to see if you understand what your working with. To much magnetism will either prevent the effect or put the effect out of scope. Its not hard thing to understand.

Matt

@Matthew Jones,

Look; What effect do you think accelerating the rotor magnet has on the level of core saturation? If adding a strong enough magnet to the back of the core would cause us to have to reposition the coil, wouldn't additional rotor acceleration move the "Sweet Spot" and throw the timing off?

Winding a high perm ferrite rod core with a D.C. magnetic coil connected to a potentiometer, and raising the core saturation half way would allow the operator to achieve AUL at CMF, then bleed saturation away from the core to balance the additional saturation from the accelerating rotor thereby extending the acceleration period by maintaining the advanced "Lenz Reversed" timing; Plus, Luc's not trying to get it to work!

[Dog-One]

That was a comment made by Romerouk....and even though I don't know him, of course I have heard of him, I am in agreement with what he said, hence my immediate reply to his post.

I like your idea....its practical! How would you go about realizing it?

Regards

That is not a particularly easy question to properly answer. How about I think on this for a few days and acquire some consultation. I think there is a record that needs to be broken.

[gotoluc]

Dear Luc,

Could you please consider to take your experiments to a separate thread.
I'm sure you and many followers would relish your experimental work.

Turion opened this thread with a candid need to explore for more and I'm sure he realizes now that acceleration under the load was just a trampoline. Many researches are patiently looking forward for unfolding principles and clutter with measurements concerning Faraday vs. Lenz laws are not helping.

Rest assured that if I find interesting your inquiries, I'll be the first to ask questions and defend the neatness of your thread.

Regards.

Sure, if that's what Turion wants

Let's see what he has to say.

You seem to have many opinions about me, my work and what is relevant... I wonder why

Thanks for your opinion anyways

Luc

PS still looking forward to your evidence of me applying or paying for any patents.

[Matthew Jones]

@Matthew Jones,

Maybe you could try adding a magnet to the back of the core rod to see how the higher saturation effects the coil location.

You should tune it down a bit. Your turning into an a$$hole real quick. People can do their own experiments or ask others to do them but to trying to insult somebody into working for them is just ignorant. Since you haven't contributed anything why don't you pipe down and gather what you can from whats offered. That would be the good thing to do.

A magnet on the back of the rod will most likely just change the position of the coil as it will prevent saturation any deeper into the rod. Its kinda plain to see if you understand what your working with. To much magnetism will either prevent the effect or put the effect out of scope. Its not hard thing to understand.

Matt

[barbosi]

Dear Luc,

Could you please consider to take your experiments to a separate thread.
I'm sure you and many followers would relish your experimental work.

Turion opened this thread with a candid need to explore for more and I'm sure he realizes now that acceleration under the load was just a trampoline. Many researches are patiently looking forward for unfolding principles and clutter with measurements concerning Faraday vs. Lenz laws are not helping.

Rest assured that if I find interesting your inquiries, I'll be the first to ask questions and defend the neatness of your thread.

Regards.

[gotoluc]

@Erfinder,

I agree with you, Luc's a condescending snob who acts like a "Stuck in a Rut" Nazi.

LOL sychro, that's the best one I've heard in a while

BTW, I tried a magnet on or around the core but nothing special to report.

Regards

Luc

[Allen Burgess]

Gotoluc.

I have no idea what you want. Which hard work do you reference?

So folks like myself who don't prioritize "proper measurement" aren't working....curious..



The funny thing is you honestly think that the scope is going to show you something.....




yes.....



Yes I have....twice...

Quote from you on OU

"This effect is far from being new as I found out from user Erfinder that The Great Nikola Tesla had developed this in 1894 and was granted a patent (see attached)."

End OU qoute.

Now the second video is a practical application the concept, far removed from what you find in the patent, far from my demo, JLN's demo, and yours. Now if you are aware of whats going on there....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ovlURyj8T4



You aren't paying attention.....


Regards

@Erfinder,

I agree with you, Luc's a condescending snob who acts like a "Stuck in a Rut" Nazi.