ENLIGHTENED MAGNETISM (The Full Proof of Ken Wheeler's Theories)

[Markoul]

out of all the "Aether" Theories out there why do you think the current "Science" hasn't been replaced yet? even though its easier to understand even without mathematical proof...

...this is a big topic and not suitable for this thread here... the reasons are totally different from the ones you may think, and have nothing to do with the theories itself

[ricards]

Right... and I came here to this thread interested of new info and empirical data by the thread creator Ufopolitcs confirming Ken Weeler's theory of magnetism and to exchange some information and empirical data with Ufopolitcs and others that essentially agree and further support and improve ken's Theory

AND NOT TO WASTE MY TIME IN AN POINTLESS DEBATE SPIRAL WITH KEN WHEELER'S DENIERS!

THESE PEOPLE POSTS HAVE THE SAME RELEVANCE WITH THIS THREAD AS MY QUESTION ABOVE ABOUT ISRAEL...

Why you don't just leave this THREAD HERE and start your own thread something like "DISPROVING KEN WHEELER'S THEORY OF MAGNETISM"

Frankly your attitude does not comply with your cold member status here in this forum.

In science if you disagree with someone you make your points clear in 2 or 3 replies then you agree that you disagree and that's all really.

There are more than 50 replies here from the same persons coming back and back and back with the same BS every time. Ufopolitics since he is a real gentelman replies always with extraordinary patience and real empirical prove in the most expert way. However, this is very time consuming for him I believe, and pointless since I start to believe that these people have A CONFLICT OF INTEREST with Ufopolitcs and Ken's theory and therefore keep trolling at best.

my 2cents

EM

I don't believe discussion has to always be in agreement.
an arguments is also considered a discussion.
we appreciate UFO being active and make sound arguments to defend what he believe, what he sees in his experiments and how he perceive things.
and so do we.
there is no rule that states that you shouldn't post if you disagree.

yes you are right, we can always agree to disagree.
but what is the purpose of a "Forum" if not for "discussion"?
is this some sort of online diary?.. create an "Anti Ken Wheeler Theory??"..

If someone tells you "YOUR WRONG" and you got angry.. you have an EGO PROBLEM..

It is really upto the individual how he will take everything that has been discussed so far.
to me, ken & UFO might have been depicting the real thing.. (excluding you since you only believe in the double hemisphere and not the outside furthest flux).. but the failure to explain how the Iron filings show what it shows and to completely abolish the experiment making it sound like The Iron filings is lying on the depicted magnetic field is the flaw and the "thing" that make the whole theory sound like a fantasy..

we (the people) should be the only one arguing and not the experiments themselves.. since they don't make the theories and are non-living things.. they just show what is real... it shouldn't be like experiment 1 vs experiment 2..

out of all the "Aether" Theories out there why do you think the current "Science" hasn't been replaced yet? even though its easier to understand even without mathematical proof...
simple!. because of the kind of attitude people who promote the "new Magnetism" are showing..
they RIDICULE someone else's experiments and studies..

If this thread really is the "Enlightened Magnetism" it should be able to explain ALL the experiments related to "Magnetism", and not just pick one that is convenient.

[Markoul]

keep on topics
Hi everyone,


Let's please keep this thread ON TOPIC.

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Right... and I came here to this thread interested of new info and empirical data by the thread creator Ufopolitcs confirming Ken Weeler's theory of magnetism and to exchange some information and empirical data with Ufopolitcs and others that essentially agree and further support and improve ken's Theory

AND NOT TO WASTE MY TIME IN AN POINTLESS DEBATE SPIRAL WITH KEN WHEELER'S DENIERS!

THESE PEOPLE POSTS HAVE THE SAME RELEVANCE WITH THIS THREAD AS MY QUESTION ABOVE ABOUT ISRAEL...

Why you don't just leave this THREAD HERE and start your own thread something like "DISPROVING KEN WHEELER'S THEORY OF MAGNETISM"

Frankly your attitude does not comply with your cold member status here in this forum.

In science if you disagree with someone you make your points clear in 2 or 3 replies then you agree that you disagree and that's all really.

There are more than 50 replies here from the same persons coming back and back and back with the same BS every time. Ufopolitics since he is a real gentelman replies always with extraordinary patience and real empirical prove in the most expert way. However, this is very time consuming for him I believe, and pointless since I start to believe that these people have A CONFLICT OF INTEREST with Ufopolitcs and Ken's theory and therefore keep trolling at best.

my 2cents

EM

[admin]

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[Markoul]

bistander,

What is your opinion about ISRAEL?...

[bistander]

Bloch

...

If I understand you propose that the conical shape has no twist.

https://youtu.be/rjnALkkUlNY

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Nothing of the kind. I'm not going into quantum mechanics where you find Bloch points. Just trying to make the point that the term "Bloch wall" was already taken, meaning a particular structure that exists between magnetic domains on the microscopic scale, so never should have been used to name the imaginary region in the middle of a bar magnet by Rawls & Davis. That simple.

Regards,

bi

[mikrovolt]

Thanks bistander for mentioning the 1936 Rawls, Davis
Accomplished much more than is published, did great things.
Humbling yourself would be a benefit in this case.

If I understand you propose that the conical shape has no twist.

https://youtu.be/rjnALkkUlNY

From a historical from 1936 perspective we can see the influence had on magnetic theory.
While flaws exist, we now use a longer magnet to make clear both the toroids not hidden
it is important to consider the shape with the poles along length of the magnet. 5:1 ratio vs 1:1
It seems counter intuitive however by not using right shape the details of the field are obscure or hidden.

http://www.rexresearch.com/davisrawls/MagnEffectsLivingSystem.pdf

[bistander]

Magnetic domains

Over the course of research into literature on magnetism I came across this interesting geology. It's quite long, and dry, so I snipped and pasted a bit about domains and Bloch wall. The source is listed so you can find the context and bibliography. There are also some microphotographs, empirical data and analysis.

Enjoy.

Fig. A3.
(a) SD and MD configurations serve to minimize the external demagnetizing field. (b) Movement of the Bloch wall in MD grains gives rise to a magnetization when an external field is applied. (c) Inverse susceptibility anisotropy of a SD grain.
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(a) SD and MD configurations serve to minimize the external demagnetizing field. (b) Movement of the Bloch wall in MD grains gives rise to a magnetization when an external field is applied. (c) Inverse susceptibility anisotropy of a SD grain.

From: https://academic.oup.com/petrology/a...6/1187/1490561.

For those interested in the real Bloch wall, the link below will reference a thesis that covers the subject very well. A free download is easy to find.
Roberts, H. G., 2008. Magnetism and transport in nanostructured domain wall systems. Thesis (Doctor of Philosophy (PhD)). University of Bath.
Magnetism and transport in nanostructured domain wall systems - Opus

Regards,

bi

[bistander]

Bad science

That's right...that one...the one you called "bad science"...Rawls & Davis book.

Here is an example what these authors promote which I call bad science. Found in chapter three:



Then they end chapter with what I find disgusting:

We are closing chapter three with the discussion and drawings presented only to better explain magnetism, the rate of flow direction, the two poles, the division of the two poles, and the potential force as to the electronic charge potential of each pole. This allows a reference to scientists who may not have continued into the physics of electrodynamics. Students and instructors should attempt to upgrade and correct any older text materials that differ from today's concepts and understandings of the basic of magnetism as presented herein.

All because they observed a bubble drifting on a microscope slide between magnets in 1936. From what I call tell, this bad science was the beginning of the misuse of "Bloch wall" and spinning static magnetic fields. The origin of fantasy magnetism.

As long as I have started and have the Rawls & Davis diagram shown (attch#1), I'll explain some of what's wrong with it. When you do a Google image search for Bloch magnetic domain wall, you see hundreds of hits most looking like attachment #2.



From: Domain Wall Magnetoresistance

Now compare the two diagrams. The primary discrepancy is the labeling of the N & S surfaces. The arrows represent particle or crystal dipoles and point to the N end of the dipole. So the surface of the domain to which the arrows (dipoles) point will be the N side (pole) of the domain which is the top left as shown in attch#2. Similarly, the bottom right will be that domain's N making the upper right surface S as indicated in attch#2.

Notice in attch#1 that Rawls & Davis apparently misread such a diagram and labeled the end surfaces N and S. This makes a huge difference. They continue bad science assuming they're looking at a diagram of a magnet of handheld size when the domains, of which there are two shown, are but a small fraction of a millimeter in size. And then their third piece of bad science is to assign spin to the magnetism. I won't even touch their ridiculous broken figure 8. The whole deal stinks.

Regards,

bi

[ricards]

To UFO,

If only you had read more carefully.. set aside the emotions..

watch this "crazy" experiment.. they might just be "Playing around" with magnets.. but you can really surely visualize magnetic lines of forces.. like that of the Iron filings..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8cCvAITGWM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vdkac3wJ9Aw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oevYHizoxLg

in these videos clearly no double hemisphere is being formed in case of viscous magnetic material.
no vortex at the poles, just some portion of the fluid pointing outwards indicating the lines of force have been concentrated there, and they are not even bent to form that 3D-Torsion shape you are claiming..

and visually observe "MAGNETIC ATTRACTION" IN WHICH KEN'S BOOK CONVENIENTLY ELIMINATES AS IT WILL DESTROY THE MODEL IN WHICH YOU ALL TRY TO PROMOTE. (sorry for the caps need to highlight that).

you might be seeing new geometries being formed by those 3 experiments you have cited.. but in our eyes we only see magnetic material being attracted and charge particles being deflected forming new geometries.

the whole point is.. you don't overthrow an experiment for another one.
you may have sufficient evidence to clearly depict the "New Magnetic Field" but you don't have enough evidence to prove the "Old Magnetic Field" is wrong.. (get it?)..

you are already been given the benefit of the doubt when people asked you how you perceived what you did and how did you came to such conclusion..
otherwise we would have just ignored you and treated you like some flat earth theorist who wants to make the whole world fall at the edge of the planet into the abyss of the cosmos when it gets off balanced...

beside the claims of the theories is OUTRAGEOUS as well.. claiming to have explained gravity, aether, electricity, counterspace, even how galaxies work.. with what...? just by "Magnetism"..
you would really be confronted with OUTRAGEOUS demands of PROOF...

maybe you and ken is right.. maybe you and ken is wrong.. its just the two..
The theory is on the hot seat..

[Ufopolitics]

Thanks Ufo,

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EPlyiW-xGI[/VIDEO]

I enjoyed this video. Very well done. From five and a half years ago. 2 questions. Did the patent issue so we can see how the bowls are made? And what happened to the relatively inexpensive electric generator using the technology which had been developed?

Regards,

bi

Edit: found it. Patent issued 1/28/2014

Did You really liked the Video above Bistander?

Even though LaPoint clearly shows on that Video the "Two Hemispheres" Geometry?...

First on 3D CAD (wire frame), Red and Blue ...but then He shows it on his Plasma Experiment...

Then He goes into the way Galaxies and Nebulas are formed, or exposed...also the two bubbles...

And it all reminded me about Ken's Book...

Didn't you also thought about it, even for a single minute?


Have a good night Bistander...I will sleep wonderfully...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

UFO,

If only you had taken a look at what I was referring you in my first post in this thread.. (joseph Newman model of magnetism).. you would realize I'm not against your "Rotation-Spin" or gyroscopic action as I call it in my language.

The thing about the theory that I'm against is the vortex in the poles and that "double hemisphere" as markoul is referring to... there is not enough evidence to support this claim as a matter of fact "Magnetic Attraction" clearly destroys this model (vortex), in which ken's book conveniently Eliminates..
and explains as "Voidance" in an analogy he refers to it being dragged towards the "Dielectric Inertial Plain"...
so It appears as if a Stream of "Aether" is moving towards counterspace "Centripetally" is causing objects to be attracted.. towards the magnet this is his explanation of "Magnetic Attraction"...
but as there is a "Centripetal" Flow of "Aether" TOWARDS counterspace there is also a "Centrifugal" Flow of "Aether" FROM counterspace.. if something springs in and something springs out.. forces SHOULD cancel out.. but NO.. there is still the thing called "Magnetic Attraction"..

another thing... Incidentally our planet has a large magnetic field.. applying ken's theory suggest that "Gravity" is caused by "Aether" flow towards counterspace (ok seems good) and gravitational force is the effect we feel being dragged by the "Aether" streams towards counterspace (okay understandable)..

now since people here is trying to apply "Magnetism" as a universal thing as ken suggest as "dielectric flow", "Aether Flow" or whatever term is it, I'd like to challenge the theory in which "The Model" was built..

If there is really an "Aether" Flow centripetally towards counter space in the bloch region of a magnet.. you should be able to "Bend" the light passing there WITHOUT using Magnetic Medium AT ALL to show deflection.. since "Aether" is the theoretical medium for "Light" in which its true name is formed "Luminiferous Aether" or "Light-Bearing-Aether"..

a vertical Interferometer has already proven that light is interfered by "Gravity" (Aether Flow Towards the center of earth),
if your not familiar with it see this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH-NC8rvGvU)

Not enough evidence to prove the Two Hemispheres on the Magnetic Fields?!!

Really?

WHAT ABOUT THREE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES WHICH, ALL THREE REVEAL EXACTLY THE SAME, IDENTICAL TWO HEMISPHERES ON THE MAGNETIC FIELD?

1- COLOR CRT.

2-MAGNETIC VIEWING FILM.

3-FERROCELLS

Now tell me, besides the Iron Filings Method...could you please cite at least JUST ONE SINGLE TECHNOLOGY which reveals the same geometry as the Iron Filings does?!!

Do You need more "empirical evidence" than all these three methods, which happen to be completely different in nature and technology?

All Three Methods are Graphically and Clearly exposed with the same exact magnet on my video below:

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v5YsV_M5hc[/VIDEO]

I was thinking maybe you just didn't get my question..
as you focus more on the "Geometric" Side of magnetism and pay less attention to the more important side of the theory..
If this cannot be proven.. the entire "Model" in which you all promote would shaken.. or even collapse..
then we will be back to the Magnetic Field of the Iron Filings..

I focus on ALL SIDES Ricards...not only "Geometry" as you wrote above!!

What about ALL experiments showing and confirming such claims, that I have done here back and forth?

Not enough?...need more?

Outrageous!!...There are only ONE SINGLE MODEL, based on the Iron Filings...
Ken Wheeler's Book shows ALL THREE I have cited above...and you all still need more proof?

Really?

All this work don't even deserve "the benefit of the doubt"?

Instead I get attacked here...back and forth...it is really unbelievable!!!

Unfortunately, there is quite a while Ken Wheeler does not come around here...but I don't blame him...He will also be attacked...


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Why these ATTACKS ?!

This is where I agree with Bistander. As a Christian I react adversely to the extreme view. That is why we test. In absolute terms by this enlightened condemnation of iron filings unreasonable rejection of the historicity and map constructing magnetic lines of force never interfered with learning ferro viewing therefore the overly strong assertion is totalitarian method of science.

Hello Mikrovolt.

Why ALL these attacks ON MY THREAD all of the sudden?

But let me say this...There is something called HUMAN RIGHTS...are you somehow FAMILIAR with this term?

Well, if you are not, (and even if you are I'll still recall it) ...there is one of the main RIGHTS which is called:

The Right to the FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

And so, maybe if you have ever read about it...it is the main RULE OF EVERY DEMOCRATIC NATION OR SOCIETY in this World.

And that includes United States of America.

I reacted as strongly to same methods of anti-Christian theory called
"Punctuated Equilibrium" It is like adding sewage into clean water. All bundled and mingled with neutral theory.
It is unprofessional and an assault on Christian beliefs. Eliciting a response to polarize and target
those who give credit to the God of the bible rather than philosophers. An attack on liberty. Convert or die mentality.

Patterns and Cycles

What is fair and reasonable is to stop extremist indoctrination, methods controling the narrative
using absolute terms and twisting statements. This is why students are forced to learn Darwin and why our children are forced to learn garbage forced totalitarian beliefs. This effort in trying to run the show uses certain mindsets that are black and white extremist, a most unpleasant experience.
The energetic forum progress does not depend on extremist opinions. What did the moderator do about it ? why does it continue ?

..You are so funny...

You say you are a Christian right?, "supposedly" a follower of Jesus Christ, one who preaches and acts accordingly to the way the Son of God acted during all his stages on this Earth...

First you are condemning anyone who expresses themselves freely, under the Human Rights of Freedom of Speech...

You are calling me a "Totalitarian"...an "Extremist"...and an "Attack on Liberty"...hahahahahahahaha

That is why I tested that issue here. The truth is being stolen from rightful persons who worked hard to make progress with magnets.
Consider why there is such an unreasonable attack on iron filings as if we are stupid. When point is made how iron filings were used
their reply is twisted changing the subject from the specific use to how Iron filings do not depict accuracy, drawing out argument. Markoul decided to
bring disharmony here with an attack on (grandpa) Michael Faraday and others bringing his University needlessly being critical of Faraday.
Making a precedent of ferro-viewing accuracy at the expense by twisting Iron filings role. A cheap shot attack.

This is outrageous...Mikrovolt...I can not believe what I am reading above...

Stop thinking we are stupid, in need of Darwin type enlightenment. Occult revelation repeating others work in a condensed ramble
and overlooking all those who deserve the recognition for discovery. Why are there are so many fake papers in hyperspace ? Who is responsible ?
Publishing fake academic papers using dishonest means. Be careful they will continue to spew sewage on Internet as anarchist.
Patterns and Cycles

Just as reprehensible are those who seek recognition for their own glory.
Attention seekers out of balance that are outraged over nothing, cannot get perspective on the scope of their delusion.
They cause problems and damage innocent persons who find it disturbing unpleasant drama. There is a rational place for Iron filings.

Now you are calling me or "Us" (I assume Ken, Markoul, and all other members who are on our side here)...

Anarchists?

Delusional?

"Damaging Innocent Persons"?

OMG...I am gonna cry...

Let me ask you...what did you take today?...what kind of such Heavy Intoxicating Chemicals did you consume tonight Mikrovolt?

One last thing here Mikrovolt...and look at my tone gain...so re read me again...am being VERY POLITE..

Please DELETE ALL RELIGION RELATED SUBJECT...AND SO, DO NOT BRING IT ON THIS THREAD, ANYMORE.

PLEASE, RE-READ "MEMBERS RULES" ON THIS FORUM.

And avoid to be Banned from here.


Ufopolitics

[mikrovolt]

Darwinism and Occult philosophy

This is where I agree with Bistander. As a Christian I react adversely to the extreme view. That is why we test. In absolute terms by this enlightened condemnation of iron filings unreasonable rejection of the historicity and map constructing magnetic lines of force never interfered with learning ferro viewing therefore the overly strong assertion is totalitarian method of science.

I reacted as strongly to same methods of anti-Christian theory called
"Punctuated Equilibrium" It is like adding sewage into clean water. All bundled and mingled with neutral theory.
It is unprofessional and an assault on Christian beliefs. Eliciting a response to polarize and target those who give credit to the God of the bible rather than philosophers. Should not be part of this discussion, make your point without attacking conventional science which is making enemies here.

Patterns and Cycles

What is fair and reasonable is to stop extremist indoctrination, methods controling the narrative
using absolute terms and twisting statements. This is why students are forced to learn Darwin and why our children are forced to learn garbage forced totalitarian beliefs. This effort in trying to run the show uses certain mindsets that are black and white extremist, a most unpleasant experience.
The energetic forum progress does not depend on extremist opinions. What did the moderator do about it ? why does it continue ?

That is why I tested that issue here. The truth is being stolen from rightful persons who worked hard to make progress with magnets. FerroCell USA patent why point to someone's protected work.
Consider why there is such an unreasonable attack on iron filings as if we are stupid. When point is made how iron filings were used
their reply is twisted changing the subject from the specific use to how Iron filings do not depict accuracy, drawing out argument. Markoul decided to
bring disharmony here with an attack on (grandpa) Michael Faraday and others bringing his University needlessly being critical of Faraday.
Making a precedent of ferro-viewing accuracy at the expense by twisting Iron filings role. A cheap shot attack.

Stop thinking we are stupid, in need of Darwin type enlightenment. Occult revelation repeating others work in a condensed ramble
and overlooking all those who deserve the recognition for discovery. Why are there are so many fake papers in hyperspace ? Who is responsible ?
Publishing fake academic papers using dishonest means. Be careful they will continue to spew sewage on Internet as anarchist.
Patterns and Cycles

Just as reprehensible are those who seek recognition for their own glory.
Attention seekers out of balance that are outraged over nothing, cannot get perspective on the scope of their delusion.
They cause problems and damage innocent persons who find it disturbing unpleasant drama. There is a rational place for Iron filings.

[bistander]

Point proof

...
Then it becomes a pretty hard job...to make anyone more "enlightened"...when they actually don't see the point right?...

Learning, knowing, truth; I do see the point. Just see no proof. But still, I look.

bi