Single Wire Power - A Search for Ambient Power to do Wwork

[Duncan]

Hi David ,yes many,Thanks for your interest . I'm usually to be found building or tinkering with something suggested on this forum over the years.. or perhaps from one of the conferences. (family,money and time permitting of course) Its a fascinating subject and as Bob points out there's huge grey and fudged area's in the official version of things. Although of course the forum consists of all ages and types and building things is a small part of the interest, for instance I was not surprised to learn at the Spokane conference that one of the forum members is a blind retired professor. BTW I'm very indebted to the academics who post here and care not what they build (or don't). I have learnt much from them and on occasion they have gently stopped me barking up the wrong tree.
I can't say I've tried the hairpin specifically although I've had plenty of fun with a Tesla coils.
Tesla coils aside, building well tried and tested things that have been repeated many times isn't really my goal unless part of something else.
My Interest is probing those fudged mystery area's whilst trying to work out how to engineer the effect you refer to as 'radiant energy' Over the years because of this forum I have witnessed radiant energy many times (as many seem to have at some point) .. even the simple antenna system I show above above has now charged a small cell phone battery.
I wish to know more about the effect by building and experimenting .. That is to be more specific David .. spending my money and investing my time to build things I wish to, as opposed to building things others suggest I should. Still interesting effects I find, I report and share. That's what forum's are for isn't it?
like all experiments my series starts with a hypothesis which is pretty much spelled out here for comment. At the moment I am building simple equipment to heterodyne a lead acid battery to test part of theory. Of course I don't know if it will eventually work (or not) or else I would not have to build the thing!
My bumbling efforts and considerations aside David if you have built another stable, tried, tested, and more importantly 'dependable' system that's a vast improvement on the antenna single wire system I've started with 'pray do tell' It could well save weeks and weeks of what might be pointless effort. If the hairpin circuit is part of that theory you can bet your bottom dollar I'll build it then!
In the mean time I've posted the hypothesis I'm trying to test for consideration. so I'll continue having fun building ,tinkering, testing,learning and experimenting with this simplest of all single wire systems that is gathering 'ambient power'
Kind regards Duncan

[DavidE]

Duncan

Have you ever built a circuit to experiment with Radiant/Ambient energy?

The obvious circuit (hairpin) has been mentioned many times on this thread, but there are simpler methods to achieve the same results.

[Duncan]

"We ourselves are part of the dielectric."
-Duncan

I guess it has some unfortunate results too David like the many cases of spontaneous combustion perhaps?
This single wire experience of Lester particularly stands out http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...nt-energy.html ... back to the shed time anyway. hypothesis is OK but it doesn't turn any wheels. I hope you guys have some idea's to offer to help prove or disprove this wild brain storming the individual parts seem to work out but does the whole? like you guys I can but try and its great to have somewhere bounce the thoughts at my peers anyway

[DavidE]

"We ourselves are part of the dielectric."
-Duncan

[Duncan]

This theory seems to hold together .. consider

Thanks for the kind words and nice video mikrovolt .. Let me muse on your thinking if I may gentlemen . Perhaps one of the most convincing demonstrations of COP>1 I watched involved David Bowlings 3BGS it was simply indisputable . (and very frustrating) at one stage during the experiments grounding wires were connected to the 'bad' battery the result was so much magnetic current (AKA reactive current) that the internal battery connections were melted!
For that reason alone I suggest a hard look at this natural phenomena its connection to the e'lectric we know and how it might connect with our single wire ambitions.
'Reactive power' seems an odd term doesn't it? 'power' especially, as the classic text books tell us power is the very component that's missing! .. the ability to do work of any sort.
Vintage text books do not use the term 'reactive current' Their concern was with the grid and the inductive effect caused on a three phase four wire system , (although If I recall correctly Tesla's initial system was designed four phase) This Inductive effect was obviously caused by magnetics and so they referred to this current as Magnetic current (Its opposite then would be capacitive current.)
The term Magnetic current was dropped from the books and the curriculum very quickly revised after one Edward Leedskalnin wrote a pamphlet of gibberish on the subject. The problem being a lot of it, wasn't gibberish to a lot of people!
The electric grid systems of the world tend to have their neutral tied to the ground, Its the ground and Its currents both David and I are considering.
As a chicken and egg thing there is no doubt natural magnetic current flowing in thousands of amps though and around the world was there millions of years before any grid,
Moray would not have had to take me hundreds of miles from power stations in a deep valley somewhere to convince me of it!
So we think of this topic as 'single wire' not quite true is it? Surly like a giant capacitor the ground is one plate our immediate surroundings and indeed we ourselves are part of the dielectric the other plate being the external universe. Bob you note quite rightly that pages have been written on reactive power , very true but few have taken the time to consider that there are two resonant components , two types of reactive power and hence very well might be two very distinct types of electricity after all there is a gulf of difference between a battery that is 'charged' and one that is 'rejuvenated' even the plates of the battery are a different colour and given the right conditions the energy can be instant .
David noted that the ground had a gradient I agree but prefer personally to view it as 'steps'
These 'Steps' or 'gradient' are I think the missing arm of electricity which we want to study they can be detected (mathematically at least) In the collapse of AC power or when driving a crystal structure .
Not to be confused with the musical term 'overtone' electrically and its frequency structure goes on ad'infinitum
like an endless street with even numbers on one side (harmonics) and odd numbers on the other (overtones) It is parallel resonance , harmonics , volts,amps and the EM wave we are taught about and the other arm of the equation series resonance and overtones we know next to nothing about.
In recent years hundreds of computers and IT machines have arrived to challenge the grid each has a switched mode PSU which is little more than a commercial SSG as a result magnetic current has taken a back seat in some areas and its 'capacitive' current that's challenging the system . The utilities of course almost exclusively bond neutral to ground and this is where these huge .. reactive,radiant,magnetic,telluric currents flow .
It is my suspicion that series resonance attracts these huge currents that in recent years have forced a huge increase in the neutral/ ground cables . Strange we want to use this beautiful stuff whilst its a nightmare to the power utilities. They have made up a new word to try and explain the arrival and construct of this new energy 'Triplens '

http://www.transcat.com/media/pdf/PowerHarmonics.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-wzLhzBH3Y

kind regards Duncan

[mikrovolt]

In 1997 we were happy to desulphate a battery with a pulse charger.
But you had to be very patient with cold electricity. conditioning and so forth.
There is something worthy to be said about PERSEVERANCE in trial and error.

Today we can start a little higher on the learning curve.
Someone trying to learn does'nt need too much nonsense.
Being straight forward is better approach, this being better than I can do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlirYRhYvfM

[DavidE]

Duncan,

Excellent post.

As we begin to understand that ground has an infinite gradient of values, let us consider "resonance" in the same way. Certainly there may be a peak value, but then there are the steps up to this value, and the steps away from this value.

[Bob Smith]

Hello Duncan
Indeed, questions continue to arise - perhaps as a testimony to the lack of answers that textbooks provide when curious effects manifest themselves with resonant circuits.

Reactive power... God knows there've been pages and pages of arguing back and forth about what constitutes RP, as soon as anyone raises the possibility of it being linked to a circuit fostering an output greater than input. Notice I used the word "fostering" to imply that such a circuit might be operating at underunity, but drawing in energy from a source outside itself.

Yes, you and Bedini and DavidE noted how conventional DMMs or scopes are pretty much useless for measuring this reactive power. David mentioned his DMM going off the scale; I've seen the same with a twelve volt battery measuring hundreds of volts and then blinking out.

Something is going on that is causing a tremendous influx of not-easily-measured charge into these circuits.

Is Bedini's "reactive power" actually the ambient/aether's push-back (reaction) to the resonant oscillating system?
Bob

[Duncan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAAB0dbc3Es
what's evidence that resonance and specifically 'series resonance' is key ? The very concept of resonance is synonymous with 'reactive power' of course as there are two resonances so there obviously two sorts of reactive power (harmonic or overtone ?) that can be projected at a battery (for example) Here is what John Bedini has to say after rejuvenating thousands of lead acid batteries over many years of research and study

(John puts that in print here for your interest)
John Bedini: Reactive Power is the clue to Monopole, Hendershot, Moray.. | MERLib.org Who's going to rewrite the books?Simplest Charger/desulfator Ever
Quite simply It does what it says but is not COP >1 (so your not interested right ?) Let me qualify that a bit the charging curve is not linear and to my understanding at a fixed frequency there isn't simply one series resonant point but rather like ringing a ball . A fundamental and many overtones in what is a changing situation anyway . Regard the graph JLN draws here (from what is effectively a capacitive charger)
Scalar Battery CHarger Test
in that light Bob .. the peaks are then resonant points and certainly COP>1 in fact you'll see at one stage the motor is running on zero volts! BTW I lashed that circuit together too in order to validate.

David asked for specifics sorry David 'no can do' because I'm just experimenting and having fun but back to the single wire concept I revised the antenna system and threw this set up by Jes Ascanies to try









I'm happy to report it does work . Although as expected quite feeble .. after all there's no attempt at tuning to a resonant state is there ?
I have two flyback transformers and my inclination is to wire them anti phase and pulse the antenna and ground (after some component changes of course) looking for square wave resonance as shown previous. with a 1000 volt test my antenna is showing considerable leakage to ground I need to improve the antenna and so I am also mulling over this electret antenna system as a 'suck and see'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIhIPH4nPHo

although a heap of melted crap in the microwave wouldn't be appreciated much by certain parties !
More questions than answers! great subject Bob

[mikrovolt]

Thanks David,
I think we can identify some principles to help us along:
Principle No. 1: Resonance is Key,
As you say, the magic really happens when the circuit is at resonance within that "radiant/ambient operating range."
The LED test method has worked for me. As per your description, the LED lights up at any point on the circuit when it's in resonance and in the "radiant/ambient operating range."

So what happens at resonance?
Under non-resonant conditions, the Tansverse EM and Longitudinal EM are coupled in a conductor (wire) carrying an electrical charge. The accompanying magnetic and dielectric components of electrical charge are also coupled.
At resonance, the magnetic-amperage-transverse EM and dielectric-voltage-longitudinal EM components of electrical charge are separated. Or more simply:
at resonance, magnetism and dielectricity become separated.

At the right resonant frequency range, ambient dielectricity rushes in to restore balance to the resonant system's oscillating imbalance of charge. In effect, the only power the system needs to keep itself going (in small setups) is whatever is required to keep the resonant oscillation going. As ambient (dielectric) charge begins pouring in from the aether, we have a new source of power which can be harnessed for work purposes.


Bob

Thanks for the nice summary Bob.

The translation and transmission of L-wave looking at a basic type.
These devices terminating with an inductor that normally emit an induced electromagnetic field are modified to eliminate magnetic flux. The removal so that a magnetic field will not form beyond the inductor which is the result of a system of wave cancellation.

As resonance peaks the induction drops and this is a factor. In an interference arrangement the coil can have a small magnetic field that builds up. this appears briefly at the end of a coil but has no where to go. This remaining magnetic field encounters a reflected wave that is 180 degrees out of phase usually enough. Cancel being a key factor. The propagation out of the coil has little magnetic content is a complex harmonic resonant electric shockwave. The tuning can be very abrupt and sharp not easy to adjust.

The magnetic recovery and or recycling of magnetic energy presents a question in the cost effectiveness and what some are claiming is being captured in the white capacitors.

A reciever and early scalar detectors
The bifilar coil has been popular as a receiving element of a scalar detector. These use two parallel wires of equal length, ferrite core adding benefit. This means that there is equal capacitance and equal length lends itself to resonance. The factor here being the close proximity of parallel wire as capacitance along the way. As a detector we are trying to promote magnetic current traveling in the opposite direction and an opposite spin.

[Bob Smith]

Bob Smith
Hmmm. Technically if switching frequency and state of resonance is appropriate, it is possible. In these small oscillators - for the most part I believe that they are powered by DC then produce pulsed DC at much higher voltages (potential). The entrance of Radiant/Ambient can then be detected, but its a very subtle force.

The emergence of Radiant/Ambient can be easily detected using a single LED. Hold one end between your fingers, then touch the other lead anywhere on the circuit. If Radiant/Ambient is present, the LED will light. But... change the circuit in anyway, add or take away and you will find that may change the frequency into a non-Radiant/Ambient operation range. Once you get in the range you will experience that just touching the circuit anywhere, you will be able to note more or less output. Also if you get real happy and test for this energy with your meter - it usually goes off the 1000v scale, so aside from it going off scale, its pretty useless.

Why I mention this Radiant/Ambient test... is if that form of energy is active, the circuit acts almost identical to that of the hairpin - but at far lower power levels. I have seen these Radiant/Ambient effects starting at about 8v-30v. Once you get to the Radiant/Ambient stage, wireless coupling then becomes available.

Sorry for the long answer to the short question.

Thanks David,
I think we can identify some principles to help us along:
Principle No. 1: Resonance is Key,
As you say, the magic really happens when the circuit is at resonance within that "radiant/ambient operating range."
The LED test method has worked for me. As per your description, the LED lights up at any point on the circuit when it's in resonance and in the "radiant/ambient operating range."

So what happens at resonance?
Under non-resonant conditions, the Tansverse EM and Longitudinal EM are coupled in a conductor (wire) carrying an electrical charge. The accompanying magnetic and dielectric components of electrical charge are also coupled.
At resonance, the magnetic-amperage-transverse EM and dielectric-voltage-longitudinal EM components of electrical charge are separated. Or more simply:
at resonance, magnetism and dielectricity become separated.

At the right resonant frequency range, ambient dielectricity rushes in to restore balance to the resonant system's oscillating imbalance of charge. In effect, the only power the system needs to keep itself going (in small setups) is whatever is required to keep the resonant oscillation going. As ambient (dielectric) charge begins pouring in from the aether, we have a new source of power which can be harnessed for work purposes.


Bob

[mikrovolt]

Wworking demonstrating of some torque or significant battery charging

A spinning copper disk could do some work. It appears to be a one wire goes
into electromagnet but not typical homopolar motor with brushes.
There must be resonance to get this to work one wire.
Unusual to see large iron core with long wire to run HF.

The discription is found here:
High Frequency - The Institution Of Electrical Engineers - London

[DavidE]

Bob Smith

You said:

I wonder if Jeanna's use of the JT in place of a spark gap is proof of concept for your statement above (re. replacing spark gap with switching transistor) for scaled down version of hairpin setup:

Hmmm. Technically if switching frequency and state of resonance is appropriate, it is possible. In these small oscillators - for the most part I believe that they are powered by DC then produce pulsed DC at much higher voltages (potential). The entrance of Radiant/Ambient can then be detected, but its a very subtle force.

The emergence of Radiant/Ambient can be easily detected using a single LED. Hold one end between your fingers, then touch the other lead anywhere on the circuit. If Radiant/Ambient is present, the LED will light. But... change the circuit in anyway, add or take away and you will find that may change the frequency into a non-Radiant/Ambient operation range. Once you get in the range you will experience that just touching the circuit anywhere, you will be able to note more or less output. Also if you get real happy and test for this energy with your meter - it usually goes off the 1000v scale, so aside from it going off scale, its pretty useless.

Why I mention this Radiant/Ambient test... is if that form of energy is active, the circuit acts almost identical to that of the hairpin - but at far lower power levels. I have seen these Radiant/Ambient effects starting at about 8v-30v. Once you get to the Radiant/Ambient stage, wireless coupling then becomes available.

Sorry for the long answer to the short question.

[Ernst]

... Jeanna's use of the JT in place of a spark gap ...

Find the one million differences with Tesla's hairpin circuit.
Or the one thousand differences with a tv-set, or the 1200 differences with a motorcycle, or the one difference with a ton of BS.

Funny that she notices that her circuit does not behave as Tesla described. I wonder why?



Ernst.

[mikrovolt]

In this video of conventional spark gap, spice simulation and oscilloscope method.

The spice current spike shown in red should be possible to see on a scope
using a current probe. The current waveform also. I think there is room for
modification for further efficiency.

The MJE18008 sounds interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7gPeIVVy0A