Basic Free Energy Device

[Turion]

Well, for those of you who ACTUALLY build things instead of just jabbering, I FINALLY got my generator working last night. Right now it is running off a stock Razor Scooter motor. I don't want to burn up the only rewound pulse motor I have until I am ready to hook the generator to the pulse motor for final input and output testing.

I built this out of things I knew would work, because I had them lying around and could test them. But I also know that the weight of the thing could be reduced considerably.
1. Use hollow spacers instead of solid plastic spacers. (There are two big solid blocks of plastic 3" by 4" that have to rotate with the rotors because they hold the rotors apart) Those big ass neos want to flex my rotors, and I had problems early on with them flexing and hitting the coils. I also had problems with the cores sucking the magnets right out of the rotors. All problems I had to address by design changes and laying out tons more cash. I went through four different sets of rotors, progressively making the holes smaller and smaller so pressing the magnets in was a tighter fit. Until I finally came up with something that works.
2. Make the shaft out of aluminum instead of steel. I wanted it out of steel to begin with because aluminum can bend, and I knew this sucker would be taken apart time and again as I worked on it. Yesterday alone I tore it down to the base four different times working out mechanical problems.
5. Reduce the number of large nuts and washers on the machine. Plastic washers will work as well as steel ones, and nuts half the thickness of the ones I am using will do the same job. It weighs over 80 lbs, but most of that weight is wire. Generating coils. Lots and lots of generating coils.

Anyway, it is running on an input of 13 volts at 8 amps, for a total watt input of 104 watts. I'm rounding it off to 110 watts input for my calculations. It DOES pull over 30 amps on startup, but that draws down to 8 amps within seconds. It has 12 coils and today I will be working to determine what the power output is. By the way, the output will go to storage devices, so the input of 110 watts won't increase. It will be a constant. Now, if you consider that with the circuit we have been showing you, you can recover better than 80% of your total energy outlay, that means this thing is running on about 20 watts of "consumed" power, or power actually USED by the device to run. The rest is recovered.

So it all comes down to how much power it produces. It may not be worth a crap, but I should know by the end of the day today. When I know, you will know. But I have a feeling it will be more than 20 watts. Just a guess.

Dave

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Yes, Matt, you are exactly right. I apologize.

Bob

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Two Battery Boost System

Hey guys,

(The data is hard to look at. The columns don't stay well separated.)

The two battery system that I’m working with has started to show excellent results after adding another motor to be turned as a generator. [Perhaps the load increases the regenerative and charging efficiencies. (?) JB said that a slight load on the SG did so and he always had a fan on his bicycle wheel.] The generator is the same exact motor as the one in the circuit. I am running a 7W incandescent bulb on it. At this time, the generator is outputting 8.9V, open circuit. It was putting out 13V+, but the motor was pretty warm, so I turned it down.

My first set of batteries has been inconsistent. Since I am running these batteries back and forth, I have started taking the two batteries’ numbers, adding them together, and divide by two to average them. I can compare the average voltage and capacity numbers from run to run. This set goes up and down. Some runs show more energy than the start (beginning of first test), some are down.

V mOhms CCA
#4 12.40 11.30 234 (starting levels)
#1 12.48 11.34 233

V mOhms CCA Average Average
#4 12.38 11.46 231 Voltage CCA
#1 12.69 10.55 251 12.54 241

#1 12.46 11.35 233
#4 12.44 10.83 244 12.45 239

#4 12.36 11.55 229
#1 12.51 10.74 246 12.44 238

#1 12.34 11.40 232
#4 12.35 11.26 235 12.35 234

#4 12.22 12.10 218
#1 12.44 11.15 237 12.33 228

A loss over all.

But my second set is doing great all the time, so far. I am running a test, resting them, measuring, then running another test, and am only recording the ending values (which are the starting values for the next test). Here are the results:

V mOhms CCA Average Average
#3 12.50 10.35 256 Voltage CCA
#2 12.40 11.07 239 12.45 248

#2 12.55 10.41 254
#3 12.57 10.24 258 12.56 256

#3 12.49 10.72 247
#2 12.61 09.91 267 12.55 257

#3 12.44 10.30 257
#2 12.58 10.75 246 12.51 252

#2 12.34 11.07 239
#3 12.67 09.95 266 12.51 253

Definite gains. Not bad for running a light the whole time. At this point I am turning the Boost Module back up to where the generator will be outputting 12V. From now on both sets will be run at this setting.

Bob

[voltan]

hi dave. if it looks like in the pic, and if you can't feel cogging when you turn the shaft, that's likely what it is. separation was fairly easy. the backing magnet held it all together. closing it back up requires a little bit of care so as not to damage the brushes. as you know, some of these pancake motors are said to be very efficient as is. over 90 %
cheers.

[Turion]

Voltan,
I think I have one of those on my shelf, among the piles of motors I have accumulated over the years. I have knda been waiting to see how Matt's generator works out. I know he has been making progress. The second worst part was unwinding some stuff to come up with the wire he needed....a job I absolutely HATE. but that leaves the WORST part which is winding the thing. I hate winding more than anything. I think my next couple big purchases are going to be a coil winder and a torrid winder. Soon. Very, very SOON!! Just waiting for a check. I did just get in some magnets so I can build a rotor to run six of those pump motors off one pulsed Razor Scooter motor, but I haven't tried it yet.

Dave

[voltan]

hi dave. i found a pic of the internals of the thermofan motor i mentioned on page 8. i read that they need about 6000 rpm to make about 13 -14 v with some amps. as a motor they can be pulsed if the frequency is about 40-80 khz. as a gen, no core losses helps. there is some drag in the bearings and the brushes. a coupled pair might go well. i got 1 of these motors. maybe with a flywheel it could be a pulsed motor-gen.

cheers.

[Turion]

Guys,
I'm going to keep pointing this out because I don't want to see anyone discouraged. The purpose of the "run" circuit was to allow us to run a motor while using as little energy as possible, and NOT to develop a circuit that produces more out than in...although that would be nice too! And can be done with the Benitez stuff as Matt has proven.

But for the purposes of a Basic Free Energy Device all we need is recovery of 80% or better of the energy used to run the motor and we HAVE that with the 3BGS running on this boost circuit. Cheap and simple to build. Now we have the motor and the run circuit. The generator is next. Any generator that puts out as much or MORE than it takes to run the motor gets you to COP>1 when you factor in that the power used to run the motor is recovered.

[mikrovolt]

Sometimes in developing Tesla coils or simular coils the expiramenter would like to start with a basic modulated signal then take the project further. The concern
might be about the spectral quality. I think that a good review of the frequency components seen on the spectrum analyzer is one way to see what the output shows.
This would apply to many other types of oscillator multipliers as well. These being developed using sine wave temporarily but are not yet equipped with spark gap or impulse modulation.

Working from known to unknown is an advantage by being able to identify those frequency components when adding a ground or modify to an abrupt discharge and where and how (filtering) modification might improve output. Many of the outstanding basic energy devices begin with a highly efficient system ( such as 98%+) that are documented on a data sheets.

When finished and ready to add spark gap the builder must be ready for unfavorable results. What if efficiency drops to 12% ? During the process of operating open system mode the hope of ever seeing a gain may depend on how well those frequency components line up.

This video reviews basic set up of spec analyzer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KT3yNuY_FPM#t=1292

[citfta]

Hi voltan,

That is a good idea. I have used a small incandescent bulb in the SSG circuit with good results. So that is worth a try on the booster circuit also. Thanks for the idea.

Carroll

[voltan]

just a thought guys. it might be worth trying some small incandecent bulbs as a resistance to the booster. i think J.B regarded their temp/resistance plot as a bit of a crucial element in the s.s.g and related schemes.

cheers.

[Sawt2]

Please forgive me I have no emails concerning you or anyone else for that matter, from this forum.
I simply noticed when I went back to read what you had written your posts were gone.

Find the email.

Matt

[Sawt2]

Matt's posts

Not sure if it is just on my end or not but matt had posted earlierthis week, now his posts seem to have disappeared.

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Alternating Boost Charging

Guys,

Matt said that he already has done the motor idea that I just suggested and it ran for a long time, but the motor needs to run at such low power that it is unusable.

I am wondering if his pulse motor was wound with the two sides in series (the two wire ends connected to one commutator segment each, opposit of each other) and with very fine wire (58AWG), if we could get enough out of it with high voltage while limitting the amps. (?) The brushes of each pair would be opposit each other and the two pairs would sit 90° from each other so the current would alternate from one pair to the other, thus sent to one side of the circuit then the other.

Bearden says we don't need amps to run stuff, but so far it seems like no amps, no power.

I'm working on the road all week (truck driver) and have to work on my pickup this weekend, so I don't know how much I can get done on this stuff other than run some more test with what I have set up (which isn't a bad idea anyway).

Bob

[citfta]

Hi Bob,

That is a good idea of using the motor to do the switching. That might be an easy way to switch charge from one side to the other. I have a couple of scooter motors I have been rewinding in different ways to see what they would do so I might give that idea a try also.

Now that I know I have a bad meter I plan to go back and try working with this system some more without any resistor and see if I can get it tuned for good charging that way. It looks like you are getting good results without any resistance. I am not surprised your voltage has dropped with increased capacity. That to me is a sign you are actually improving the condition of the battery.

I am glad to know about those meters from Harbor Freight. I go there fairly often but do not remember seeing them at the store I go to. But they have so much in such a small place it is easy to overlook something. At any rate I got this one off Ebay for about $30 less than I would have paid at the store. I just got lucky and got in a bid just at the very end (about 10 seconds left).

Later,
Carroll

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Alternating Boost Charging

Here's a drawing of the Alternating Motor System.