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**Dave45** · 06-13-2013, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by chainmailleman View Post

If it changed direction, wouldn't it "charge" the power supply?

The field collapses in the same direction as it was created, causing an emf in the same direction as the source.

The problem is its a high voltage spike, not amperage.
High voltage without current is pretty much useless, the same for high amperage without voltage is useless, there has to be a balance and phase relation to do work.

**Dave45** · 06-13-2013, 03:02 PM

@gyula
Can u pump a high voltage spike into a transformer and get a lower voltage with amperage out.

**Dave45** · 06-13-2013, 03:27 PM

For rookies like me

http://www.ti.com/lit/an/snva559/snva559.pdf

**gyula** · 06-13-2013, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by Ein~+ein View Post

Help me with this folks.

In trying to understand the fluorescent tube phenomenon, does it not seem possible that one could recharge a dead cell phone battery directly under an overhead power line with nothing more than 2 lengths of wire--one attached to the neg. bat. term'l aimed at the power line, and the other, connecting the positive terminal to the ground?

If feasible, this info could potentially save lives as many rely solely on electronics, often forgetting to take printed maps, first aid, or other essentials into the great outdoors.

Hi,

Well it seems possible, albeit not exactly like you described, nevertheless using such wires to pick up energy from the near field of power lines is against the law in most countries.
So I think, one wire (long enough) could be used and the second "tapping point" would come from the ground. And you would have to use a full wave bridge rectifier because power lines carry AC currents so the output (unfiltered) DC from the diode bridge would be connected polarity-correctly to the cell phone battery. How long wire and positioned at what height should be tested at each particular site of course. If you do not wish to drive a grounding pole into the soil then I think you may also use a second wire with a certain length too but a full wave diode bridge is still needed.
Remember: it is dangerous to touch long wires placed in the air due to atmospheric statics even if there are no power lines nearby.

Gyula

**gyula** · 06-13-2013, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by Dave45 View Post

@gyula
Can u pump a high voltage spike into a transformer and get a lower voltage with amperage out.

Hi Dave,

I think it can be done provided the followings hold:

1) You make sure that you pump alternately (one after the other) two opposing polarity spikes into the primary coil of the transformer, this is needed for the transformer core to rearrange its magnetic domains, otherwise they may become biased mainly in the direction a single polarity spike would set them. By using an opposite polarity spike with respect to the previous one, preferably with similar amplitude, this is achieved.

2) You make sure the transformer core is chosen according to the frequency i.e. to the rate of occurence of the spikes (coming one after the other with opposite polarities).

3) You make sure the transformer is designed as a pulse transformer to have a comparable efficiency to normal sinusoidal AC transformers. Designing pulse transformers need some additional knowledge besides normal transformer design and nowadays this area has become a rarity knowledge.

rgds, Gyula

**chainmailleman** · 06-14-2013, 03:50 AM

Originally posted by Dave45 View Post

The problem is its a high voltage spike, not amperage.
High voltage without current is pretty much useless, the same for high amperage without voltage is useless, there has to be a balance and phase relation to do work.

The definition of an amp is Change in the Electric Field over Time. The voltage can be stored in the dielectric field of a capacitor and discharged to produce the amperage, such as an LC circuit which fits both your criteria for energy transfer....transversely.

In other words, how fast you discharge a capacitor is directly related to the amperage, not how much you charge it.

What is more powerful: One watt for one second, or One Billion watts for one-billionth of a second? Both are the same amount of power.

**tachyon** · 06-14-2013, 06:09 AM

if you read lenz law you will understand that if there is a magnetic monopole that means conservation of energy is violated.

What is more powerful: One watt for one second, or One Billion watts for one-billionth of a second? Both are the same amount of power.

the second case will induce a much greater emf=dΦ/dt where Φ=B*da

looks like momentum F=Δp/Δt

about static discharge from a long wire I dont think there is enough power to harm you there must be a lot of wind and one end of the wire be in contact with air, if you connect a smaller diameter wire it will leak of from there just dont touch it with your toung .. :P

**tachyon** · 06-14-2013, 06:28 AM

P= V x I = V*I*sinθ ...

triple cross with cosine ..

**tachyon** · 06-14-2013, 06:40 AM

there may be a magnetic monopole in nature but it might be a subatomic particle if someone starts the conversation I'll chip in start by analysing this picture..
Fulgarite - Nat Geo Snap | National Geographic Channel it's not from the wind//

**Duncan** · 06-14-2013, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by Ein~+ein View Post

Help me with this folks.

In trying to understand the fluorescent tube phenomenon, does it not seem possible that one could recharge a dead cell phone battery directly under an overhead power line with nothing more than 2 lengths of wire--one attached to the neg. bat. term'l aimed at the power line, and the other, connecting the positive terminal to the ground?

If feasible, this info could potentially save lives as many rely solely on electronics, often forgetting to take printed maps, first aid, or other essentials into the great outdoors.

SWR: Standing Up for Standing Waves - Preview - YouTube Origins of Energy Synthesis by Professor Eric Dollard - YouTube Theory of Anti-Relativity (Full Video) by Professor Eric Dollard - YouTube
re the phone ...
Prof Meyl at 14M00 > here describes a case in Germany where all the folks were driving there garden equipment from the effects of the Radio linear wave