Is the Magnetic Field around a Wire Harvestable Free Energy?

[Ein~+ein]

Forgive this naive question but is it true that the current in a wire is completely unaffected by work done by its exterior magnetic field? If so, is it not, at least theoretically possible, to harvest such field energy around HV transmission power lines and go off grid?

[citfta]

Quick Answers

No. Yes. Probably not.

Respectfully,
Carroll

PS: You can also go to jail for trying.

[Ernst]

PS: You can also go to jail for trying.

If you're living in the US, then you can be sentenced to death just because the president doesn't like you. You can be arrested, without being told on what charges, sentenced to death in a secret trial and executed.
In a system like that, you do no longer need to worry/care about the law. You must only make sure that they do not get you.

If you are living within 5000 Km from a 60 Hz distribution cable, you are in its near field. That means that more than half the world is within the near field of the US distribution network.
That means theoretically that you can get all the power you need from a cleverly constructed device.

Ernst.

[Ein~+ein]

I think you mean 5,000 Cms? Americans don't understand the metric system.

[Farmhand]

I think you mean 5,000 Cms? Americans don't understand the metric system.

Then no wonder there is so much debt there, isn't your money metric/decimal ? Just kidding.
Ten pennies in a dime and ten dimes in a dollar. That's metric. I was lucky to
learn a bit of imperial measurement in my trade because the older tradesmen
still used it here when I did my apprenticeship. Sometimes measuring in inches
and fractions is more useful than metric. Remembering an imperial
measurement like 6 feet 4 and 5/8 of an inch can sometimes be easier than
the metric equivalent.

5000 klm = 3106.9 miles.

If you tap the magnetic field of a wire then you'll most likely basically make a
transformer and transformers use energy from the source. So i would say if
you use the magnetic field around a wire it will use energy from the source.

However considering they are invading our homes with the field without telling
people I say blow them. If the device is in your home and not connected to
the grid and not dangerous then go for it.

It's the voltage difference at the generator that causes the current to flow.
If you take energy from the wire and the current stays the same the
generator will need to work a bit harder to maintain the voltage potential I think.

Try this but only if you feel safe to do it, take an extension chord remove the
outer insulation and separate the live and neutral wires and the ground wire
as well if there is one, then that would leave you with two separated AC wires
and a ground with the plugs still at both ends.
Then wind one of the AC wires into a loop of a few turns to make a coil, then
take a separate piece of wire and wind into a loop/coil as well, this would be the
output winding, connect the output winding to a socket or female plug and
plug in a light bulb load to the output winding then place the output winding
on coil on the coil in the AC line plug in a light bulb load to the extension
chord and measure the power used with an energy meter where the extension
chord is plugged in, measure without the output coil load and with the output
coil load and you should see that the energy dissipated from the light bulb on the
output coil is supplied by the grid and paid for.

If you wait a few days I might be able to demonstrate that on video.

How will you tap the magnetic field if not by transformer action ?

If you dissipate energy that energy must be supplied to dissipate.

Is your home fitted with an "RCD" "safety switch", if not I wouldn't do
anything until one was fitted or you use a stand alone "safety switch".

What is an RCD? - EnergySafety - Department of Commerce

No experiment is worth dying for. Every home should have one.

For rental homes in Australia they are mandatory.
Information for agents - EnergySafety - Department of Commerce

Cheers

[shylo]

Respectfully

I disagree with both Cifta and Farmhand,
You can tap into current flow ,catch it , and use it, without effecting its' original purpose, and without consuming any more power.
It's not over-unity ,it's just making better use of the waste.
shylo

[totoalas]

I disagree with both Cifta and Farmhand,
You can tap into current flow ,catch it , and use it, without effecting its' original purpose, and without consuming any more power.
It's not over-unity ,it's just making better use of the waste.
shylo

it was discussed before I think its in India
a teenager was taking photos in a train station which is above a hv transmission line

The flash of the camera triggered a hv strike that burnt his whole body

[Ernst]

The flash of the camera triggered a hv strike that burnt his whole body

it's just making better use of the waste.

mmm, right....

Ernst.

[Farmhand]

It's good to disagree if you feel that way inclined.

Looks to me like a good excuse for an experiment. I'm very slow though I'm sure
someone else could do it quicker and better, I'm a mumbler as well.

I can set up the experiment I outlined, but I might be a trickster trying to
disprove OU so no one should believe what I show anyway. There could be other
ways. Maybe if I use an AC motor somewhere the result will be different.

I'll need to choose a lead to modify and find some stuff, could take a while.

I think the energy that damaged the person taking the photo would have come
from the HV power line and helped to turn the supply power meter if it was metered.

Cheers

[morpher44]

twisted legal ideas about US.

If you're living in the US, then you can be sentenced to death just because the president doesn't like you. You can be arrested, without being told on what charges, sentenced to death in a secret trial and executed.
In a system like that, you do no longer need to worry/care about the law. You must only make sure that they do not get you.
If you are living within 5000 Km from a 60 Hz distribution cable, you are in its near field. That means that more than half the world is within the near field of the US distribution network.
That means theoretically that you can get all the power you need from a cleverly constructed device.
Ernst.

I am a US citizen. You have a completely TWISTED opinion of our laws.

Meanwhile, if you had a device that inductively coupled with the power lines in your home, and could pull power wireless from your home wiring, your meter would still run, you would still pay for it.

Put this device near your neighbors house, make his meter run, that it theft. Your neighbor would be the one to watch out for in this situation.

I see no problems legally with receiving power from the SKY such as the Hydrogen Line frequency. I also see no problems with receiving power from the Earth's field, or from the ground. If anyone has a LEGAL issue with receiving from these locations, then solar and wind are not viable.

60Hz is a very very long wave ... and building equipment to receive
this from thin air would be difficult. One of the Schumann resonant
frequencies is near 60Hz.... 59 point something....
Its funny that people who build coils to detect the Schumann use
a really long, wide diameter tube, with thousands of turns of thick wire,
and bury it in the ground. Yet, big loops of wire are probably BETTER.

[Ernst]

Sorry for being off-topic

Read up on the changes that have been made to your laws because of the great terrorism-threat.

This is a not strictly US EXAMPLE:

an action advancing a political, religious or ideological cause; and
coercing, or influencing by intimidationseriously interferes with, seriously disrupts, or destroys, an electronic system.

If you tell the president that you believe in freedom while he is on his cell phone, and he feels intimidated by you, then you are a terrorist and your 'human rights' are revoked.

Until recently ANY not US citizen in the US could be called a terrorist and consequently loose his/her human rights. Being a US citizen you had to break a law first (such as jaywalking).
Now this has been changed, the more recent changes make that ANY one in the US can have his/her human rights revoked at any time.
This is not my twisted opinion.
This is reality.
Time to wake up!

Ernst.

(I will be happy to supply you with more detail in a thread on this subject)

[Ein~+ein]

Farmhand: Here's a simpler and safer experiment I saw on PESN that retains a field's residual magnetic attraction between 2 metal blocks long after the wire, briefly carrying a current, has been removed from a groove between their flush surfaces: Leedskalnin "Perpetual Motion Holder" (PMH) Bond Effect

Questions posed on PESN:
I'd be curious to know what the parameters of this phenomenon are, exploring such variables as:

Strength of the bond; force required to separate the blocks
Strength of the bond over time
Minimum current required
Minimum time required
Relationship between current, time and block size
Relationship between current, time, block and bond strength, or is it all-or-nothing?
Wire gage required
Relationship between wire gauge and block size
Different kinds of metals that can display the effect
Different shapes
Could it be used in series, one set bonded then bonded to another?
How far away from 'center' can the channel be and the effect still work?
Does the channel have to be straight?
It seems there could be a bunch of masters and Ph.D. degrees obtained from characterizing this effect, bringing it into mainstream Academia, redeeming it from the fringe-only present classification.

Maybe these parameters have been worked out somewhere. It wouldn't take a deep budget to study/characterize this stuff. Garage tinkers could easily do it.

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It brings to mind Dave45's coil-in-ice experiment which he intends to repeat. Freezing water to -4*C (it's most molecularly contracted state) maximizes it's electrical conductivity but with only one free electron, it can't become magnetized, can it?

@ Ernst: Thanks for the laugh--you remind me of of Billy Bob Thornton in J. Jarmouche's 'Deadman' (with Johnny Depp). You're going to have to quote the law that says 'Thou shalt not come any closer than X'Y" to said power lines!"

[Farmhand]

Ahh I see, the PMH, funnily enough I don't see the PMH's ability to hold its
keeper on any different to putting a pin in a "D shackle", unless i'm missing
something the PMH doesn't actually lift anything over a distance, vertical or
otherwise, so the keeper is kinda just like a pin in a shackle.

Will other Ferris objects hold to a PMH with it's keeper locked ? Is there any way
to make a PMH and it's keeper produce an output ?

I don't see the thing holding up a weight as output work. A bench can do that.

Cheers

[MonsieurM]

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it is a prototype model ..... not yet efficient

[chainmailleman]

I believe this thread is straying off topic.

I will return the attention to the one question that has gone unanswered:

is it true that the current in a wire is completely unaffected by work done by its exterior magnetic field?