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[dR-Green]

Oh Mr Green...


I wanted to illuminate the whole Earth...There is enough electricity to become a Second Sun...

Nikola Tesla

Thanks Ufo, but that is totally open to interpretation, and he's philosophising more than he is explaining a scientific experiment with facts as he does when describing his systems and how they work etc.

The translations are questionable, according to one Tesla's whole answer in the interview is:

I wanted to illuminate the whole earth. There is enough electricity to become a second sun. Light would appear around the equator, as a ring around Saturn.
Mankind is not ready for the great and good. In Colorado Springs I soaked the earth by electricity. Also we can water the other energies, such as positive mental energy. They are in the music of Bach or Mozart, or in the verses of great poets. In the Earth's interior, there are energy of Joy, Peace and Love. Their expressions are a flower that grows from the Earth, the food we get out of her and everything that makes man's homeland. I've spent years looking for the way that this energy could influence people. The beauty and the scent of roses can be used as a medicine and the sun rays as a food. Life has an infinite number of forms, and the duty of scientists is to find them in every form of matter. Three things are essential in this. All that I do is a search for them. I know I will not find them, but I will not give up on them.

He refers to Colorado Springs, which he has stated in another interview that I previously quoted that the electricity he soaked the earth with was supplied for free by his friends.

As for the rest, well he's not talking about electrical energy. Electrical energy is just one expression, or one of an infinite number of forms of life.

He also then goes on to speak of Einstein, supposedly, and relativity. Einstein had not gained his diploma until 1901 and had not published his special relativity theory until 1905. This interview is claimed to have been in 1899.

No, I have nothing against Mr. Einstein. He is a kind person and has done many good things, some of which will become part of the music. I will write to him and try to explain that the ether exists, and that its particles are what keep the Universe in harmony, and the life in eternity.

Done many good things, like, gone to school, and not graduated yet.

Furthermore, after Einstein leaves school in 1901 he's unable to get a job as a science teacher, so then he gets a job at the patent office. And Tesla is saying that Einstein had done many good things, speaking in 1899?

And from the bottom of the page:

Reference:

True interview that scientist Nikola Tesla gave for magazine "Immortality" in his laboratory in Colorado Springs.

Well, I certainly appreciate the reminder that it's a "true interview". I would have completely forgotten and accidentally ended up thinking that it was completely fabricated otherwise

Interview with Nikola Tesla from 1899 - freedomtek.org

Assuming that it is in fact a true interview, then there is still no claim by Tesla that one could power their house from energy out of thin air. He's basically referring to a potentiality, in the same way that a seed has enormous potential energy within it. The energy isn't necessarily released or expressed. With a seed we know how to intentionally go about it, or at least start the process. As for powering your entire house with the electrical equivalent, even Tesla himself seems to admit that he hasn't found out how it's done.

So while these days it may be possible to power an LED, and Tesla had some interesting things on a "small" scale and the whole thing is definitely worth investigating further in itself, the whole idea of wireless free energy as the story is told in conspiracy circles seems to be based on a total myth. The reality behind it, according to all common sense and Tesla's own words, is that the transmitter was in no way completely self-powering, the energy was to be generated by conventional means. Energy synthesis while the thing is in operation is another matter. The point of this whole thing is that it's a distraction, searching for magic where there is none in the context of the ultimate Tesla conspiracy, so it's a search that could go on indefinitely. More than one separate things are merged into one "fact" that is spread through youtube, so no one can figure it out.

All the while overlooking what already exists. "We don't have free energy because of the government etc". Total crap. Stick a generator at a river or on a windmill and there you have your free energy through exactly the same means as if Tesla had finished building his transmitter. The only difference is that you'll have to pay to build the generator yourself, for the same reason that energy costs anything to begin with. But that's too simple and obvious isn't it, and when the conspiracists say they want free energy, they mean they want FREE energy. "You pay for it, I'll have it." So in the meantime we will continue to pollute everything, ignore the obvious stuff we can implement today, and keep paying those bills.

[Ufopolitics]

Nikola Tesla...

As posted in the other thread, on Tesla's radiant energy as it relates to supposedly supplying the whole world with free energy (or not), that very idea seems to be disinfo to keep people on an invisible wild goose chase, whether deliberately so or interpreted as such by people who don't bother to read anything:

Until it is proven otherwise via Tesla's own words, there seems to be a great myth surrounding Tesla's (wireless) "free energy". For example, on the basis that Tesla intended to supply consumers with electrical energy at no cost, it is assumed that the source of this energy is in direct relation to subjects on radiant energy, i.e. being of a completely free and intangible source. Therefore the source of free energy is a puzzle that no one has been able to solve. The government is covering it up, it's all J P Morgan's fault etc etc. We can't have free energy because no one has figured this out. Poppycock. The source of the energy that is to be distributed, and the system that distributes it are two completely different things. Let's read what Tesla had to say.

From Nikola Tesla On His Work With Alternating Currents And Their Application To Wireless Telegraphy, Telephony, And Transmission Of Power, page 109:

"... I simply went there because in Colorado my system of power transmission was introduced. All around the plants in the mountains, my three-phase system, and the induction motors were employed. All the mines surrounding Cripple Creek and Telluride were operated by them, and I had friends there who were only too delighted to give me all the power I wanted, and not charge anything for it."

Free energy. Magic.

Now if we follow the logical direction of thinking, if Tesla can secure such an arrangement on a permanent basis to be used for distribution through his wireless apparatus, then the mystery of his wireless "free energy" proposition is solved.

Where does Tesla ever claim that the radiant energy apparatus will yield enough energy to power your whole house? Where does he claim that his Magnifying Transmitter or Wardenclyffe is to run on energy sprouted out of thin air in order to power the entire planet?

Oh Mr Green...


I wanted to illuminate the whole Earth...There is enough electricity to become a Second Sun...

Nikola Tesla

[dR-Green]

As posted in the other thread, on Tesla's radiant energy as it relates to supposedly supplying the whole world with free energy (or not), that very idea seems to be disinfo to keep people on an invisible wild goose chase, whether deliberately so or interpreted as such by people who don't bother to read anything:

Until it is proven otherwise via Tesla's own words, there seems to be a great myth surrounding Tesla's (wireless) "free energy". For example, on the basis that Tesla intended to supply consumers with electrical energy at no cost, it is assumed that the source of this energy is in direct relation to subjects on radiant energy, i.e. being of a completely free and intangible source. Therefore the source of free energy is a puzzle that no one has been able to solve. The government is covering it up, it's all J P Morgan's fault etc etc. We can't have free energy because no one has figured this out. Poppycock. The source of the energy that is to be distributed, and the system that distributes it are two completely different things. Let's read what Tesla had to say.

From Nikola Tesla On His Work With Alternating Currents And Their Application To Wireless Telegraphy, Telephony, And Transmission Of Power, page 109:

"... I simply went there because in Colorado my system of power transmission was introduced. All around the plants in the mountains, my three-phase system, and the induction motors were employed. All the mines surrounding Cripple Creek and Telluride were operated by them, and I had friends there who were only too delighted to give me all the power I wanted, and not charge anything for it."

Free energy. Magic.

Now if we follow the logical direction of thinking, if Tesla can secure such an arrangement on a permanent basis to be used for distribution through his wireless apparatus, then the mystery of his wireless "free energy" proposition is solved.

Where does Tesla ever claim that the radiant energy apparatus will yield enough energy to power your whole house? Where does he claim that his Magnifying Transmitter or Wardenclyffe is to run on energy sprouted out of thin air in order to power the entire planet?

[Farmhand]

Thats condescending..... Thats why I started in on you. And you do it alot. But you obviously do not know how to take it.

My statement on your lack imagination comes from the the fact you spent all that time beating Accelerative regeneration and you haven't a clue how to use it.

I'll give that to ya.

2 high impedance generator coils in series produce a High voltage AC current. Shorted they speed the motor up and cost nothing in torque or consumption. If you use round magnets they produce a nice sine wave. Yet you say this isn't useful and never would answer the question as to why just "Thats my opinion" (And I'm supposed to be the know it all)

So you take the voltage produced from the coils and drive it back down to a few points above source and feed to the the source. What you have now?

A faster motor with less consumption. But thats not a good thing is it? But I bet if you thought of it, it would have been the candy for the masses.

So whats with a spark gap? Why do you want that?

If you parallel mix a high voltage low current source, with a high current low voltage source, on or through one wire the High voltage will always recede to the level of the higher current. And this process takes time.
Now this will not happen unless a conductor is present. IE the wire.

High voltage radiant energy (Or whatever you coin it as) will not follow this pattern.

Get the picture yet?

See thats the trick, you have to find a way to make these good things work for ya. Instead you convince yourself its useless then you go on these rants trying to convince everyone your right that some one else is wrong.
Just like the fact you are ready to go out and prove Davids (Turion) tests "...can be easily faked...." As far as most are concerned it went well out of his way to prove the motor out. More that the spaceball did anyway.

Then you want someone to be nice to you? You got little growing up to do too.


Matt

Generator rotor acceleration when shorted/loaded is not very useful because of the high impedance
of the coils generally used and the frequency impedance which is part and parcel
of the effect, in my opinion. When the high impedance coils are driven by the
magnets at a certain speed, the frequency induced impedance restricts current
flow and negates Lenz's law because very little current can be produced. Lenz's
law is in effect for the produced currents though, it is the reduction of the
generated currents strength and the associated reduced Lenz effect that causes the acceleration.

Even though the motor is faster, it is the prime mover power which does it,
because of reduced load on the prime mover as a result of the reduced Lenz
effect because of the frequency/impedance restriction to the generation of
current.

The prime mover Thane used was consuming almost 200 watts for less than
20 watts output and he called it "creating energy" and Over Unity because
the rotor speed increased when he did it and the excessive input power to
the prime mover reduced. When the voltage is flattened by heavy loading or
shorting the generated voltage is greatly reduced and as a result the internal
capacitance of the coils can hold less energy, this means less lenz is in effect
because the coil's internal capacitance is not charged with as much energy
on each cycle. When no load is in place the internal capacity of the coil is
charged with every cycle to the full voltage, when shorted it is not.

It should be quite obvious.

There is a MIT lecture on you tube which explains it quite well. I've linked the lecture before.

Will you show a loaded or shorted generator producing more energy than the
total energy put into running it, more energy than is put in by you ?

Any chance of a demonstration of the mixing of the high voltage low current
and the low voltage high current on the same wire ?

Cheers

[citfta]

Hi Matt,

Like I said ohm's law only works with a known wave form like the sine wave which is used for normal power calculations. I don't think the frequency is as much of a problem as odd ball wave shapes like pulses and spikes etc. Then you can throw all the calculations for normal signals out the window. When I had to take my second class FCC test I had to calculate the resonant frequency and reactance losses for a given circuit. In all cases we had to make those calculations based on a sine wave signal. As I said to shylo once we get into "cold" electricity then you can forget all the "rules".

Later,
Carroll

[Ufopolitics]

The Magic Tach...lol

It seems the mystery of the magic tach is finally solved. The only person I could find in Ufo's thread that claimed he did not use the reflective tape admitted he painted the shaft black and added a white stripe to give the tach something to read. So I guess there is no magic tach that can read a shaft's speed without some kind of reference mark. I have a tach very similar to the one discussed and it does a great job as long as I give it some kind of reference mark to read. The booklet that came with it said the same thing. It clearly says there has to be some kind of reference mark and recommends using the tape if needed to stabilize a flaky reading.

Later,
Carroll

Hello Carroll,

It's funny how much we could deviate on a "not that important topic"...and expand so much into it...
There are many brands that specify "No Reflective Tape required", however they use a "pattern" to be added that could be black-white.
Others could just use "an imperfection on the shaft", and that "imperfection" could be the flat side to tighten the Allen bolt from pulley-sprocket...adapter.
And others...you just need to add a tiny piece of masking tape...shut black washable paint, and remove the small tiny mask...exposing the shiny shaft...

But I mean...Oh God!...how much wasted time into something that "unimportant"...

However, I love the name you gave it ..."The Magic Tach"...lol


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Matthew Jones]

Hi freepenguin,
I am curious as to why you say ohm's law can't be used in AC circuits. I have worked in electronics for over 50 years and I have never heard that before. The only problem with using ohm's law in AC applications is you have to take into consideration the reactance of the circuit. You also have to average the current since it is constantly changing, but that is no real problem either if the current is the normal sine wave. Most modern digital meters will do that automatically. And the same thing goes for the voltage. So you see by averaging the current and voltage and adding the reactance to the resistance ohm's law works just fine.

Carroll
He's right though, Ohms law is only a LAW when DC is involved. AC and Modulated DC Ohms law starts to have alot variable. Now with 60 hz alot of the variable have been worked out but when you start taking jumps in frequencies the rules that normally would apply start to increase in variable.
I learned this myself from a textbook on induction dated in the 1950's about 3 years ago. Then I have heard it several times from FE people.
So I am not an authority on classic engineering but I believe its probably the truth based on the source I found it in. The jest of the lesson was that this is a well known fact. But that was the 50's so..

Matt

[citfta]

The magic tach

It seems the mystery of the magic tach is finally solved. The only person I could find in Ufo's thread that claimed he did not use the reflective tape admitted he painted the shaft black and added a white stripe to give the tach something to read. So I guess there is no magic tach that can read a shaft's speed without some kind of reference mark. I have a tach very similar to the one discussed and it does a great job as long as I give it some kind of reference mark to read. The booklet that came with it said the same thing. It clearly says there has to be some kind of reference mark and recommends using the tape if needed to stabilize a flaky reading.

Later,
Carroll

[citfta]

Ohm's Law

Hi freepenguin,

I am curious as to why you say ohm's law can't be used in AC circuits. I have worked in electronics for over 50 years and I have never heard that before. The only problem with using ohm's law in AC applications is you have to take into consideration the reactance of the circuit. You also have to average the current since it is constantly changing, but that is no real problem either if the current is the normal sine wave. Most modern digital meters will do that automatically. And the same thing goes for the voltage. So you see by averaging the current and voltage and adding the reactance to the resistance ohm's law works just fine.

@shylo, I hope you don't mind me putting in my 2 cents worth. According to a lot of what I have read and my own experiences with "cold" or radiant electricity ohm's law does NOT apply. I have seen some really strange things in dealing with radiant that certainly do not conform to what we would expect if we applied ohm's law or some of our other conventional "laws" of physics. I have seen a 25 watt 120 volt bulb lit up so bright you almost couldn't stand to be in the same room because the light was so bright. Yet the bulb did not burn out even after several episodes of lighting like that. It was I believe lit up with "cold" electricity. My meters couldn't measure it accurately but it sure could light up some bulbs.

On another note I don't agree that you shouldn't learn as much as you can about modern theory. I agree we should all study the old masters. I have studied Tesla for over 50 years. But if you don't know what the modern theories are how can you tell when you find something that is not explained by the modern theory. I doesn't make sense to go looking for the unknown if you don't know what is known.

Respectfully,
Carroll

[freepenguin]

Hi Mike, sorry about that I'm not very good with computers, since I don't know how to use the quote feature,I just type your words in a short form version.
I only started on this journey a couple years ago,and have read alot.
I have a hard time with ohms law.
Does it apply to all situations, such as the so called" cold electricty"( the equal and opposite reaction to hot)
The higher the resistance , the lower the amps , the less watts.
Is there no way to reduce the R to 1 to use the full potential of the voltage
I've read many of your posts' and realize you have alot of knowledge in regards to these topics and respect what you say, that was the reason for the question.
shylo

The Ohm's law only works on DC circuit in close loop. It can't be used in AC circuit.

If you believe in laws in mainstream sciences, there is no way to build over unity device. It's better starting open up your mind and study alternative theories of real scientists who have been suppressed.

For example, "Eric Laithwaites lecture" will pull videos about his famous lecture about gyroscope experiments that defies the Newton's laws of motion.

[Matthew Jones]

Bottom line is these type of tests can be easily faked I think.
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Thats condescending..... Thats why I started in on you. And you do it alot. But you obviously do not know how to take it.

My statement on your lack imagination comes from the the fact you spent all that time beating Accelerative regeneration and you haven't a clue how to use it.

I'll give that to ya.

2 high impedance generator coils in series produce a High voltage AC current. Shorted they speed the motor up and cost nothing in torque or consumption. If you use round magnets they produce a nice sine wave. Yet you say this isn't useful and never would answer the question as to why just "Thats my opinion" (And I'm supposed to be the know it all)

So you take the voltage produced from the coils and drive it back down to a few points above source and feed to the the source. What you have now?

A faster motor with less consumption. But thats not a good thing is it? But I bet if you thought of it, it would have been the candy for the masses.

So whats with a spark gap? Why do you want that?

If you parallel mix a high voltage low current source, with a high current low voltage source, on or through one wire the High voltage will always recede to the level of the higher current. And this process takes time.
Now this will not happen unless a conductor is present. IE the wire.

High voltage radiant energy (Or whatever you coin it as) will not follow this pattern.

Get the picture yet?

See thats the trick, you have to find a way to make these good things work for ya. Instead you convince yourself its useless then you go on these rants trying to convince everyone your right that some one else is wrong.
Just like the fact you are ready to go out and prove Davids (Turion) tests "...can be easily faked...." As far as most are concerned it went well out of his way to prove the motor out. More that the spaceball did anyway.

Then you want someone to be nice to you? You got little growing up to do too.


Matt

[Farmhand]

Peter Lindemann -- Electric Motor Secrets - YouTube




If You are not familiar with New Technology and electronics in Tooling ...and still keep used to the Old Fashioned Antique Equipments from Second World War...that is NOT my problem...but Yours...
This Tachometers, the same way the new Laser Thermometers , are equipped to perform at "Dual Functions" meaning with LASER and without it, meaning just Infra Red. LASER is provided to ENHANCE Accuracy as to reach longer distance. Tape is supplied for IR use without Laser.

P.D: It is absolutely not my desire, and much less "My Pleasure" to respond to you, since you have earned the ability to produce Nausea and Disgusting feelings in my stomach...However, I must do it, just because You are referring about Me, My Thread and The Members Excellent work replicating and testing My Machines...accusing them of Faking Results...and all those vomiting and dark spoiled rotten "verbs" that are always spilled and excreted from your brain...

And I am NOT going to allow you to post ANYTHING like that without My response...and it could be here, on this thread, mine or in the middle of no where...

Never Regards for such disgusting poor creature like you, but compassion about your great pain...

You are a real idiot UFO. A child. Grow up and act like an adult.

Poor little cyber-bully.

I have no problem with a normal response about the issues I raised, but you must insult me. oh poor poor little boy.

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[Farmhand]

Address the subject

That's exactly the type of condescending post I expect from you Matthew.

Why not address the issue I raised rather than let loose with the personal
attacks ?

I didn't make any personal attacks on anyone. I raised a valid point and I get
personal insults from wannabe bullies.

If you think it will stop me raising any other points I think are valid you are
mistaken and wasting your own time.

If you think you have somehow intimidated me you are also wrong.

So you won't explain the way to make a gain from "blending power sources" ?

If there is a gain there why not explain it and demonstrate it for all the other fine folks ?

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[Matthew Jones]

WOW!! You got it all in 1 post. I'm proud of ya

I'll give ya part number. You give it a guess, or maybe try.

Bourns 2020-15T-C2LF.

Have you not ever attempted to blend power sources?

We'll see.... I just don't think you have that much imagination.

Matt

[Farmhand]

OK Matt, I think from memory you say a low voltage high current output can be mixed with a higher voltage low current output for an advantage.

Could you explain that to us again please ?

I have no intention of going to america why don't you come here and show me
something big noter. Grow up.

I suppose you think you know everything I know and I could not show you
something you didn't know before. All knowing Matthew Jones, if you have
a question just ask him, he knows the answer doesn't matter what it is about.

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