Symmetric versus Asymmetric Electromagnetic Systems

[JohnStone]

Some more details available on "If We only knew the magnificence of 3,6,9...will know many secrets of the Universe..."? Totally opaque for my mind. Where are the relations from solfeggio frequerncies to our technical devices?

[Les_K]

Hi Les,

Yes, It is very interesting...

The thing is, We have to differentiate between "Real C EMF" and the Effect created just because of the Symmetrical Configuration...Once that we understand that, (By getting rid of the Symmetry,then in the Asymmetrical Model We could see the "Real C EMF" at work...isolated from our Input ??!!(Nikola Tesla: Emphasizing ALWAYS in most of His Patents, to keep "Independent Pairs, or Groups of Pairs in Armature-Stator Coils") and ready to be taken out...I have built very clear models between the "Two Worlds", and now I have made them in 3D for better understanding of the technical disclosure...so you guys could see the "Light"...it is there...

The Symmetrical Model, all it does, is to FORCE a Counter Effect, projected against our own Input at 180 degrees (for a two brush system, now, for a four brush, is every 90 degrees in our Quadrant)...But that is NOT Real Back EMF...

The Real Back EMF only develops, thrives when we let the Coil "idle" independently from the rest, even for a Nano-second of time...just like an Inductor does when electronically pulsed in a Booster Converter board...or in my other set-up of Coil and diodes..And then, We will all come up to the final conclusion, like I did...The "Real Back EMF is nothing more than Radiant Energy...that's it Les...

Regards


Ufopolitics

Yes, the light does need to come on for sure..
John bedini is always saying it's all right in front of us. Although I see it, I am like so many others, programmed by conventional thinking. This makes it tough to get through that last bit.

That is why I felt it important to have the two little motors, I can tell this is going to take some visual and hands on experience.

I am certain when we see your 3D views we are going to see the light

Thanks Again UFO... Very enlightening

Les

[Ufopolitics]

Yes Les, very interesting indeed...

Well, This is getting interesting. This all had me thinking back to the ecklin patent... in particular this section here...

http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin1.jpg

Then I was thinking about something Peter Lindemann did on a motor here
Peter Lindemann Rotary Attraction Motor 2b - YouTube

Peter removed the windings and got the timing just right as far as I can tell it is essentially an SSG. But I think it is limited to the inductive kickback.

To me inductive kickback and EMF, CEMF are not the same thing. I agree with Bedini on this point that EMF is always going to be lower than the input voltage.
I like what you said UFO and as you describe the schematic at the beginning of your other thread that inductive kickback is what generates the Cold energy.
So we have to look at four things in this process. First the hot energy we introduce into a motor to make it run. At that moment it has infinite torque because there is no Bemf. then as the motor comes up to speed the lower voltage Bemf begins to raise in voltage to work in opposition to the hot energy we put in and as the two meet equilibrium, the RPM'S are locked in. (this is how I understand it anyway)
The third event that takes place is the inductive kickback. This is the high voltage spike (also called flyback) that then can be captured and charge batteries etc. if not tuned properly this is as far as most builds of the SSG get. But as you have described UFO there is a fourth component that is generated by the inductive kickback which you refer to as cold electricity (I like that better than negative energy). It is created by the inductive kickback very much like the inductive kickback is created by the hot energy spike into a coil. So As I understand, this is where the whole trick to asymmetry resides. if you don't do it right you don't get ICE cold batteries, transistors, motors etc.

Is this anywhere close to your ideas?



Les

Hi Les,

Yes, It is very interesting...

The thing is, We have to differentiate between "Real C EMF" and the Effect created just because of the Symmetrical Configuration...Once that we understand that, (By getting rid of the Symmetry,then in the Asymmetrical Model We could see the "Real C EMF" at work...isolated from our Input ??!!(Nikola Tesla: Emphasizing ALWAYS in most of His Patents, to keep "Independent Pairs, or Groups of Pairs in Armature-Stator Coils") and ready to be taken out...I have built very clear models between the "Two Worlds", and now I have made them in 3D for better understanding of the technical disclosure...so you guys could see the "Light"...it is there...

The Symmetrical Model, all it does, is to FORCE a Counter Effect, projected against our own Input at 180 degrees (for a two brush system, now, for a four brush, is every 90 degrees in our Quadrant)...But that is NOT Real Back EMF...

The Real Back EMF only develops, thrives when we let the Coil "idle" independently from the rest, even for a Nano-second of time...just like an Inductor does when electronically pulsed in a Booster Converter board...or in my other set-up of Coil and diodes..And then, We will all come up to the final conclusion, like I did...The "Real Back EMF is nothing more than Radiant Energy...that's it Les...

Regards


Ufopolitics

[john_g]

Extra Commutator

Hi

I had a go at using an extra commutator on a motor last year, which enables the motor to be pulsed automatically - maybe it's relevant here? Just wondering if the spike was put into the second motor, and they are connected back-to-back, the spike would tend to drive the second motor in the same direction as the first, and I suspect an even bigger spike will be produced by that motor?

You can see the pics here:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6841-lockridge-type-principal-device-tesla-self-run-motor-generator-8.html#post135844

Regards

John

[Les_K]

other Ideas...

Well, This is getting interesting. This all had me thinking back to the ecklin patent... in particular this section here...

http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin1.jpg

Then I was thinking about something Peter Lindemann did on a motor here
Peter Lindemann Rotary Attraction Motor 2b - YouTube

Peter removed the windings and got the timing just right as far as I can tell it is essentially an SSG. But I think it is limited to the inductive kickback.

To me inductive kickback and EMF, CEMF are not the same thing. I agree with Bedini on this point that EMF is always going to be lower than the input voltage.
I like what you said UFO and as you describe the schematic at the beginning of your other thread that inductive kickback is what generates the Cold energy.
So we have to look at four things in this process. First the hot energy we introduce into a motor to make it run. At that moment it has infinite torque because there is no Bemf. then as the motor comes up to speed the lower voltage Bemf begins to raise in voltage to work in opposition to the hot energy we put in and as the two meet equilibrium, the RPM'S are locked in. (this is how I understand it anyway)
The third event that takes place is the inductive kickback. This is the high voltage spike (also called flyback) that then can be captured and charge batteries etc. if not tuned properly this is as far as most builds of the SSG get. But as you have described UFO there is a fourth component that is generated by the inductive kickback which you refer to as cold electricity (I like that better than negative energy). It is created by the inductive kickback very much like the inductive kickback is created by the hot energy spike into a coil. So As I understand, this is where the whole trick to asymmetry resides. if you don't do it right you don't get ICE cold batteries, transistors, motors etc.

Is this anywhere close to your ideas?

Les

[wonza]

Sorry Wonza...
The set up (Motors) could easily run just directly from battery terminals (linear), but, of course, you will be running them at full speed...so, yes, to control speed is just like any other motor...with a pulsed controller.
Sorry Man!!

Regards

Ufopolitics

Don't be sorry! thats awesome! If it really is that simple I mean. I was mostly wanting to know if I would need any other parts. I pretty much have nothing, not even a soldering iron or multimeter- I barely remembered how a motor worked a week a go, so you please go easy on me

[Ufopolitics]

No Timer Controller required either...

It clearly did you saying it doesnt require PM made me think that was more of a requirement. Your comment about the two radioshack motors in the other thread made me think this too. Please forgive my noobnees- still trying to learn.

Am I right in thinking the setup will require a circuit-timer side, to control a switching or a pulse of voltage?

Sorry Wonza...
The set up (Motors) could easily run just directly from battery terminals (linear), but, of course, you will be running them at full speed...so, yes, to control speed is just like any other motor...with a pulsed controller.
Sorry Man!!

Regards

Ufopolitics

[wonza]

It clearly did you saying it doesnt require PM made me think that was more of a requirement. Your comment about the two radioshack motors in the other thread made me think this too. Please forgive my noobnees- still trying to learn.

Am I right in thinking the setup will require a circuit-timer side, to control a switching or a pulse of voltage?

[Ufopolitics]

Sorry...Wonza,not close...

No magnets.. Interesting!

I'm going to take a wild stab and say you could have two coils next to each other, and charge then both in opposite directions, causing each half to be attracted to the other coil, then when they're aligned the voltage switches on both causing the closest sides to repel and then the other sides to attract again. Or something like that, though I'm probably way off

Hello Wonza,


Sorry but you misunderstood me when I wrote about PM ...read me again...I said for small and medium applications work perfect also...I was referring the set-up could be scaled up to any desired size, then it will work best with wound stators...

Sorry but your stab went through the air...

Regards

Ufopolitics

[kEhYo77]

Maybe it is something similar to Ismael Aviso's repelling force arrangement, where he has two coils and strong collapsing oscillations between the two cause tremendous force after a HV pulse and coil shorting at sine peaks...
Hmmm, maybe...

[wonza]

Hello John Stone,

Great post!...
Particularly

Excellent Analytic capabilities my friend!...very close!
Except, I do not "discriminate" between push or pull actions...using both forces, we obtain stronger and better balanced "Throw Out Forces"...
My Motors and Generators do not require magnets (However they all could use them, but at smaller-medium sizes)...and as a matter of fact, having Coils in Stators allow Us to obtain Radiant back from them...by oscillations and diodes arrangement you guys are already familiar with...

Permanent magnets are great, however, they do limit when we need larger models...where it is just very expensive to "Order to Spec's" a huge Ceramic Concave PM...While it results much cheaper to CAD the Profile of a Steel Lamination Stator and send it to be cut by Water-jet ...

And you guys will know now the famous quote from Nikola Tesla...

"If We only knew the magnificence of 3,6,9...will know many secrets of the Universe..."

Or something like...

Now the way you guys are analyzing and making conclusions about my future disclosure...I may not have to do it ...You would have figured it out by then...


Regards


Ufopolitics

No magnets.. Interesting!

I'm going to take a wild stab and say you could have two coils next to each other, and charge then both in opposite directions, causing each half to be attracted to the other coil, then when they're aligned the voltage switches on both causing the closest sides to repel and then the other sides to attract again. Or something like that, though I'm probably way off

[Ufopolitics]

Hello John Stone!

I do not know if my notions relate to the matter covered by Ufo but I want to share them.

As far I understood the motors from Adams and Bedini, they perform different from standard motors:
Attraction is performed by the magnets on the rotors along with the iron core of the stator. Not electromagentic in so far.

The magic begins after exact alignment between magnets / iron stator.
The electric voltage performed in departure mode of the magnets conforms to the same direction required to perform the push action. The push action is necessary in order to get rid of the attraction of the permanent magnets. No opposing generator action available!!!!!

Applying an external battery being switched on at exact that moment, gives positive feedback -> departure, generator effect, push action by the battery.

Same effect if we use additional coils not being operated by the battery. The usage of the current at the generator coils accellerates the rotor while supplying useful electric energy at same time.

Standard motors work different - in active attraction mode and therefore they fight against the generator effect instead using it as supporting friend. This can be seen in the great vid from P. Lindemann "The secreet of electric motors". He states that real performance is about 300% - added the extreme losses originating from overcoming the inherent generator effect. What we see externally is the summed up low performance below 100%

I feel that Ufo makes use of the same or similar effect but in another arrangement being aligned mechanically more to the current motor designs.
I assume that - coils after being energized for push action (not pull like standard) - will be disconnected and so they can supply the generator current while using the magnetic side effect for additional push action!
Differnt from Bedini the coils are not dedicated as drive and generator coils but they perform both tasks alternatively depending on the current position in the revolving cycle. SAMRT!

This is my current starting point in terms of my notions. I am extremely curious what disclosure is to come soon!

Hello John Stone,

Great post!...
Particularly

I feel that Ufo makes use of the same or similar effect but in another arrangement being aligned mechanically more to the current motor designs.
I assume that - coils after being energized for push action (not pull like standard) - will be disconnected and so they can supply the generator current while using the magnetic side effect for additional push action!
Differnt from Bedini the coils are not dedicated as drive and generator coils but they perform both tasks alternatively depending on the current position in the revolving cycle. SMART!

This is my current starting point in terms of my notions. I am extremely curious what disclosure is to come soon!

Excellent Analytic capabilities my friend!...very close!
Except, I do not "discriminate" between push or pull actions...using both forces, we obtain stronger and better balanced "Throw Out Forces"...
My Motors and Generators do not require magnets (However they all could use them, but at smaller-medium sizes)...and as a matter of fact, having Coils in Stators allow Us to obtain Radiant back from them...by oscillations and diodes arrangement you guys are already familiar with...

Permanent magnets are great, however, they do limit when we need larger models...where it is just very expensive to "Order to Spec's" a huge Ceramic Concave PM...While it results much cheaper to CAD the Profile of a Steel Lamination Stator and send it to be cut by Water-jet ...

And you guys will know now the famous quote from Nikola Tesla...

"If We only knew the magnificence of 3,6,9...will know many secrets of the Universe..."

Or something like...

Now the way you guys are analyzing and making conclusions about my future disclosure...I may not have to do it ...You would have figured it out by then...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[JohnStone]

I do not know if my notions relate to the matter covered by Ufo but I want to share them.

As far I understood the motors from Adams and Bedini, they perform different from standard motors:
Attraction is performed by the magnets on the rotors along with the iron core of the stator. Not electromagentic in so far.

The magic begins after exact alignment between magnets / iron stator.
The electric voltage performed in departure mode of the magnets conforms to the same direction required to perform the push action. The push action is necessary in order to get rid of the attraction of the permanent magnets. No opposing generator action available!!!!!

Applying an external battery being switched on at exact that moment, gives positive feedback -> departure, generator effect, push action by the battery.

Same effect if we use additional coils not being operated by the battery. The usage of the current at the generator coils accellerates the rotor while supplying useful electric energy at same time.

Standard motors work different - in active attraction mode and therefore they fight against the generator effect instead using it as supporting friend. This can be seen in the great vid from P. Lindemann "The secreet of electric motors". He states that real performance is about 300% - added the extreme losses originating from overcoming the inherent generator effect. What we see externally is the summed up low performance below 100%

I feel that Ufo makes use of the same or similar effect but in another arrangement being aligned mechanically more to the current motor designs.
I assume that - coils after being energized for push action (not pull like standard) - will be disconnected and so they can supply the generator current while using the magnetic side effect for additional push action!
Differnt from Bedini the coils are not dedicated as drive and generator coils but they perform both tasks alternatively depending on the current position in the revolving cycle. SAMRT!

This is my current starting point in terms of my notions. I am extremely curious what disclosure is to come soon!

[boguslaw]

I will give you a riddle in the meantime....

You are trying to get your drink in obscure dark canteen however there are two tipsy soldiers the kind you want not to know closer and they both are occupying the bar. You know that they will not allow you to get your drink, they want to beat you rather the fight is " in the air" .
You know that there is only one solution to this situation....they are two you are one what to do ? The fight is called Lenz law btw...

You know ...they have to fight with each other and forget about you.

[thugugly]

Also batteries.

If you have a cable company nearby, they replace thier 12v gel bateries at 60 % down. I get them for $5 a piece.

I found a tech who said he would get as many as i wanted. I hope to have over 100 of these over the next year.

Peace Thug