Symmetric versus Asymmetric Electromagnetic Systems

[sebosfato]

Thats really great, thanks for the rapid and clear answers.

I had a dream the other day that i had free energy right here and a motor or alternator was smoking...

I wrote a question to you at your youtube video about the homopolar motor.

Is the back torque on the homopolar caused also by a counter magnetic field?

Because if that is the case, few turns of wire around the disk forming positive magnetic field reinforcing feedback derived from the current draw would create a reaction less generator action. Wouldn't it?

I think it could even work on ac and be self exited.

Would an alternator be able to break the symmetry? or maybe an induction ac motor?

This got me light all night!

Thanks again

Fabio

[Ufopolitics]

Hello

Hello, thanks for this.

If you load the 20volts output, the power output is greater than input? i mean V*I

Yes it is, this motors when "on load" produce more, obviously, this type of motors works with the "C EMF" on our favor, so, the more the load the more the power, just because the ratio of Time Versus Current Increases, because of load closing circuit on output, this creates a stronger magnetic field on right side of symmetric plane (Output)

Does the speed change?

Very slightly changes the Humming tone, just because there is an "Unbalance" like I said before...one side is loading, so it starts a bit more drag.

If you turn a generator with this motor the power output is greater than unity?

I have turned a Generator of same type, yes both produce output, Motor 50% and Generator 100%, add them...

Thats what you are saying?

Yes, that is what am saying

Best Regards

Regards

Ufopolitics

[sebosfato]

Hello, thanks for this.

If you load the 20volts output, the power output is greater than input? i mean V*I

Does the speed change?

If you turn a generator with this motor the power output is greater than unity?

Thats what you are saying?

Best Regards

[Ufopolitics]

Back clip disconnected

UFOPolitics,

I understand why you would rather stay up than sleep now.

That is fantastic!

What happened at the end of video three (about 5:10 mark) while you slowed it down the meter on the right (output) stayed around 20. Then it dropped down to close to what the left meter (input) was reading? Did a clip pop off?

I assume others would ask you this as well.

Keep up the great work!

IndianaBoys



PS - Video 1 may not have loaded correctly (says Video is currently being processed. Please check back in a few minutes). The link looks different than video 2 & 3.

Hello Indiana,

Yes, Back Clip disconnected at last, I noticed when I was uploading/watching video...

The First Vid will load soon...I was so tired than I turned off the Modem...when I left PC on Uploading...sorry, am uploading it now...

Regards


Ufopolitics

[wonza]

Hey Ufo,

Great videos, very cool to see the thing running. Personally I don't mind rough videos, it's just great to see it in action. I'd love to see that little battery driving one of those larger motors! It'd also be interesting to see what happens to the voltages when putting a load on both mechanical/electrical outputs.

[IndianaBoys]

UFOPolitics,

I understand why you would rather stay up than sleep now.

That is fantastic!

What happened at the end of video three (about 5:10 mark) while you slowed it down the meter on the right (output) stayed around 20. Then it dropped down to close to what the left meter (input) was reading? Did a clip pop off?

I assume others would ask you this as well.

Keep up the great work!

IndianaBoys

PS - Video 1 may not have loaded correctly (says Video is currently being processed. Please check back in a few minutes). The link looks different than video 2 & 3.

UPDATE - new link for video #1 VID00056 - YouTube

[Ufopolitics]

Videos On Radio Shack Motor

Ok Guys,

I made the videos...no sleep yet (Just for You All, except for Farmhand...so make sure He DO NOT watch them please... )

Videos are RAW, as they came out from FLIP CAM, to my PC, to You Tube.
No Editing, No Blending frames, nothing, just as I film it..."for sake of veracity"...and hoping Farmhand will believe me ...However, He may say Meters are "Arranged"...
They are classified as "Unlisted"...so, they will NOT appear in my channel publicly, as I am not going to post them in You Tube ..I like nice videos, not this CRAP..That's me, sorry...I DO Mind.
Now FLIP CAM Memory was Full while filming them, so I had to keep selecting/deleting old videos so I had room to keep going...therefore they are broken in Three Parts...

Below are all links to them..however, number one video (VID00056) is still not finished yet as of now, which is the longest one and I need to go to sleep...so keep checking...it is about the first part, measuring continuity and showing differences between two motors in the windings...however I forgot FLIP does not have an "Auto-Focus" so close up is a bit blurry ...but is fine.
The testing part can be seen great. Enjoy...

VID 000 is the title assigned by FLIP Cam


PART 2 (VID00057)

VID00057 - YouTube


PART 3 (VID00058) FINAL

VID00058 - YouTube


Part 1 (VID00056) (Not finished Uploading as of now and YT gave me this Auto assigned link, do not know if it will work after processing, or robot will assign another link...then tomorrow)


VID00056 - YouTube


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Wrong, wrong...

That was a bit nasty.. Just post what you feel like posting and leave it for the community to review without these disdainful stipulations.

Hey Shanjag,

I think you've got it all wrong dear, Farmhand and I go a long way back of long disputes , discussions and arguments, back and forth about FE and OU...and this I posted was a joke to him, He knows that...I know He will never change, no matter how many videos I will show...He will not trust any over-unity device, ever...

So, reserve your "critics" about two "senior members" arguments...


Cheer up, is real



Ufopolitics

[Shanjaq]

Farmhand,
Will , watching my video change your pessimism?...Your Skepticism?...
Will it "transform" you in a "believer" in OU and FE Possibility?...or reality?
...
You tell me...However, you have to compromise in front of this whole Thread to keep your word..
Ufopolitics

That was a bit nasty.. Just post what you feel like posting and leave it for the community to review without these disdainful stipulations.

[Ufopolitics]

Hello John Stone

Hi Ufopolitics,
that's a masterpiece Sir! Now it is more understandable it took much time. Thanks a lot!
You intend to prove the following story to not be true:

Two globes meet in the space.

• Globe A: Hi, nice to see you. How are you?
• Globe B: Thanks very well. Life is marvelous. And you?
• Globe A: Oh, I'm not well at all.
• Globe B: What is your concern my friend? Can I help?
• Globe A: Oh, I'm infected with homo sapiens! No doctor can help!
• Globe B: Don't worry my friend. It's seasonal only!

@ALL:
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1.
These guys wait to be treated from their bewitched existence. They are manufactured by Johnson and are scanveged from two identical and defect cordless drills. 12V 10A. These "defect" drills are sold from time to time at ebay in sets of 5 or 10.

@ Ufo:
a) Is this the right material or next steps?
b) Not shure how the windings are connected. Do we need to rewind the coils later on?

2.
In the background you see FETs 900V 10A out of some scavenged PC PSUs (Manufacturer Enermax 500W). They are ready monted on heatsink. Two guys on every heatsink, isolated mounting. Lots other parts like high current / high voltage diodes on heatsink.....
In order to get high effitiency and space savings the PC PSUs are built as primary switched models. Therefore they need high voltage FETs and diodes.

John, I am so sorry I did not see the pictures uploaded when I read your post!!...so I went directly to the lines with "@Ufo"...

Now, those Motors are grrreat for this!!, awesome, and very, very simple to make!!!
Those are the three poles ones, and I have the ones (same body type) made for R/C purposes, they are the ones that just need three coils...but the thing is...you have to run one end of each coil to each same commutator upper and lower...This motors will do impress you...for output.
I have wound them with 26 awg wire (finer than the one shown there...) this allows around 60 to 80 turns...on each independent coil.

Hope you did not throw them away!


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Hi UFO, So this is a claim of an electrical C.O.P. of 2 to 1.3 or 200% to 133% efficient ? Very impressive, do you
have that on video ? Not sure about anyone else but I would like to see that.

Best regards.

Farmhand,

We come for a pretty long way of arguments about FE...here on this Forum...so I will ask you one question...not to create any long discussions...

Will , watching my video change your pessimism?...Your Skepticism?...
Will it "transform" you in a "believer" in OU and FE Possibility?...or reality?

Because if it will do so, I F***** swear I will post it tonight ASAP that I get to my Lab...and set cams and the whole thing...

Or are you going to be looking for "where I connected" the "extra source cable"...or the Inverter?...or looking if the scene "jump" any frames?...catching a "Hoax"?

If it it for this, I will not move a single finger to do it...

You tell me...However, you have to compromise in front of this whole Thread to keep your word..


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Farmhand]

Hello Truesearch,

The little Radio Shack produces double to 1 1/3 of Input at linear feeding, however, when you feed through a control pulsed , it gets more output...

Ufopolitics

Hi UFO, So this is a claim of an electrical C.O.P. of 2 to 1.3 or 200% to 133% efficient ? Very impressive, do you
have that on video ? Not sure about anyone else but I would like to see that.

Best regards.

[Ufopolitics]

I have done that...

@ufopolitics:

Would you guess that your re-wound asymmetrical motors produce maybe twice the output as a comparable symmetrical one?

I'm also wondering about a "what-if". . . what about using two of your asymmetrical motors coupled together with 1 as a driver (powered by battery) and the other as a generator. What would would be the input (volts/amps) VS. output (volts/amps)?

truesearch

Hello Truesearch,

It depends the Model Type, to produce Double or triple the Input...it depends if it has 4 stators or two...of how many poles-coils it has...etc

The little Radio Shack produces double to 1 1/3 of Input at linear feeding, however, when you feed through a control pulsed , it gets more output...

Yes, I have done that on face to face...works awesome...One motor as Generator and One as Motor...but remember the Motor one will also output power..so they could be connected in series Output from Motor to both outputs of generator also in series...
However, when you do this connections, facing each others, the Motor that would play as Generator and let's say they are both "Twins" identical models...so the Gen one will deliver the power opposite to the Motor was set to...Meaning, where the Motor Inputs Positive it will give you Negative, and so the other terminals, so, in order that they assist each others in rotation this must be understood. Connecting them wrong will not perform as well , since they will oppose each others...And I meant when you connect Output from Motor to Gen-Motor connections...don't know if you "copy me" right?


Regards


Ufopolitics

[truesearch]

@ufopolitics:

Would you guess that your re-wound asymmetrical motors produce maybe twice the output as a comparable symmetrical one?

I'm also wondering about a "what-if". . . what about using two of your asymmetrical motors coupled together with 1 as a driver (powered by battery) and the other as a generator. What would would be the input (volts/amps) VS. output (volts/amps)?

truesearch

[Ufopolitics]

Hello

If you were to eliminate Generating Action the motor would run at Stall Current regardless of RPM, which would produce a flat Torque/RPM Profile and Runaway Condition, for which the Source pays dearly. Generating Action is like a Wall, it doesn't consume it just blocks.

I am not eliminating Generator Action...I am just, NOT creating it by reversing polarity...Nature produces it...and it assist, instead of oppose...why should I create it?!

Sorry, but none of my Motors Stalls...and they have more torque than a Symmetric model where the one I have built came from, same body, same model type, same diameter and weight of armature core spec's...except it is not wound same, is Asymmetric. And as a matter of fact my Armatures weight more...(more Copper than symmetric)...however, it moves faster and heavier than...and starting torque will twist your entire body if you hold the shaft...

We have been "taught" that the fake constructed C EMF is "good" to certain point of performance...it is a way to justify its creation...but it burns and produces heat, and it cost way too much to get to rotate a machine to barely do its job...

However, if you like "Symmetry World"...just be there...I am not "holding you" from liking it...

I DON'T, I have found way much better performance, super efficient machines, very inexpensive to run...and more...in Asymmetrical Systems...


Regards


Ufopolitics