Use for the Tesla Switch

[SeaMonkey]

See thats your typical response. When faced with what you have not seen and you know little about. "We are the Fools", Nothing We see is the truth its only a lack of knowledge. Yet thats all you have for an explanation. Over and Over again.

I have to find out a few things.

Where did you get the info on Ronald Brandt? You said And I can go back and find the posts if for some reason you think I mistaken.
Ronald Brandt only got 4-6 time more work for the energy in his Batteries.
Where did that come from.?
Ronald Brandt had to desulphate his batteries before he could charge them.?
Where did that come from.?

All I want is the reference to those 2 things. Thats it. You've handed out reference material. Please give me the reference for those 2 statements.
And don't go getting them off of the first 2 pages of Google like you have everything else. Cause I have already read all that stuff.

I am positive Vissie and Stevan will be successful. They are hard working humble people ready to help and prove themselves. Humility is the key ingredient. Do you know that word Humility. The act of being Humble.

YOUR NOT!!!

You should take Vissies advice and start your own thread. You'll find interested people initially but sooner or later they'll need proof as well. Unfortunately since you have showed up we have force to share in the background through private message.
No one right now trusts you and almost everybody who frequents this thread has posted there discontent and mistrust for you.
We believe you came hear to derial this conversation and any progress on it.

I am only going to ask one time, Please start your own thread and leave this one alone. If you care about the newcomer you will.

Matt

It's interesting how dis-info gets started. It's
almost like the game of 'telephone.'

Ronald Brandt stated in an interview that his device
extended the useful life of his batteries per charge
but that it would ultimately run down. The batteries
would require periodic charges to keep them going.
The device that he was describing was the one he
built for his automobile which was converted to electric.
This interview is available from at least two magazine
articles which appeared approximately 20 years ago.

It was not stated that his batteries required desulfation.
Only re-charging to compensate for the eventual
run-down of his device. It did not produce perpetual
motion.

Not a problem! The atmosphere in this particular rut
is a bit stale anyway.

For those who may want the 'secret' to a smoothly
functioning "Brandt-Tesla-Switch" which utilizes MosFets
as switches:

(1) Ordinary Low Side driver chips, preferably with an
opto-isolated input for isolation, are all that is necessary.
One for each of the six N-channel MosFets.

(2) A small toroidal transformer is utilized to bring power
to each of six driver circuits. The toroids are driven by
a high frequency oscillator of 50 ~ 100 KHz with the
output winding feeding a full wave voltage doubler to
produce a DC potential of 15 ~18 Volts to power the
MosFet Driver Chips.

The numbers of turns for the transformer (1:1) will be
determined empirically with 3 turns per volt as a starting point.
There are several chip devices which will serve well as
the Oscillator and Driver for the 6 toroidal transformers
whose primaries are parallel connected and fed through
'twisted pair' wiring to each. The total amount of power
required is not great.

Small Driver Boards are created for each of the MosFets
to be placed in close proximity to them.


(3) A Pulse Width Modulator Controller such as the 3525
is utilized to produce the drive pulses for the two banks
of batteries, switching the banks alternately between
"discharge" and "charge." The 3525 enables operation
over an adjustable range of frequencies with adjustable
pulse width 'duty cycle' and dead time.

(4) Some diagrams show capacitors in the output line
to the load. Their only purpose is to prevent a continuous
DC current path to the load in the event of some sort
of switching malfunction. 1000 uF may not be large
enough; you may want to use 4700 uF with low ESR.

The 'polarity' of the 'loop' as shown in early drawings is
incorrect. Use the polarity provided in the simple drawing
which shows the positions of the MosFets in the 'loop.'
This will assure that each MosFet is oriented to properly
conduct 'loop current' and avoids 'conflict' with the
MosFet body diodes.

Yes, it does work.

How long will it run? Depends upon your skill and patience
in 'tuning' it.

[ldissing]

How do any of you truly BENEFIT from my work?

How would that improve your ability to think for
yourselves? To accept a challenge? To create
a solution? To learn something new by way of
one's own efforts?

Dave has the ability to make his diagram better.
Yet he has chosen to 'bail out.' Depriving many
of an opportunity to unravel the complexity of
his diode steering array.

Or, possibly Dave is unable to decipher it himself.

I'm sorry, but you do not seem to fully understand
what your experience has demonstrated to you.

This is one mighty deep rut that y'all are in...

Mr. Monkey,

Please start signing your posts with your real name, it is absurd to talk to a fiction.

I told you I would not write to you again, but you keep on posting and posting and writing and slamming and ....

You are right on with some of your points, so learn us sompin'. Teach us to be better engineers, get us out of the rut. Contribute man, contribute. You act and sound like you are an authority, so be one. Suggest the alternatives that you so eloquently write about. Why do you continue to write things that have no "real" meaning, just to say that we are in a rut. That should be obvious, really. This has been going on for 2 years before JB and 1 year after JB, and JB did contribute a thing or two. Would you be willing to actually build something and/or contribute?

How does one get out of a rut? Test, test, test, but then again if one doesn't understand what one sees and the results one gets, then that is all mute. Make a freakin' contribution and quit telling us we are in a rut....stating the obvious is folly.

My contention is that this is all about resonance and none of know that much about it, so why don't you in your intellectual superiority educate us on what resonance means. I'm not even being snide with the previous sentence, you seem to want to help, (maybe just the newbies), but it is the builders and the old timers that want this to work more than the newbies. So, help the old timers and you WILL help the new guys, but not with the crap you've been spouting.

You seem to like putting down Dave, or Matt or me, or whomever, but this is doing nothing and you are trying to play mind games. I know what you are and others will finally decide this too if given enough time. You could help those who have built the TS while others just watch and wait for someone to tell them they "have it". Is that what you are also looking for? Perhaps, you can help, but do you have it within you?

Are you willing to suck up your ego? Are you willing to put an idea forth? Do you have any...I think you do, don't be so afraid. We won't tell you you are an idiot for trying....trying is the name of the game in an adventurous game...is this not a game?

Leroy

[Matthew Jones]

See thats your typical response. When faced with what you have not seen and you know little about. "We are the Fools", Nothing We see is the truth its only a lack of knowledge. Yet thats all you have for an explanation. Over and Over again.

I have to find out a few things.

Where did you get the info on Ronald Brandt? You said And I can go back and find the posts if for some reason you think I mistaken.
Ronald Brandt only got 4-6 time more work for the energy in his Batteries.
Where did that come from.?
Ronald Brandt had to desulphate his batteries before he could charge them.?
Where did that come from.?

All I want is the reference to those 2 things. Thats it. You've handed out reference material. Please give me the reference for those 2 statements.
And don't go getting them off of the first 2 pages of Google like you have everything else. Cause I have already read all that stuff.

I am positive Vissie and Stevan will be successful. They are hard working humble people ready to help and prove themselves. Humility is the key ingredient. Do you know that word Humility. The act of being Humble.

YOUR NOT!!!

You should take Vissies advice and start your own thread. You'll find interested people initially but sooner or later they'll need proof as well. Unfortunately since you have showed up we have force to share in the background through private message.
No one right now trusts you and almost everybody who frequents this thread has posted there discontent and mistrust for you.
We believe you came hear to derial this conversation and any progress on it.

I am only going to ask one time, Please start your own thread and leave this one alone. If you care about the newcomer you will.

Matt

[SeaMonkey]

I'm not worried about a thing.

You got anything to offer other than that supreme little attitude. Drawing anything recently. How bout another elementary schematic for the new guys.
How bout maybe your version of Dave's Schematic. You know the easy you insist upon.

And I guess the rest of what I wrote is not worth responding to HUH? OR what you scared to speculate over real research? HUH??



Matt

How do any of you truly BENEFIT from my work?

How would that improve your ability to think for
yourselves? To accept a challenge? To create
a solution? To learn something new by way of
one's own efforts?

Dave has the ability to make his diagram better.
Yet he has chosen to 'bail out.' Depriving many
of an opportunity to unravel the complexity of
his diode steering array.

Or, possibly Dave is unable to decipher it himself.

I'm sorry, but you do not seem to fully understand
what your experience has demonstrated to you.

This is one mighty deep rut that y'all are in...

[SeaMonkey]

Back popping is the same thing. If you wanna see it in the battery can only look at remnants as it hits the plates. A small oscillation and this will be apparent if you build a sniffer like John Koorn talked about. Wrap the the power wire with a coils so you can see the disturbance the incoming charge causes.

I truly believe after reading the article on Brandt, in which he talks about the 900hz and the new batteries not oscillating correctly in new batteries, wasn't looking in the right direction. The oscillation is at a slower pace. Not faster.
At least that what I think I have seen.

So anyway there is my little speech based on EXPERIENCE take it or leave it.

Matt

The Oscillation that results when 'banging' either
a battery or a circuit with a very sharp pulse is
known as a "Parasitic Oscillation" which is the
result of the distributed Capacitance and Inductance
being "shock excited" into a damped oscillation which
rapidly dissipates.

Under the right circumstances even a piece of
wire can be made to oscillate.

That you have EXPERIENCE is abundantly clear.

But, do you really understand what that experience
is revealing to you?

This entire community of "Radiant Energy" and
"Overunity" is rife with misconception and dis-info.
Much of what is available in the way of literature is
sheer fantasy. Too many who are experimenting
with the various "devices" are chasing phantoms
because they are lacking in the technical understanding
which would enable them to "focus" on what is real.

This is not necessarily bad because in due time, if
the experimenters are diligent, knowledge will
accumulate and a desire to learn more will arise.

Also, discernment will set in. One can only be 'fooled'
so many times...

Mistakes are how we learn. Well, how most of us learn.

Failure is simply a "learning experience." Or, more
appropriately, an OPPORTUNITY for a learning experience.

Got a few UPTIGHT folks in this here forum. Frustrated
and disillusioned. Yet, tenaciously 'clinging' to their
'territory.' Stuck so deep in the 'rut' that it isn't
possible to entertain thought of a way out. Resistant
to any suggestion of "another way."

Oh well. Rome was not built in a day. This MosFet
driven Tesla Switch may yet be some ways from
becoming a reality.

I suspect if anyone of you do find "the way" it will
be Stevan or Vissie. Eric almost had it.

Even a 'fool' can follow instructions yet that is what
the majority seem to be craving. Instructions.

It certainly would be nice if some 'creative thinking'
would begin to sprout in massive quantity.

Thankfully, a couple of Men in the group have shown
the ability to pick it up and run with it.

[Matthew Jones]

I'm not worried about a thing.

You got anything to offer other than that supreme little attitude. Drawing anything recently. How bout another elementary schematic for the new guys.
How bout maybe your version of Dave's Schematic. You know the easy you insist upon.

And I guess the rest of what I wrote is not worth responding to HUH? OR what you scared to speculate over real research? HUH??



Matt

[SeaMonkey]

You've seem to make that paper a mantra for yourself.
I've been the my own boss at minimum since I was 21 years old. 17 years I have never shot a good idea down. If we weren't on the Internet I would give you a peek at my success. Its a big number for person 38 years into life.
That paper describes intolerable behavior from a leader IMHO.
But each to his own....

On to buisness.

...


Matt

It's not surprising that you missed the point.

It's about the Group Dynamic.

The source of Conflict.

Narrowing the Choices.

Reaction to Rejection.

How to Maturely Accept Criticism.

And you're worried about who might be the BOSS?

[Matthew Jones]

I should go on to explain why. When the battery gets hit with an incoming pulse and that pulse is large enough to accumulate as a skin charge, (voltage that will dissipate or absorb quickly once the system is off IE shut off the battery charger and watch the battery voltage drop.) the spike will happen sometime in between when the battery gets hit and when discharges. It shows up at discharge because the energy is not electricity as we know it, it is a radiant or negative charge like transient spike. Fast, zero time movement, pure voltage, how ever you wanna say it, its not the same thing. And you cannot see it on the scope until it leaves the environment of the battery. And will only leave if the potential in the battery is high enough to form a skin charge that is not absorbing into the plates.

Back popping is the same thing. If you wanna see it in the battery can only look at remnants as it hits the plates. A small oscillation and this will be apparent if you build a sniffer like John Koorn talked about. Wrap the the power wire with a coils so you can see the disturbance the incoming charge causes.

I truly believe after reading the article on Brandt, in which he talks about the 900hz and the new batteries not oscillating correctly in new batteries, wasn't looking in the right direction. The oscillation is at a slower pace. Not faster.
At least that what I think I have seen.

So anyway there is my little speech based on EXPERIENCE take it or leave it.

Matt

[Matthew Jones]

Read This - Study This

You've seem to make that paper a mantra for yourself.
I've been the my own boss at minimum since I was 21 years old. 17 years I have never shot a good idea down. If we weren't on the Internet I would give you a peek at my success. Its a big number for person 38 years into life.
That paper describes intolerable behavior from a leader IMHO.
But each to his own....

On to buisness.

We're trying to see something that occurs
within the battery chemistry in response to
amperage demands of a load which is pulsed.
What we are seeking evidence of will, if Bearden
and Bedini are correct, occur following the
impulse of current. What we want to establish
is the delay time between the pulse and the
"event."
Where it will occur on the time-line is the question.
Does it appear immediately following the pulse, or
is it several microseconds following the pulse? Or,
several milliseconds following the pulse?
Once we know "where" the event takes place
then we can predict the frequency range of the
Tesla Switch.
IF the 'event' takes place at all.

You have have it backwards. At least the time-line of events anyway.
The battery receives a pulse of current. The ions turn around.
Then when you ask the battery for a discharge, thats when the spike happens.
You won't see it across one battery. You have to look at the serial connection. You have to put the probe on the hot side and the ground of the probe on the ground side. When you activate the switch the general shape of the pulse will go negative on the scope into a square wave. At the leading edge of the square wave you should see a spike. Sometimes small sometimes big.
That the energy coming from the reversal in a TS. It doesn't show up when the battery gets hit it show up when the battery releases it.

And it does happen.

Matt

[SeaMonkey]

Selection of the Species

Read This - Study This

[SeaMonkey]

The progress of the TS PVAmp with MOSFET and nsec ragne "Que":
I have soldered the power-stage (IRF3205 55V failover, 53A DC, 150A surge) and the Schottky diodes (MBRS2060 60V, 20Amp DC, 150A max surge) and started to layout cables.

The sketch is roughly this (there are errors and inconsistencies yet, but it is "very about it"):

(soon to be continued...)

I am truly impressed!

Your work is very professional.

Your agile mind and the way that you arrive
at 'solutions' to challenges is admirable.

[SeaMonkey]

As I said before I usually don't do schematic.
so draw it up however you need to to understand it.


If you can make it better ... well by all means do so and show us.
I have a MUCH bigger project to spend my time on

You may be disappointing a great many potential
"fans" who are hoping you'll come through.

Is all your work thus far for naught?

[SeaMonkey]

Should this test not be the other way round.
Look at the pulse on the battery terminals when we discharge a charged capacitor to the battery through a mosfet for different pulse widths
Or when feeding a coil's flyback pulse to the battery?
I believe you will need a good scope to see battery resonance in the Mhz regions

We're trying to see something that occurs
within the battery chemistry in response to
amperage demands of a load which is pulsed.

What we are seeking evidence of will, if Bearden
and Bedini are correct, occur following the
impulse of current. What we want to establish
is the delay time between the pulse and the
"event."

Where it will occur on the time-line is the question.

Does it appear immediately following the pulse, or
is it several microseconds following the pulse? Or,
several milliseconds following the pulse?

Once we know "where" the event takes place
then we can predict the frequency range of the
Tesla Switch.

IF the 'event' takes place at all.

[DoubleD]

Your diagram may indeed be a workable solution.


You have devoted a great deal of time to figuring a
way to make the Floating MosFets receive sufficient
drive to switch quickly and efficiently. Why not devote
a little more time to making it readily 'visible' to ALL
who may wish to understand?

I do not believe you are finished yet...

As I said before I usually don't do schematic.
so draw it up however you need to to understand it.


If you can make it better ... well by all means do so and show us.
I have a MUCH bigger project to spend my time on

[SeaMonkey]

@SeaMonkey,
Okay, what would be the preffered devices?
A. IRL2204N?
B. IRF3205?
C. Or IRFP260 (55mOhm) but capable of blocking 200V?


1. This looks like one winding primary (10..30 turns as in the article) and 8-filar secondary?
2. How do we test our (different) cores to the right wire gauges?
3. Shall the Primery to secondary copper masses be in balance?
4. How much of a "umph" should the xfmr drive have V? @ A? for what MOSFET set?
5. This looks like a 3 stage project to me: "Quer-"; "driver-"; "power-" - whit BIG troublle in the middle
6. Do we feed the MOSFETs with coaxial cables or twisted pairs their respective "Que" singnals? Do we match trace lengths and to what exact level?
7. Do we size the driver stage to quad "Que" power devices (four devices in parallel) od we make that in a second (scaled up) attempt? How do we control drive level?
8. this is it at the moment

Stevan C.

Aha! Very good questions!

For the "preferred devices." Any MosFet which has
a sufficiently high voltage rating, current rating,
a reasonable Rds(on) rating, is readily available and
is cheap is the "one." In the beginning use what you
have or what you're able to get easily. later, you
will make other choices as you see fit.

Toroidal Transformer drive for the MosFet does have
limitations. It is suited well for specific applications
but it is not a good option for many others.

For the Tesla Switch we need a drive capability
which is amenable to widely varying frequencies
and pulse widths. At least, in the 'adjustment' phase
of getting it going.

I provided a link to Eric's simple diagram which had
a very interesting 'suggestion' with respect to the
Driver Chips. At the time he raised this possibility
there many not have been a readily apparent means
to accomplish his suggestion.

Transformers may be used for 'pulsing' and they may
be used for 'power.' At high frequencies a tiny transformer
is capable of transferring considerable power.

What are you thinking now?