Hubbard Coil

[dragon]

interesting video...

Nice video... quite interesting. Are these all just picking up ambient energy that is showing on the scope? There are no shorting coils?

I did a short experiment with 3 coils, one outer coil as a reciever a center coil shorted and an inner coil as an output. There was a dampening effect with the shorted coil and a somewhat reduced voltage of the central coil.

One thing I did find interesting in the test... I measured the gauss produced by the coil without the central coil shorted, it reached 105 gauss. With the central coil shorted the gauss went up over 600. Also the input for the driver circuit was reduced considerably using the shorted coil in the center.

Oddly enough my scope produced a very similar wave to yours. I was driving it at a higher frequency but it still had very similar effects.
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[morpher44]

response to dragon

Nice video... quite interesting. Are these all just picking up ambient energy that is showing on the scope? There are no shorting coils?

I did a short experiment with 3 coils, one outer coil as a reciever a center coil shorted and an inner coil as an output. There was a dampening effect with the shorted coil and a somewhat reduced voltage of the central coil.

One thing I did find interesting in the test... I measured the gauss produced by the coil without the central coil shorted, it reached 105 gauss. With the central coil shorted the gauss went up over 600. Also the input for the driver circuit was reduced considerably using the shorted coil in the center.

Oddly enough my scope produced a very similar wave to yours. I was driving it at a higher frequency but it still had very similar effects.

@ dragon

re: ambient energy
In this video, a Joule Thief run from a 1.5 V D-cell is
driving down to a auto ignition coil. The ignition coil is producing
a magnetic flux easily received by the Hubbard-like coil.
I wouldn't call this ambient ... since there is a 1.5 D-cell involved.
Hubbard, when he demonstrated his coil driving a 35 HP motor boat
likely was "tuned" to a signal sent from another coil he had
on the shoreline -- connected to 4 1200 foot antenna.
So you could call that ambient energy, but I suspect it was
VLF RF energy.

re: outer-coil, core-coil
I had 6 outer-coils wired in series ... around the circle.
I had no capacitor .. but if I add one, I can tune that part via
the capacitor. There is implicit capacitance for this coil in terms
of its self resonance. The scope's CH1 was wired to the inner
core. I have not yet wound a 3rd outer-outer coil around the entire
thing.
I realize that the 6-coils each will make the signal they receive simultaneously shift just under 180 degrees before passing it
along to the next one. 180 is nice since it supports regenerative
oscillations. So it makes sense to wire them up in a circle -- in
series.
I would like to hear more about your experiment if you wouldn't
mind explaining it in more detail.
It is very interesting to hear the gauss increases.

NOTE: Hubbard used 8 coils around his central core ... not 6 ... but
6 allows them to be all the same diameter and is a bit less time consuming to make.

[dragon]

@ dragon

re: ambient energy
In this video, a Joule Thief run from a 1.5 V D-cell is
driving down to a auto ignition coil. The ignition coil is producing
a magnetic flux easily received by the Hubbard-like coil.
I wouldn't call this ambient ... since there is a 1.5 D-cell involved.
Hubbard, when he demonstrated his coil driving a 35 HP motor boat
likely was "tuned" to a signal sent from another coil he had
on the shoreline -- connected to 4 1200 foot antenna.
So you could call that ambient energy, but I suspect it was
VLF RF energy.

re: outer-coil, core-coil
I had 6 outer-coils wired in series ... around the circle.
I had no capacitor .. but if I add one, I can tune that part via
the capacitor. There is implicit capacitance for this coil in terms
of its self resonance. The scope's CH1 was wired to the inner
core. I have not yet wound a 3rd outer-outer coil around the entire
thing.
I realize that the 6-coils each will make the signal they receive simultaneously shift just under 180 degrees before passing it
along to the next one. 180 is nice since it supports regenerative
oscillations. So it makes sense to wire them up in a circle -- in
series.
I would like to hear more about your experiment if you wouldn't
mind explaining it in more detail.
It is very interesting to hear the gauss increases.

NOTE: Hubbard used 8 coils around his central core ... not 6 ... but
6 allows them to be all the same diameter and is a bit less time consuming to make.

I'm still new at alot of the electronics aspects and terminology so you'll have to be a little forgiving when I say ambient but please continue to correct me as I'm still learning.

When I looked at the hubbard coil my first thought was that it was creating high amps inside the shorted coil to help increase the flux change in the internal coil to enhance the output... My simple test showed this does happen. It's possible he's using the dampening effect for oscillation purposes as well... I'm just speculating.

I had played with a shorted coil in some other experiments by looping it through toroid coils, by driving one of the coils all became excited as long as the coil is shorted. ( One joule thief would run several joule thieves by powering the toroids through the shorted ring). Sort of doing the same thing, creating high amps circulating in the ring. Almost the same as a tansformer using silicon steel but in a different way.

There was nothing elaborate in my test, a piece of 1 1/4" PVC with 65 turns of 20 wire, a bare heavy 10 awg wire coiled to about 10 turns to fit in the center and a smaller coil with 40 turns of 20 around a small 1/2" PVC tube. I used a driver coil in close proximity to the larger coil with a circuit I had made up a bit ago, not unlike the joule thief but it runs at around 2mhz.

I tried it again using the function generator to see how it would react at or near resonance by winding a 5 turn coil around the outer coil connected to the FG. This is when I saw similar patterns to yours.

When time allows I will put together something similar to what you have to attempt some other tests and ideas. Like you said, if nothing else it may make a unique multi stage transformer....
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[morpher44]

ambient

When time allows I will put together something similar to what you have to attempt some other tests and ideas. Like you said, if nothing else it may make a unique multi stage transformer....

@dragon .. great. I look forward to seeing this....

I think receiving "ambient" energy would certainly be
the goal. I'm thinking there are enough lightning strikes
around the planet .. and I read today on an astronomy
website how certain frequencies are windows for energy
since signals from the cosmos are NOT damped by the
magnetic field and atmosphere in certain windows.
One school of thought has high-energy in the high-frequency
part of the spectrum.
Yet we see devices like the Hubbard coil which clearly use
ferromagnetic material and seem to be shooting for
low frequencies and high Q.

With large inductance, small capacitance, you can oscillate
quite easily (Q is high)... and sustain for much longer. You just
need a periodic PING of energy ... arriving in a high energy
burst ... to re-sustain the oscillations.

The waveforms I'm seeing seem to indicate that the ringing
is damped as the signal's polarity is shifting from positive to negative.
It is regenerative in the other direction from negative to positive.
This low-frequency flux change appears to open and close
windows of oscillation.

The way I imagine this might work is the following.
As the flux field enters the vicinity of the coil, the inductance
in the coil is altered up and down its B-H curve.
The dampening we see varies depending upon where we are
on this curve for that inductor.
There are certain parts of this curve were "gain" can
be experienced ... ... or "amplification occurs".

Before transistors ... there were magnetic amplifiers using
coils to provide amplification. These were desirable over tubes
for power & control applications -- hardened ... long lasting ... strong.
Tubes were too fragile.

Even today ... transistors are cheap yes, but they are very
low impedance devices ... easily fried ... not long lasting ...
also fragile.

Hubbard's unique geometry has a coil surrounding several coils ...
surrounding a core coil... A tri-layer transformer with interesting
mutual-induction, phase, self resonance properties to work out.
If the 8 coils he had are all hooked in series in a circle, as each
is receiving the wave from the central core, each will re-act
with the EMF, and back EMF. If resistance is kept very low,
the wave will travel through each of them close to 180 degrees
phase shifted. Two of them will provide a 360 shift.
With each 360 shift, we have regenerative oscillations.
This can be tuned to ring at any frequency you want by the help
of one capacitor in series with the set ... but care must be
taken with respect to "phase".
The inner core may not "feel" a back EMF ...the ring of
coils around it may produce a feedback that is dominantly
regenerative. As such, the central
core will not need to be supplied as much
juice as was initially provided to start -- input current may drop.

Next there would be a 3rd coil wrapped around the entire thing
... providing the last stage of the tri-transformer.

I'm thinking what might be interesting is to try to get
a Joule-thief-like circuit to run "un-powered" using a Hubbard coil.
The challenge here is one of knowing these phase relationships.
The transistor in the Joule-thief is inverting as it amplifies ... so
it is doing a shift too.

It may be possible to create a Joule-thief-like circuit w/o
a transistor ... and utilizing "old school" magnetic amplifier
technology ... with input energy from an antenna.
Now that would be cool.
We would need some help from some sharp physicists
or those with degrees in electronics. These mutual induction &
phase calculations are a bit tricky here.
To me though ... it seems doable ... and if Hubbard
achieved the results he did ... then certainly
with our modern tools and modern physics, we can light
an LED or NEON using only coils and capacitors
(batteries NOT included).

[dragon]

morpher44... did you wind them all the same direction or is everyother one CW then CCW. I plan to cut some tube this afternoon but I wasn't clear on that point and wanted to make sure before I started winding...
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[morpher44]

ccw

morpher44... did you wind them all the same direction or is everyother one CW then CCW. I plan to cut some tube this afternoon but I wasn't clear on that point and wanted to make sure before I started winding...

Looking from the top of the coil down I used CCW for all.
I'm guessing that as long as all coils are same direction, that
mutual induction will work most effectively.
However, it may not make a noticeable difference.

[dragon]

Looking from the top of the coil down I used CCW for all.
I'm guessing that as long as all coils are same direction, that
mutual induction will work most effectively.
However, it may not make a noticeable difference.

I wound up the 6 coils today, havent had alot of time to play with them but I did manage to run a couple tests...

First I wired them one coil to the other - top/top then bottom/bottom and so on but it seemed to cancel each other out then wired them top to bottom standard series and it worked well. That was why I asked about the coil windings, the 2007 patent showed it CW then CCW wiring them top/top-bottom/bottom... at least thats what it looked like to me.. kind of confusing looking at all the coils in the drawing.

Laying next to a coil that was driven with 5 volts and 3ma at 2mHz the outer coil connections would light 12 LED's in series very nicely. The series LED's are on an AV plug.

I used a function generator to drive the center coil, 10v p-p at around 5ma. Brought it to resonance at about 690khz and the 12 LED's would light nicely in close proximity to the outer coils - no contact was made.

The scope showed an almost perfect sine wave with around a 350 volt peak to peak output at resonance connected to the output leads on the outer series coils.

Definately some potential here. I'll probably play around with these as they are for a bit before I wind the outer shorting coils...
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[morpher44]

Hubbard Coil - Experiments with Mutual Induction

YouTube - Hubbard Coil - Experiments with Mutual Induction

[morpher44]

Inside a Capacitor?

The other patents that are similar to the Hubbard Coil
talk about ionizing the area where the coil resides to produce
a sort of "lighter" mass photon or some such.
There is mumbo jumbo about radiation, etc.

Ok... forget the radiation ... what happens if I put the coil
directly INSIDE a capacitor.

"Coilpacitor(TM)".


YouTube - Hubbard Coil - In a Capacitor?

[dragon]

great antenna...

I haven't played around with the 7 coils I made up a whole lot as yet but last night I was working with another coil set up and the "what if" kicked in..

I connected it to the little oscillator I had, running at 2.7mHz and found it puts out a very large field. It easily lights a series of 12 LED's on an AV plug without any connection. I was driving the center coil with only 1 wire and the outer 6 coils were wired in series - all connected or basically shorted. Kind of interesting as it would light just about anything on the table connected to an LED... and as well you could touch anything metal with an "LED on a stick" ( LED with an AV plug) and it would light.

I removed it from the circuit and installed another coil I've been working with ( standard nothing fancy ) and connected the Hubbard arrangment to the scope and moved it around the area the scope leads would reach. It seems to be an excellent antenna this way as well.

After shutting down the circuit I had the hubbard arrangement still connected to the scope and noticed some really small hatching in the line and adjusted the voltage... it was still picking up something in the area and showed a rather choppy sine wave of about a 1.5 volt p-p. It's quite possible it was picking up the CFL running overhead. Interesting none the less... almost 8ft away from the CFL and oscillating at 1.5 volt. One heck of an antenna, and a uniqe air core transformer.
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[wrtner]

I hadn't found this one before.
This looks similar to the Hubbard coil.

The self sustaining electric generator

Not Carter but Cater; Joseph Cater. [Important for googling]. A considerable
mention in Patrick's Chapter 5:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter5.pdf

Cater wrote a book called "The Awesome force". I'll try and find a
link.

[boguslaw]

Do you have Joseph H.Cater book ?

[MonsieurM]

I've been reading all I can find about the so called
"Hubbard Coil".

Alfred M. Hubbard: Coil Generator

Hubbard never got a patent, and yet we find
these patents:

Paul M. Brown - 4,835,433
Spitting image of the Hubbard coil.
Apparatus for direct conversion of ... - Google Patent Search
Mr. Brown was killed in a car crash:
Mike Kremer - The strange Legacy of Paul M. Brown Ph.D

William N. Barbat - Self-Sustaining Electric-Power Generator Utilizing Electrons of Low Internal Mass to Magnify Inductive Energy
Pub No. US2007/0007844 A1 Jan. 11, 2007
Self-sustaining electric-power ... - Google Patent Search
William Barbat: Self-Sustaining Electrical Generator; United States Patent Application # 0070007844

Both of these and perhaps other seems to use Hubbard's
coil as a nice 3-stage transformer design.

Why do we in the real-world not see Hubbard's coil in working
systems?

I would like to see some replications of Hubbard's coil, respecting
his thoughts on golden ratios, etc.
If I get some time, I'll attempt to replicate it myself.

I think it may be true that this design has certain "optimum" characteristics
that are useful ... even if you are using plane-ole vanilla AC currents
(i.e. no radiation).

Btw, Hubbard became one of the fathers of LSD.
Alfred Matthew Hubbard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

-- morpher44

This sound like fractal all over, i like the info morph44 thank you




ps: check out this thread a lot of info that might help you:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...collector.html



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ps another hubbard thread: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ur-help-2.html

[MonsieurM]

Btw, Hubbard became one of the fathers of LSD.
Alfred Matthew Hubbard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

-- morpher44

search lsd users and fractal figures...

Why are fractals so common in hallucinogenic trips? : Drugs

as the saying goes: To understand a man, you've got to walk a mile in his shoes, whether they fit or not.


this maybe the reason for lsd consumption, he understood that the universe is fractal...

personally i don't prone the use of lsd (or any man made drugs)

[MonsieurM]

I just realized one reason PHI appears in Hubbard's coil
diameter relationships.

Its because he selected to put 8 cylinder coils around his central coil.
Starting from the center of each of these 8, if you draw a line
to the center of the coil, you have a distance that can be derived
by dividing the circle up into 8 equal angles - 45 degrees.
Then using algebra, you can find the inner core diameter
relative to those outer coil diameters.
The ratio works out to be 1.613 ... which is very close to PHI.

Had Hubbard selected to put only 6 coils around his central
cylinder, I think that central cylinder would need to have
the SAME diameter as the outer cylinders.

PHI may be significant here for another reason, but it make
sense for it to appear here due to the simple fact that he
selected to use 8 coils around his core.

Funny you mention the number 8, a while back i posted this :

i hope this sentence will inspired someone when building a circuit: from the same link as the previous post

Leary began to divide the 8 circuits into 24 phases[

from this post: http://www.energeticforum.com/146336-post73.html