The bistander thread

[Turion]

I don't need to prove you wrong. Proof and facts are two different things. I have the facts AND the proof. I have given YOU the facts. Do what you want with them. It matters little to me. You're wrong. I know it. You are the one who doesn't know it. Your problem, not mine. You refuse to accept the FACTS and demand proof. Not in this lifetime.

The senecio I described above MEETS those criteria. You just don't read very well. No coils. 4 coils. 6 coils. vs 12 coils with magnets adjusted.
4 OR 6 coils with NO magnets draw more amps and slow the motor more than having all 12 coils with the magnets adjusted. Those are the FACTS. Thats all you get.

[bistander]

The EXACT same motor was used in three different videos. In one video there were NO coils in the machine. In a second video, there were 4 coils in the machine. In the third video, there were six coils in the machine and we were unable to run it off the power supply because the power supply only produced 13 amps and the motor was drawing more than that to turn the generator unloaded. S we ran it off the batteries. We never showed the machine with all 12 coils in it. What would be the use in that when we already showed that with only HALF the coils it exceeded what the power supply put out? The exact SAME power supply we used to run the motor with all TWELVE coils in place when the magnets were all adjusted. You will never get it. You don't listen.

So it was not the test as I described. You had a bunch of stuff going on, multiple builds, various parts combinations. To get a real comparison you need to keep all else equal and change only one variable, ie. anticogging magnets in and anticogging magnets out. With the new black design you wouldn't even have to turn it off while backing out the anticogging magnets. Just use a power driver with Allen bit and zip zip zip, watch the amps change. Easy as pie to prove me wrong. Does input to the motor go up, or down, or remain same? Want to learn something or prove me wrong? Show us all who's right.
bi

[Turion]

The EXACT same motor was used in three different videos. In one video there were NO coils in the machine. In a second video, there were 4 coils in the machine. In the third video, there were six coils in the machine and we were unable to run it off the power supply because the power supply only produced 13 amps and the motor was drawing more than that to turn the generator unloaded. S we ran it off the batteries. We never showed the machine with all 12 coils in it. What would be the use in that when we already showed that with only HALF the coils it exceeded what the power supply put out? The exact SAME power supply we used to run the motor with all TWELVE coils in place when the magnets were all adjusted. You will never get it. You don't listen.

[BroMikey]

On the black machine, was the 400 watt input measured with cores and anticogging magnets in place?

I am saying the black generator having 22 main magnets on the rotor will not draw less input power

out away from the rotor. Easy to prove me wrong, isn't it?
bi

The reading was less than 4 amps at 100v so it is easy to prove you wrong. You need to prove your abilities to follow directions. That battery and box you take pictures of does not prove anything. Anyone can pick up a battery and a box.

[bistander]

Wrong again oh great and powerful OZ. We ran that EXACT test and even posted the results on Greyland’s machine. (Actually MY machine at Greyland’s shop) Without the opposition magnets the motor draws over 27 amps. With the magnets it was drawing 12. He got it down to 9 amps with tweaking. The RPM of the motor was also lower without the magnets in place. I’ve told you this BEFORE. I’ve given you this information BEFORE. Round and round we go. If you think the CURRENT configuration draws fewer amps, you’re wrong. Because it has 22 magnets on the rotor instead of 12 it actually draws MORE amps without the magnets in place. You forget, I built one of this configuration already, and tested it already.

You simply CANNOT have that many coils on a machine without the opposition magnets. No matter how much you think you know, there are REASONS nobody has bothered to try and run a generator with an electric motor in the past. That’s the main one. That and Lenz, which we have shown how to avoid.

I remember that. It was far from the procedure that I outlined which will give an A vs B comparison without disassembly and reassembly. IIRC, you didn't even have the same drive motor for your previous tests.

On the black machine, was the 400 watt input measured with cores and anticogging magnets in place?

I am saying the black generator having 22 main magnets on the rotor will not draw less input power at the same equilibrium speed with the anticogging magnets adjusted vs having the anticogging magnets backed out away from the rotor. Easy to prove me wrong, isn't it?
bi

[Turion]

Wrong again oh great and powerful OZ. We ran that EXACT test and even posted the results on Greyland’s machine. (Actually MY machine at Greyland’s shop) Without the opposition magnets the motor draws over 27 amps. With the magnets it was drawing 12. He got it down to 9 amps with tweaking. The RPM of the motor was also lower without the magnets in place. I’ve told you this BEFORE. I’ve given you this information BEFORE. Round and round we go. If you think the CURRENT configuration draws fewer amps, you’re wrong. Because it has 22 magnets on the rotor instead of 12 it actually draws MORE amps without the magnets in place. You forget, I built one of this configuration already, and tested it already.

You simply CANNOT have that many coils on a machine without the opposition magnets. No matter how much you think you know, there are REASONS nobody has bothered to try and run a generator with an electric motor in the past. That’s the main one. That and Lenz, which we have shown how to avoid.

[bistander]

I’ve already RUN that test dozens of times. It’s like the very FIRST test you run to see if your output is greater than your input. ...

The test which I outlined has nothing to do with electric output from the generator. Re-read what I requested. A simple test of core loss with and without anticogging magnets.

bi

[Turion]

As I said, I have not shown YOU the video. That does not mean the test has not been done. Can't you read? You see what you WANT to see regardless of the facts. Same old story.

[bistander]

I’ve already RUN that test dozens of times. It’s like the very FIRST test you run to see if your output is greater than your input. I just haven’t shown the videos to YOU. And since YOU are the all powerful (NOT) OZ, you believe the world revolves around YOUR assessment. It doesn’t and it never will. Sorry to give you the bad news. Put on your big boy pants and build it yourself.

You have never run the test which I outlined in all the posts I've ever seen from you. Such a test would invalidate your magnetic neutralization scheme. You know it. You're afraid to run it as I outlined. It would only take your friend with the twin machine a few minutes to run. A simple test could prove that I am mistaken about core losses and what you call magnetic drag. Here's your chance. Go for it.
bi

[Turion]

I’ve already RUN that test dozens of times. It’s like the very FIRST test you run to see if your output is greater than your input. I just haven’t shown the videos to YOU. And since YOU are the all powerful (NOT) OZ, you believe the world revolves around YOUR assessment. It doesn’t and it never will. Sorry to give you the bad news. Put on your big boy pants and build it yourself.

[bistander]

Bully for you. And you still don't know squat. LOL

Run the test. 5 minutes. See who knows what they're talking about. We both know why you won't. You're afraid of the truth.
bi

[Turion]

Bully for you. And you still don't know squat. LOL

[bistander]

We keep having the same arguments and conversations over and over. I'm not proving a thing to you. I've given you all I'm going to give. You had your chance and all you have done is ask for more and more and more, and the same stuff over and over. You want to know the truth? Build it and you will see. Several of us have and we know the truth.

Hi Turion,

You've never done the tests I've requested or provided real useful data. You're afraid it will demonstrate that I'm right.

I've conducted motor and generator loss testing in professional labs many times.

Regards,
bi

[Turion]

We keep having the same arguments and conversations over and over. I'm not proving a thing to you. I've given you all I'm going to give. You had your chance and all you have done is ask for more and more and more, and the same stuff over and over. You want to know the truth? Build it and you will see. Several of us have and we know the truth.

[bistander]

Duh, Greyland DID that test and I posted the results a while back. You just choose to forget everything that doesn't support your point of view.

Hi Turion,

I am just human. I've forgotten that if it was actually an equivalent or very similar test. I don't recall seeing real power input data from any test you or Mr. Greyland have conducted. Please provide a link to that.
Thanks,
bi

{edit}
Due to the difference in the anticogging magnet configuration, what I am requesting was/is not practical on the machine that Mr, Greyland has.

{edit#2}
It shouldn't take more that a few minutes to adjust those magnets and run the test I suggest.

{edit#3}
You'd probably be able to back those magnets away while it was running giving a realtime look at input effects.