The bistander thread

[BroMikey]

Hi Turion,

No, I remember. Why would I rather forget? Your buddy NROC quoted. He's only addressing part of the story neglecting the motional generated voltage.

That was a year ago, when you promised to test your machine proving your claim at the machinist shop, on Jan. 6th, 2020, making a video for Aaron's conference. I predicted back then it wouldn't happen and we'd only get excuses. It's now a year later. We finally did see some test data on that machine a few weeks ago. That was nice, but did not support your claims.

I see you making progress on your black beauty. Cool. It'll be good to see what it can do.

Regards,
bi

Yeah but it's only blabber to you and most who don't understand this expose which you have repeatedly poop pooped or under rated. Not to mention not understanding what is written. Demonstrated by your frivolous entry "Hi Turion so and so said that last year? Yeah but you didn't get it then and you don't see it now.

[bistander]

bro,
Thought you might be interested in an Electrical Engineer's explanation of what is going on with the coils. This was posted a while back in response to something bystander posted, but he would rather forget it exists.

"It is actually a fact in electrical engineering that any system that uses AC has impedance and the phases of the currents and voltages play a major role. Tesla's coils (Not THANE's coils or MY coils. Tesla had the idea before we were BORN and his patent is in the public domain.) allow you to have much larger distributed capacitance than winding a normal coil. The advantage of that is that the capacitive reactance and inductive reactance of the coils cancel each other out at a specific frequency without needing to add discrete capacitors. (I told you capacitors would work, because I TRIED THEM. Thane isn't the only one who experiments you know.) When that situation occurs the magnetic fields of the system cancel each other out (meaning the electromagnet that is the coil does NOT repel the approaching magnet, in case this is too deep for some of you) and the only losses in a system are ohmic losses. This is what Tesla means by 'no self induction' and this is electrical engineering 101, it is resonance, and the idea that this cannot happen in a motor or generator is not something impossible at all. Engineering the phase of the currents and voltages in a system is done all the time but it is just that the mainstream EE community doesn't investigate it because Lenz's Law is taken.... Well... as a law when in reality it is simply an effect that shows up and doesn't mean it cannot be overcome. (Silly me, I called it a reaction, not an effect.)


What I mean by 'lenz engineered out ' is the fact that it takes a finite time for lenz to show up. (Remember, I said you could "outrun" Lenz????!!!!) If you have an oscilloscope with high enough bandwidth (100MHz or more) you can see it. Because it takes a finite time to take effect you can use that to your advantage and get a lenz assist. Your not getting rid of the negative sign in the equation you are simply delaying it. (CONTROLLING WHEN IT HAPPENS) It is absolutely about the phase of the currents as you said but im not sure you understand what significance that actually has in this system. Dave has said this repeatedly for years. He has basically given away all the details and specs for it and he didnt have to.


The Tesla patent doesn't necessarily contribute anything 'magical'.

I disagree that the reactance becomes infinite in a resonance condition for any coil with inductance and capacitance. The reactance is still zero in the parallel resonance condition its just that the impedance goes to maximum because the currents are bouncing back and forth between the capacitive and inductive portions of the circuit. Because the currents bounce back and forth between L and C that portion of the circuit looks like an open circuit to the source and only the resistive part of the impedance exists. That is - that the resistive part of the impedance goes to maximum but the reactance still goes to zero.

I don't have any experience building these coils into motors I have never tried it so I wont comment anymore on that. I do however have a lot of experience with Tesla's coils and building resonant transformers (That do exactly the same kind of thing) and that is why i wanted to correct your statement. In fact, if you build a coil that utilises a parallel resonance condition and make the coil in such a way that the magnetic fields can cancel one another as the currents oscillate between L and C you will produce a longitudinal wave with the addition that you must suppress any radiation as EM waves (no sparks). Bifilar coils work well and mobius coils inherently do this. it can also be done with normal solenoids and pancake coils.

Hi Turion,

No, I remember. Why would I rather forget? Your buddy NROC quoted. He's only addressing part of the story neglecting the motional generated voltage.

That was a year ago, when you promised to test your machine proving your claim at the machinist shop, on Jan. 6th, 2020, making a video for Aaron's conference. I predicted back then it wouldn't happen and we'd only get excuses. It's now a year later. We finally did see some test data on that machine a few weeks ago. That was nice, but did not support your claims.

I see you making progress on your black beauty. Cool. It'll be good to see what it can do.

Regards,
bi

[Turion]

Wrong, it is about me. If you can't convince or prove to me your claims, you have nothing of value, and anyone telling you differently, is playing you. You're not the con man, you're being conned.
bi

Who put you in charge? Who decide everything must be proved to YOU. Who decided that unless it IS proved to YOU it is not of value. Oh wait...it was YOU who decided all that.

From the Motor Generator thread:
More BS by Turion.

You have no idea how much it tickles me when you say stuff like that. It just shows how incredibly far from the answers everyone is, even after we showed everything on the forum. And I DO mean everything. We just didn't put it all together in a nice easy to replicate simple circuit like we have it now. But like I said, this will not be given away. This is why I was willing to give away the generator rather than work with investors. So you think what you want to, bi. I just shake my head and laugh at your antics anyway.

[BroMikey]

From the Motor Generator thread:



More BS by Turion. Posted here to save it. No since asking him for proof, or evidence, or even a logical explanation as he has demonstrated over the past few years, he has nothing. Just extraordinary claims: no proof.
bi

he is talking about the 3 battery circuits in combinations like 2nd, 3rd, 4th and so on all connected together to form a compound array.

Step one
Find out if you can run a motor for free (or nearly) on a 3 battery system.

If step one is not in reach you are done. Otherwise use another such ciruit.

Step two
Use two 3 battery circuits together to increase COP

Step Three
Use three 3 battery circuit together to form a compound unit.

The biggest problem people have is get a single 3 battery circuit to run a motor for nearly free. It is not free but is better than the normal way of using up battery power.

A beginner should do one circuit and run a mod motor to a scooter motor as generator. This circuit shows a dramatic increase. In this way you collect the mechanically converted electric off the motor by way of generator and send it all back to the run batteries.

If you understand the mod motor you can form static circuits that do close to the same using coils that are pulsed and other coils in a transformer to collect the pulses as a generator does. Well that might be one way but outside of these facts not much explained. That is because few can do the first steps.

What you end up with is a group of these units running in tandem pushing up the COP where the battery will over charge in seconds so power is drawn off by way of a 12vdc sine wave inverter. Many many other control circuits must be formed to regulate the entire process. Nightmare for the average Joe.

All of these systems require you draw off a set amount of power while trying to maintain the collection balance. This is the work of an inventor which is far beyond your ability, tho you can still be made aware of the idea. It won't be practical until who knows when? Well when you become an expect at implementing digital supervisory circuits to govern and monitor the balanced pathways to victory. Very complex.

[bistander]

No proof that YOU have seen. Luckily it’s not all about YOU. The people who actually NEED to see the proof to bring this forward are seeing the proof.

Wrong, it is about me. If you can't convince or prove to me your claims, you have nothing of value, and anyone telling you differently, is playing you. You're not the con man, you're being conned.
bi

[Turion]

No proof that YOU have seen. Luckily it’s not all about YOU. The people who actually NEED to see the proof to bring this forward are seeing the proof.

[bistander]

From the Motor Generator thread:

bro,
You can get more electricity out (Watts of power) than the electricity you input (watts of power). Not just a little. Tons. Use a single 12 volt battery to produce all the power you need to run your electric car, or supply your home with power. Everyone will have one someone day. All the folks who contacted me and showed me a completed replication of my generator already have the circuit.

More BS by Turion. Posted here to save it. No since asking him for proof, or evidence, or even a logical explanation as he has demonstrated over the past few years, he has nothing. Just extraordinary claims: no proof.
bi

[BroMikey]

Totally stupid Thane Heins video. ........electric motor' and 'electric heater'?.

Let's start with efficiency. Efficiency is the desired power output divided by the power input.


ps MERRY CHRISTMAS

Engineers calculate only the joule heating. There is no flux conversion law created or destroyed garbage.
If you don't think so, watch the video again and you will be ruined for life.

[bistander]

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From the Motor Generator thread. Totally stupid Thane Heins video. Why doesn't the guy simply look up the definitions of 'electric motor' and 'electric heater'? And the definition of power conversion efficiency?

Let's start with efficiency. Efficiency is the actual output of desired power divided by the power input.

Electric heater is a device which converts electric power input to heat, or thermal power output.

Electric motor is a device which converts electric power input to mechanical power output.

Efficiency of the electric motor is mechanical output power in watts divided by electric input power in watts and is always less than 1. The difference between input power watts and output power watts is undesired heat measured in watts. It is often referred to as loss because it is not a desired motor output.

Efficiency of the electric heater is heat output in watts divided by electric power input in watts. Since heat is the desired output and all the electric power input is converted to heat, watts output is equal to watts input and efficiency is 1. There is no loss in this case.

Thane just needs to learn the difference between an electric motor and an electric heater.

There is a special case called a locked rotor motor test where the mechanical power output of the motor is zero watts and all the electric power input is converted to heat. In this case, the efficiency of the electric motor is 0. 0 mechanical power output divided by the electric power input is 0 for efficiency. All the electric power input is lost as heat because heat is not the desired output of the electric motor.

bi

ps MERRY CHRISTMAS

[bistander]

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[bistander]

Something new crossed my news feed.

https://www.greencarcongress.com/202...4-toshiba.html

Is interesting magnetic material. Developed for motor slot wedge. Orientated flake material low loss. Hmm. Cores?

Also article gives perspective of magnitude of today's electromechanical energy conversation and impact of a single point efficiency gain.

Years ago I spent a week in the dynamometer lab at Toshiba in Houston using a 300kW test stand for a motor I worked on. Found a virtual tour of the factory here:

https://www.toshiba.com/tic/

Merry Christmas,
bi

[bistander]

When a coil is at "TDC" (we understand that refers to the alignment) or when it is perfectly aligned with a rotor magnet, that is the moment of GREATEST MAGNETIC ATTRACTION. That's where the magnet will "lock" onto the core if the rpm and torque of the motor is not enough to carry it by. So yeah, I consider it the moment of truth.
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But the generator would work without out a core. There's no attraction at TDC then, is there? So what is the big deal? It's just cogging when a core is present, and cogging is irrelevant with regards to power production.

Just don't see your point.
bi

[BroMikey]

Hey Turion,
Thane has this shown wrong on his charts as I've pointed out before. You, or especially your buddy, do a disservice promoting his "educational" videos. The guy is an idiot. But happy holidays.
bi

That is not nice but I am not surprised you both hate poor Thane. Shame on you for calling him names when you have no rational response to his very detailed teaching video's Wolf pack cowards disgust me. I am well aware of all of these facts. Thane is a great man but has a big job explaining his bench work while breaking the metal blocks.

When each of you criticizing Thane can offer an intelligent reply I will be all ears. Until then you know what I think of your low class personal opinions. America has truly been dumbed down. I do not expect that either one of you will have anything to help us all in this learning process, only arrogance, look at me, I am the ultimate. Zhit of everyone else. That is where birds of a feather fly. neither of you know much but make a good sound. All talk and no action. Still waiting on parts. Neither of you are making mistakes about theory because both are to stupid on Engineering to make an intelligent remark.

You can not tell right from wrong because you were never taught. So amoung Engineers you will be considered a fool. With no desire to learn anything. Yup.

[Turion]

When a coil is at "TDC" (we understand that refers to the alignment) or when it is perfectly aligned with a rotor magnet, that is the moment of GREATEST MAGNETIC ATTRACTION. That's where the magnet will "lock" onto the core if the rpm and torque of the motor is not enough to carry it by. So yeah, I consider it the moment of truth.

I have never promoted Thane's educational videos. Not ever. Never saw the need. The proof is on the bench, and video explanations prove nothing. That's why I encourage people to actually BUILD this stuff.

[bistander]

That's NOT possible. Rotors turn. Thats what they do. A rotor magnet can't maintain a position where half of it is over a magnet of one polarity and the other half is over a magnet of another polarity. If it COULD, there would be no flux change to induce electricity in the coil anyway. At SOME POINT the rotor magnet will be directly aligned with the core of the coil. This is the moment of truth.
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Hey Turion,
I think you are mixed up/confused about this. It is difficult to tell what you're trying to say. But 'moment of truth' you say is when rotor magnet is directly aligned with the coil core, or as your buddy calls it, TDC, carryover from combustion engines, I guess. But at that point, the generated voltage in the coil is zero. That's the moment of truth? Thane has this shown wrong on his charts as I've pointed out before. You, or especially your buddy, do a disservice promoting his "educational" videos. The guy is an idiot. But happy holidays.
bi