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  • clarence
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    Glad to hear

    Originally posted by digits10 View Post
    Clarence,
    Congrats! Glad to hear the success! I'm looking forward to giving it a try myself - after I know how to. Sadly, I wasn't even born a coffee lover
    Hello digits10,

    Glad to hear from you!
    Seems like every one else just looked in - said HO HUM! and left.

    I just loaded my setup with loads equaling 26 + amps on a wall plug outlet only rated for 20 amps MAX - no breaker trip - no heat in the extension cord from the outlet to the setup at all. Al of the unit parts remained cool cool cool.

    So the reading on the Kill-A-Watt meter is valid.
    The total energy input is only 0.07 amps @ 5.4 watts.
    For that little bit in I just got 26 + amps of actual being used working energy.
    That's a lot of difference.

    Thanks again for your support!

    Respectfully,

    Clarence

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  • digits10
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    Cool!

    Clarence,
    Congrats! Glad to hear the success! I'm looking forward to giving it a try myself - after I know how to. Sadly, I wasn't even born a coffee lover

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  • clarence
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    Trials

    Originally posted by clarence View Post
    Wantomake,

    After four years of work now I am almost speechless. I really don't know how to put it all into words. NOT joking Brother!

    I re-worked the two single primary only toroids in their face to face confrontation and did the 13 wraps with the #12 AWG stranded wire as I said I was going to do, and put the setup together again. I thought that many wraps would give 120 volt output but it didn't - only increased up to 50 + AC volts. Turns out that was plenty enough. Hooked everything in place and took
    the ground return into consideration this time.

    Bro, to save a whole lot of time and words, THE WHOLE SOB DOES WHAT IT WAS SAID IT COULD DO!

    I have Had it pulling energy from the ground up tp 9.8AMPS. all of this while the KAW meter only shows 0.07 amps supplied from the mains and at 5.4 watts. At first I thought it was a faulty KAW so I dug out the others and tried
    Four more of them - they all read the same. I have run a floor fan, my microwave, my smart charger charging my battery banks, all at the same time - still NO CHANGE ON THE INPUT FROM THE MAINs- 0.07 amps at 5.4 watts. I was just standing there dumbfounded.
    All this time the # 12 wraps on the toroid only showed .5 amps with never changing!.

    Couldn't find any more things to run at one time so I just left it running my Smart Charger and came and sat down,

    To shocked to take any Photos for now but may get to it tonight .
    Drink some for me,

    Clarence
    Wantomake,

    Went and added a lot more Items to some multiport heavy duty AC three way adapters.

    Got the amperage draw from the ground up to 18.8 amps with still only 0.07
    amperage AC input A 5.4 watts.
    The Wind output from the # 12 AWG wraps was still only .5 amps - no heating on toroids at all.

    What I want to do is get the amperage draw from the ground Above 20 Amps
    which is all the wall plug is rated for and see if it trips or hangs in there. if it doesn't trip and the extension cord powering the toroids is not hot or heated
    then that will verify the KAW meter readings of 0.07 amps and 5.4 watts.

    EDIT: 18.8 amps out for .07 amps in is quite an increase!

    Later,

    Clarence
    Last edited by clarence; 08-07-2017, 09:02 PM. Reason: ?

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  • clarence
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    A pot of gold --hopefully

    [QUOTE=wantomake;

    Hope all goes well with your tests and trials.

    Coffee in hand, sipping on rainy front porch,
    Life is good.
    wantomake[/QUOTE]

    Wantomake,

    After four years of work now I am almost speechless. I really don't know how to put it all into words. NOT joking Brother!

    I re-worked the two single primary only toroids in their face to face confrontation and did the 13 wraps with the #12 AWG stranded wire as I said I was going to do, and put the setup together again. I thought that many wraps would give 120 volt output but it didn't - only increased up to 50 + AC volts. Turns out that was plenty enough. Hooked everything in place and took
    the ground return into consideration this time.

    Bro, to save a whole lot of time and words, THE WHOLE SOB DOES WHAT IT WAS SAID IT COULD DO!

    I have Had it pulling energy from the ground up tp 9.8AMPS. all of this while the KAW meter only shows 0.07 amps supplied from the mains and at 5.4 watts. At first I thought it was a faulty KAW so I dug out the others and tried
    Four more of them - they all read the same. I have run a floor fan, my microwave, my smart charger charging my battery banks, all at the same time - still NO CHANGE ON THE INPUT FROM THE MAINs- 0.07 amps at 5.4 watts. I was just standing there dumbfounded.
    All this time the # 12 wraps on the toroid only showed .5 amps with never changing!.

    Couldn't find any more things to run at one time so I just left it running my Smart Charger and came and sat down,

    To shocked to take any Photos for now but may get to it tonight .
    Drink some for me,

    Clarence

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  • clarence
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    Progress made with two toroid method

    Originally posted by wantomake View Post
    Clarence,
    Woke up to rain here. Very much needed. Grass is brown. Noticed some cows lounging around on chairs sipping lemonade next to a pool cause there's nothing but hay to eat.

    I did try some different loop and coil configurations yesterday just to test some ideas. Nothing worthy to post happened. Placed the primary only toroid(call it"B") in the loop with the coil ("A")and noticed the amps (on the loop)drop to zero if there's no load or short across "B". With "B" loaded or shorted the amperage reads 65~70 Amps in the loop. Big question mark there.

    Hope all goes well with your tests and trials.

    Coffee in hand, sipping on rainy front porch,
    Life is good.
    wantomake
    Wantomake,

    Did make some progress and gain some noteworthy knowledge at the same time using the two toroid opposing face to face method.

    With the two wraps strictly around the primary windings and NOT around the
    open CORE body at all (that's a NO! NO!) using # 12 gauge stranded wire
    I got a reading of Twenty AC volts from either end of the wraps back to toroid Line input. It didn't make a damn which end you measured from back to AC line input it always measures the same. That is because the two toroids are opposite faced making each of the ends IN PHASE with each other.
    So no problem hooking both ends together and using that joint connection as the neutral for a load terminal with the hot lead to the two toroids as the
    line input for loads.
    made the loop connection as the schemo shows but haven't got into that yet.

    Since the two wraps only produced 20 volts that means each of the wraps gives 10 volts AC neutral output. In a nut shell I have to redo and make a total of 12 wraps on each of the toroid primary winds - this will give me 120 volts to work with and get on with trials involving the ground connection.

    Busy farm day today moving bulls back to their separate pasture zones, their entertainment of the ladies is over till next summer!

    Off and on rain here and hot.

    Later J,

    Clarence
    Last edited by clarence; 08-07-2017, 01:42 PM. Reason: wrong size wire stated!

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  • wantomake
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    Still here

    Clarence,
    Woke up to rain here. Very much needed. Grass is brown. Noticed some cows lounging around on chairs sipping lemonade next to a pool cause there's nothing but hay to eat.

    I did try some different loop and coil configurations yesterday just to test some ideas. Nothing worthy to post happened. Placed the primary only toroid(call it"B") in the loop with the coil ("A")and noticed the amps (on the loop)drop to zero if there's no load or short across "B". With "B" loaded or shorted the amperage reads 65~70 Amps in the loop. Big question mark there.

    Hope all goes well with your tests and trials.

    Coffee in hand, sipping on rainy front porch,
    Life is good.
    wantomake

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  • clarence
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    Back to illustration schematic

    Originally posted by wantomake View Post
    Clarence,
    Good morning coffee and friend !!!

    You seem to be getting closer to finding the answer. Will be a few days more until the financial allows me to get caught up with you. Meanwhile still looking over notes and web to find something to contribute here.

    This kinda reminds me of Thane Heins Bitt setup with the transformer and coil configurations. Was studying more on transference and stumbled across his invention. His primary voltage is amazingly low with higher secondary output. Of course I've not the vocabulary to discuss his work here.

    But there's a similar effect of energy happening between this coil,loop, and smaller (coil)wrap around the loop.

    Darn it. If I'd been born smart instead of a coffee lover, we would be finished with this already.

    Back to studying with hot cup of coffee,
    wantomake
    Wanyomake.

    Took the primary only coil I had just wound and took the new secondary wing back off of it. All it did was THROW it's load right back on the primary
    so that route sucks big time.

    So now will do the two primary only toroids with the two winds directly on top
    of the primary winding themselves and NOT on top of the core. Will see if that helps or not.
    Never know when working with this creature.
    It shows the two winds of the ground return wire only on ONE of the winds on the bottom torroid.
    Will do all of that and see how it goes??

    EDIT: Had to reorder some more 150 v GDT's from mouser. the last two Fried instantly.
    Wrong type I guess?


    Clarence
    Last edited by clarence; 08-06-2017, 05:50 PM. Reason: ????

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  • fer123
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    Make me laugh

    Hello Wantomake you make me laugh a lot with Darn it. If I'd been born smart instead of a coffee lover, we would be finished with this already. Thanks a lot. First laugh in the morning.

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  • wantomake
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    Originally posted by clarence View Post
    Wantomake,

    Finished the toroid secondary put the setup back together and let the secondary neutral output make a couple of wraps around the shorted loop coil and then on to join the ground return line and then to load terminal.
    Powered up and did a couple of loads as trials.

    Nothing great or outstanding about any of it. After awhile the secondary
    of the toroid began to show some heat so stopped the unit. This effort to me didn't prove anything so far.?

    Am going to wind the other toroid and do the series transformer thing. ??

    Clarence
    Clarence,
    Good morning coffee and friend !!!

    You seem to be getting closer to finding the answer. Will be a few days more until the financial allows me to get caught up with you. Meanwhile still looking over notes and web to find something to contribute here.

    This kinda reminds me of Thane Heins Bitt setup with the transformer and coil configurations. Was studying more on transference and stumbled across his invention. His primary voltage is amazingly low with higher secondary output. Of course I've not the vocabulary to discuss his work here.

    But there's a similar effect of energy happening between this coil,loop, and smaller (coil)wrap around the loop.

    Darn it. If I'd been born smart instead of a coffee lover, we would be finished with this already.

    Back to studying with hot cup of coffee,
    wantomake

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  • clarence
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    Originally posted by wantomake View Post
    Clarence,
    Somebody had a good cup of Joe today.

    I can't add anything to that post.

    Conductivity and amerage transference seems to stop the whole train. Is there suppose to be a transference of amps from the loop to the ground grid wire wrapped around it? Or does that 90 degree wrap cause the electrons to move in a certain direction in the loop? Simply where does the current to power any load come from?

    I hate these questions too.
    wantomake
    Wantomake,

    Finished the toroid secondary put the setup back together and let the secondary neutral output make a couple of wraps around the shorted loop coil and then on to join the ground return line and then to load terminal.
    Powered up and did a couple of loads as trials.

    Nothing great or outstanding about any of it. After awhile the secondary
    of the toroid began to show some heat so stopped the unit. This effort to me didn't prove anything so far.?

    Am going to wind the other toroid and do the series transformer thing. ??

    Clarence

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  • clarence
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    Nice questions! And we"re going to find out!

    Originally posted by wantomake View Post
    Clarence,
    Somebody had a good cup of Joe today.

    I can't add anything to that post.

    Conductivity and amerage transference seems to stop the whole train. Is there suppose to be a transference of amps from the loop to the ground grid wire wrapped around it? Or does that 90 degree wrap cause the electrons to move in a certain direction in the loop? Simply where does the current to power any load come from?

    I hate these questions too.
    wantomake
    Wantomake ,

    Those are nice valid questions - very very reasonable.

    As soon as I have my first with it's balanced secondary Toroid completed I am going to do that very build I mentioned and we will get some yes or no's.

    I had to make a trip to town today to get some 3/4 inch wide beige masking tape to cover over between the winding layers to stop eye confusion and show only each new individual turn without seeing it AND the previous layer winds at the same time. You Know bout dat.
    Also picked up Some black and white small AWG gauge stranded wire for the
    secondary input and output leads.

    So now I am back to finishing the last of the winding for the secondary.
    I also received my 150 volt GDT,s in from mouser and will put one ofthem in the build also. It will link the ground return straight back to the Toroid INPUT
    hot lead which comes from the mains (or inverter) breaker (safety feature
    they included in order to have their Patent APPROVED).
    You need to bear in mind this is NOT connected to the Toroid SECONDARY output HOT lead so it is still NOT a DIRECT connection to the mains with respect to the energy production of the system!

    Will try to make the # 1.0 coil look less like a dung pile than previously.

    Enough talking, back to working and Sippin.

    Clarence

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  • wantomake
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    Originally posted by clarence View Post
    Wantomake,

    I measured the Ohm value on the primary of both my primary only toroids.
    They both measured 1.2 ohms. Yours should measure the same.
    Have decided to do the SOLO Transformer setup also.
    Have been thinking long and hard about the shorted 1.0 AWG thing.
    I know for a fact that there is NO inductive capability in it whatsoever. The only thing it has left alone by it self is an internal high amperage value which can be adjusted by larger AWG wire size AND more passes thru the center of the solo toroid.
    It bothers me that they put this thing in their system. They are definitely NOT dummies. A typical component in an electrical system should have
    conductivity - inductance - and transference. To me since it has NONE of these, the only thing to do is GIVE them to it!
    If the LIVE alternation of the NEUTRAL WIRE output from the toroid were to FIRST
    make a wrap or two around TWO of the Shorted coil turns THAT would INDUCE flow in the thing and then let the sane length of the neutral wire pass through the split bolt connector (by making a bald insulation removal space
    for electrical conductivity and amperage transference) then the ugly old dead thing Could be made useful. The continuation of this same wire can then be connected to the ground earth return and then jointly to a LOAD terminal strip. The Neutral/Earth connection to loads plus the Line feed should then be a power supply with plenty of voltage and amperage.

    I will give all of this a trial in the next few days to come.
    I am half way through with the winds on the first Toroid and will finish and check balance on it later today.
    SOLO TRANSFORMER illustration attached in thumbnail.

    Later J,

    CLARENCE
    Clarence,
    Somebody had a good cup of Joe today.

    I can't add anything to that post.

    Conductivity and amerage transference seems to stop the whole train. Is there suppose to be a transference of amps from the loop to the ground grid wire wrapped around it? Or does that 90 degree wrap cause the electrons to move in a certain direction in the loop? Simply where does the current to power any load come from?

    I hate these questions too.
    wantomake

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  • clarence
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    Balanced toroid transformers

    Originally posted by wantomake View Post
    Clarence,
    One thing he did emphasize on the video is that the two transformers must be same ohm readings or very close to it. I remember how hard it was to wind the last toroid. So not sure I can match the exact number of winds on this next one. But will see what the solo toroid does first.

    Working all day at wife's job so maybe some shop time this evening.
    wantomake
    Wantomake,

    I measured the Ohm value on the primary of both my primary only toroids.
    They both measured 1.2 ohms. Yours should measure the same.
    Have decided to do the SOLO Transformer setup also.
    Have been thinking long and hard about the shorted 1.0 AWG thing.
    I know for a fact that there is NO inductive capability in it whatsoever. The only thing it has left alone by it self is an internal high amperage value which can be adjusted by larger AWG wire size AND more passes thru the center of the solo toroid.
    It bothers me that they put this thing in their system. They are definitely NOT dummies. A typical component in an electrical system should have
    conductivity - inductance - and transference. To me since it has NONE of these, the only thing to do is GIVE them to it!
    If the LIVE alternation of the NEUTRAL WIRE output from the toroid were to FIRST
    make a wrap or two around TWO of the Shorted coil turns THAT would INDUCE flow in the thing and then let the sane length of the neutral wire pass through the split bolt connector (by making a bald insulation removal space
    for electrical conductivity and amperage transference) then the ugly old dead thing Could be made useful. The continuation of this same wire can then be connected to the ground earth return and then jointly to a LOAD terminal strip. The Neutral/Earth connection to loads plus the Line feed should then be a power supply with plenty of voltage and amperage.

    I will give all of this a trial in the next few days to come.
    I am half way through with the winds on the first Toroid and will finish and check balance on it later today.
    SOLO TRANSFORMER illustration attached in thumbnail.

    Later J,

    CLARENCE
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  • wantomake
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    Same size

    Originally posted by clarence View Post
    Wantomake,

    For a little insight - use your search and find : Using Power Transformers In Parallel or Series - You Tube.......by electronicsNmore .

    That's what I did before I went ahead and made my trial with the two transformers. It also shows the evidence of the output amperage being doubled.


    Clarence
    Clarence,
    One thing he did emphasize on the video is that the two transformers must be same ohm readings or very close to it. I remember how hard it was to wind the last toroid. So not sure I can match the exact number of winds on this next one. But will see what the solo toroid does first.

    Working all day at wife's job so maybe some shop time this evening.
    wantomake

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  • clarence
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    [QUOTE=wantomake;[/QUOTE]

    Wantomake,

    For a little insight - use your search and find : Using Power Transformers In Parallel or Series - You Tube.......by electronicsNmore .

    That's what I did before I went ahead and made my trial with the two transformers. It also shows the evidence of the output amperage being doubled.


    Clarence

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