Ionization & Water Fuel

[vrand]

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No images where attached. Can you please reattach.
Thanks

[tutanka]

It looks like someone has beat everybody here to market with a system that runs on 100% water.

The vehicle is a 2004 Dodge pickup truck with an 8 cylinder engine. In the first video below, the owner is driving around in public on the streets of Arizona. He has no problems until he reaches a steep grade or he gives the engine full throttle for too long.

He uses an electrolyte and the additional 2 videos give us more details on his exact setup. A phone number is also provided in one of the videos along with an email address. The company's name is Future Energy Concepts Inc.

YouTube - 2004 DODGE PU RUNS ON 100% WATER.mpg

YouTube - FEC Prototype 1.wmv

YouTube - 100% HHO Powered PU.wmv

For me it's an fake but you can buy an kit from that company, test on your car and after send us th results..

[mina]

It looks like someone has beat everybody here to market with a system that runs on 100% water.

The vehicle is a 2004 Dodge pickup truck with an 8 cylinder engine. In the first video below, the owner is driving around in public on the streets of Arizona. He has no problems until he reaches a steep grade or he gives the engine full throttle for too long.

He uses an electrolyte and the additional 2 videos give us more details on his exact setup. A phone number is also provided in one of the videos along with an email address. The company's name is Future Energy Concepts Inc.

YouTube - 2004 DODGE PU RUNS ON 100% WATER.mpg

YouTube - FEC Prototype 1.wmv

YouTube - 100% HHO Powered PU.wmv

[tutanka]

Alex, you mentioned the Meyers EEC several times over the past year. How do you know if you are creating a plasma or ionizing the gases?

Thanks, Mike

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[sucahyo]

But without h2opower's work where would you be? As he is the only one on the whole world wide web that ever started talking about Stanley Meyer's Gas Processor and he shared his ideas with all of us, did he not?

h2opower gas processor concept is very different from what being discussed here. his output is 4 state ionized oxygen without any NOx, which is not the goal in this thread.

Any work being done in this thread should never considered a derivation from h2opower work. As far as I know tutanka do not use Laser which h2opower considered very very important. While anyone following h2opower by using LED is doing great mistakes because h2opower never discuss the future of his LED based implementation anymore.

[vrand]

Mike.. We use as Meyer ONLY high voltage in specific way..

Alex, you mentioned the Meyers EEC several times over the past year. How do you know if you are creating a plasma or ionizing the gases?

Thanks, Mike

[tutanka]

But without h2opower's work where would you be? As he is the only one on the whole world wide web that ever started talking about Stanley Meyer's Gas Processor and he shared his ideas with all of us, did he not?

But the whole point of all of this is to start an Energy Revolution that frees humanity from the current system of energy enslavement, right? As far as h2opower goes it is history that he was the first to talk about other parts of Meyer's work other than just the WFC and VIC transformer. You can look it up for yourself if you don't believe me, in-fact anyone can look up and make a time-line as to what was being done on Meyer's patents before and after h2opower hit the world wide web.

Tim

Tim,
I can agree with you only on that.. H2OPOWER have started thread on Meyer but have only copy ad don't understand principle. For that reason.. thanks.. but after? H2OPOWER is every based to copy meyer patent and probably don't have obtained any working result if you write here. Im here don't for start an war Im in peace.. If we have reached success is only because we have analyzed differently the meyer patents. Regards

[chasson321]

DEAR TIM,
IM NOT A COPIER LIKE H2OPOWER!
OUR IONIZATION SYSTEM OR REACTOR (WE USE ONLY ONE) IS BASED ON DIFFERENT PRINCIPLE AND I REMEMBER YOU THAT ALL START FROM MEYER NOT FROM H2OPOWER!
I HAVE ONLY UNDERSTAND AND DECRYPT MEYER PATENTS AND DON'T HAVE COPY AS H2OPOWER! THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE!

But without h2opower's work where would you be? As he is the only one on the whole world wide web that ever started talking about Stanley Meyer's Gas Processor and he shared his ideas with all of us, did he not?

But the whole point of all of this is to start an Energy Revolution that frees humanity from the current system of energy enslavement, right? As far as h2opower goes it is history that he was the first to talk about other parts of Meyer's work other than just the WFC and VIC transformer. You can look it up for yourself if you don't believe me, in-fact anyone can look up and make a time-line as to what was being done on Meyer's patents before and after h2opower hit the world wide web.

Tim

[tutanka]

How do you extract electrons in your reactor?

Thanks, Mike

Mike.. We use as Meyer ONLY high voltage in specific way..

[tutanka]

Then you should be thanking h2opower for it is his "OPEN SOURCE" that Tutanka's enlightenment comes from. Without h2opowers "OPEN SOURCE" Tutanka would just be building one WFC after the next looking for different results every time. h2opower started all of this with "OPEN SOURCE" but this site would not have him and his free giving ways. He even pointed out that what they are purposing violates the conservation of mass and the conservation of energy, did all the math, science, and everything. You see the one thing that holds true is you start off with what hydrogen you have at the beginning, changing it into something else will give you no net gain in power but only a net loss.

This is all suppose to be about sharing, and higher learning sticking to the principals of science is it not? Are we not all trying help humanity or are we trying to push humanity in a new energy system preserving the same old type of energy enslavement as the current energy system? These are the hard questions that mark these times of BP oil spills and environmental catastrophes. Aren't we suppose to be the ones leading the way to a free and clean energy source for humanity?

I'll ask Tutanka directly, "Where would you be right now without h2opower's OPEN SOURCE work?"

Tim

DEAR TIM,
IM NOT A COPIER LIKE H2OPOWER!
OUR IONIZATION SYSTEM OR REACTOR (WE USE ONLY ONE) IS BASED ON DIFFERENT PRINCIPLE AND I REMEMBER YOU THAT ALL START FROM MEYER NOT FROM H2OPOWER!
I HAVE ONLY UNDERSTAND AND DECRYPT MEYER PATENTS AND DON'T HAVE COPY AS H2OPOWER! THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE!

[tutanka]

I see, I didn't realise it was multiple choice... so what fuel are you creating exactly?

Ionization Process is simple to understand ..

For obtain NH3 and N2O you need N2/H20
For obtain H3C-NH2 you need CO2,H2O,N2, brillint idea can be using exaust gas

In all case Fuel gas is obtained OUT not during process!

[vrand]

CH3-NH2 is chemical formula of Methylamine.. is strange molecule composed from carbon,nitrogen and hydrogen atoms.. no more people know that is an potential car fuel..
Nitrogen (N2), oxygen (O2), argon (Ar), carbon dioxide (CO2), and water vapor (H2O). These gases account for 99.997% of the volumetric composition of standard air and also account for better than 99.9% of most combustion gases (but Meyer don't use air and exaust gas)? . However the water amount isn't stable on air for that Meyer mix an extra amount. Remember one important thing... Meyer use steam resonator for ionized and heated water molecules first of mix with air (or exaust gas). The function of gas processor in fact is extractions of electrons from mixture molecules CO2+H2O+O2+N2 and for absorb electrons (very important) him use EEC. Maybe as result is obtained CH3NH2+O2.
Probably at today exist other better system (reactor) for extract electrons, more advanced but simple at the same time based every on high voltage, in all case your fuel mixture is recomposed out.

How do you extract electrons in your reactor?

Thanks, Mike

[tutanka]

Dave, I think your falling behind here, ammonia was last months fuel of choice, this month it's Methylamine.

So forget the carbon-free fuel.

Do try to keep up.

I repeat me again and again..

Using the described ionization process is possble obtain different gas fuels like amonia, methylamine,etc,..

[mina]

Hello everyone,

I have been wading through this thread from beginning to end and it is weighted down pretty heavily by the naysayers. I am deeply involved in experimentation of another process and aspect of hydrogen technology and I will not be bringing any of that to this thread, lest I become a hypocrite myself.

Eventually I will need to use a system similar to this one as part of my setup which is why I read through this entire thread.

This is my first post here and I want to mention how thankful I am for the information contained within this thread. What a wealth of useful information with the exception of posts from people who seem to be ungrateful and unhappy to be here.

Thank you, tutanka, for the sharing that which you have. Some people here also seem to forget that you are under no obligation whatsoever to share more than you decide to.

Regards,
mina

[Aaron]

Purpose Of This Thread

Oh, I think that people can rightly say that there is not enough information here to know what to do... do you know what to do? Nitrous oxide, atomic nitrogen, ammonia, and now methylamine... now ask yourself is the criticsim not justified?

The problem as I see it is that from the very first post, claims have been made, but are covered by a NDA. You yourself then spent many posts trying to second guess Tut... all to no avail. It's all here in black and white. Given your spiritual insight, do you not yet smell a rat?

Long ago I asked for some clarity on everyones thinking in order to establish some common ground, but you denied this, stating that everyone had a right to their privacy... bull****. Is this or is this not 'open source'. If people are not prepared to open source, to talk, what are they doing here... what is the point? If you are covered by an NDA, why post at all, why bother unless you get a thrill from the celebrity, from being the centre of attention? And why aren't they banned for wasting time?

Never has Tut actually ever provided anything by way of evidence that he really has anything tangible... you have simply taken his word for it. We don't even have a youtube video!

Why are you defending him?

Cryptic clues and guessing games is all I see... that's all there's ever been. It's quite pathetic really.

Why don't you tell Tut that unless he is prepared to disclose useful information that he should bugger off and be a tease somewhere else? Afterall this is a win win situation - he is either going to tell you or he never has any intention of doing so!

How many times have you been on this ride to nowwhere?

People that are not doing the experiments can rightly criticize? I don't
agree because that is simply making comments from the peanut gallery.
More details have been shared with those in private that have shown
that they are actually doing experiments relating to the info shared in
this thread. So anyone that hasn't had the courtesy to do the experiments,
ionize air and mix it with electrolytic hydrogen in different sequences and
used for example nh3 test strips from a pet store, etc... to see if there
are traces of ammonia, etc..., I don't think anyone that hasn't done this
has room to criticize anything in this thread, period.

Comprehending how not only NH3 can be made from ambient air, electricity
and electrolytic hydrogen but IS being made through the process explained
here and has been proven is key. There are multiple molecular variations
that can be had through these processes and MULTIPLE variations are
successful. Throwing out "nitrous oxide" "atomic hydrogen", etc... all
together is ludicrous. They are ALL related to this system and are created
in different stages of the process. Making it sound like there is a bunch of
flipflopping around on the chemicals by naming those particular ones is
straight up ridiculous.

Trying to second guess Alex? You haven't comprehended it at all. What I
was doing was trying to figure out his specific explanation of the ionization
process since something he said in h2opower's Meyer thread caught my eye
as being related to something I was specifically looking for. I'm interested
in other people's specific processes and have no problem putting all my own
opinions aside in order to learn them even though there are other variations
of similar processes that I learned. Hence the asking of questions from
ground up. It is what any truly open minded person would do. I would
suggest that anyone that thinks they know what they're talking about
forget what they think they know and look at things with fresh eyes.

You need to comprehend that nobody is obligated to share anything they
don't want to and that what is shared you "should" be thankful for. I believe
you ALREADY bowed out of this thread which would probably be a good idea
since it is blatantly obvious that none of this fits your preconceived ideas.

I haven't taken anyone's word for anything and by stating this, you prove
what your analytical abilities are, or are lacking. Jumping to such ridiculous
assumptions appears to be habitual. That might work for you, but not for
me so please keep such insight to yourself or to your own threads where
they may be appreciated. If you think I'm the type of person to just take
someone's word as final or the end all be all, you really absolutely know
nothing about me. I find your comments insulting as they personal attack
me as being a type of person that I am not.

While you and a few others are busy complaining, I have been
purchased thousands of dollars in machine shop equipment amongst other
things to prove things to myself because I don't take other people's
word as gospel no matter who it is. Your insights and intuitions have been
less than clear about me and a whole lot of other things relating to this
particular thread. And I'm not going to spend thousands of dollars unless
I DO have evidence that this entire process is feasible by cheap low
budget experiments that I have ALREADY conducted months ago because
again, I'm not taking anyone's word for it.

And for your information, as it has ALREADY been stated multiple times,
Alex is not the only one that has a working process. This has been pointed
out to you several times yet you keep repeating yourself as if it hasn't
been said.

Actually, there was one youtube video that showed a motor, which was
part of a project covered by NDA but that is besides the point. It ran on
water but that still can't be proven on a video. But the point is, you say
there wasn't so much as a youtube video when there was. You have missed
virtually everything that has ever been posted in this thread.

I'm not necessarily defending Alex, I'm bringing up the fact that I don't
appreciate desk jockey criticism by those who aren't even experimenting
with mixing ionized air and hho. I started this thread to discuss this process
and if there are those that want to only wait for Alex to release something
commercially, that is yours or their issue. That has NOTHING to do with
why this thread was started. I hope Alex does release something
commercially soon based on this process or a variation of it but why do
I want to depend on him when there is enough information in this thread to
do it myself to various degrees?

In my opinion, this makes more sense. Do my own work on this applying what is known and what has been shared and if there is something that
comes along that I can simply buy that makes my own efforts obsolete,
I'll buy it on the spot and move on to the next thing. I don't have any
attachment to my own work in a situation like that.

Cryptic clues? Ionizing ambient air and mixing it with electrolytic hydrogen
is about as common sense as it gets. Pathetic you say? Get real! There are
many variations of this concept that can be experimented with with a
low budget and low technology.

Tell Alex to do this elsewhere? You're causing trouble plain and simple.
You know what is in this thread, you don't agree with it, so leave.
There are other threads here in this forum that you either started or are
participating in. Leave this one alone. I started it, I set the rules for this
thread and if you don't like how it is progressing, that's too bad. I like it
myself and the info that is in it that DOES reveal the key to the process
stands for the record for anyone that does get it.

Ride to nowhere? You sound bitter because it sounds like you are the
one that has been disappointed over and over. Not me. I have multiple
successes. I don't waste my time on anything that in my own judgment
doesn't have merit and you don't feel this does, so why not leave? Leave
my thread and stop posting your criticism and that applies
to anyone that doesn't like what is happening in this thread.

I'm not waiting for anyone to release anything commercially. I do my own
experiments and apply the common sense principles that have been spelled
out. This thread is a treasure trove of golden nuggets for anyone that
can get out of their own way long enough to see that there are many
answers right here.

Several of these key answers have been given by SEVERAL members
and they are available to everyone. It isn't a matter of if the info has been
shared or not. It is a matter of whether or not it has even been perceived
at all.

Farrah, you are free to start a thread that states your opinions of why
the ionization/nh3 process is difficult for you to believe. But don't do it
so that you are attacking anyone. Just state your beliefs. There are
obviously some members that share your viewpoint and their opinions are
welcome where it is on topic. Polluting this thread with repeated
nonsense over and over not only gets old and boring, it makes it hard for
anyone to go through this thread and find the relevant info because they
have to wade through a bunch of whining.

And to Tim/Chasson, you can pop up with this being the point to open
source but the first thing you did right before h2opower was about to
be removed was that h2opower AND YOU started to delete all your
"open source" posts so stop playing these games. Leave this thread and
and don't post again unless it is showing YOUR own experiments with
mixing ionized ambient air and hho, that isn't negotiable.

I will start to delete the noise in this thread as it pops up so please don't
waste my time or yours. Turning this thread into a "When is Alex going to
release something commercially, etc..." is NOT going to happen. Go to the
thread that Rosco started so you don't have to
start a redundant thread and discuss it there.

This post:

http://www.energeticforum.com/81698-post20.html

At the beginning of this thread, I stated:

"The main interest I have for this thread is the concept of ionization of the
mixture getting burned."

That means there is ionization in the process of the air/water that
creates a mixture that runs the engine.

Ionization is the key and this is the TOPIC of this thread.
Complaining and griping that someone hasn't released something
yet is OFF TOPIC FOR THIS THREAD.

Go here to discuss that, NOT IN THIS THREAD...

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5360-announcement-4.html