Ionization & Water Fuel

[vrand]

For recycled exaust gas you need different engine.. surely ceramized and more advanced technologically... in all case you need pure exaust gas but as you know mixed to exaust gas sometimes is present oil vapour.. if you send inside reactor an impure mixture you obtain an bad gas generation with unstable gas fuel . REACTOR NEED PURE MIXTURE FOR WORK PROPERLY AND I REMEMBER TO YOU THAT YOU USE ONLY NITROGEN AND WATER NOT GASOLINE!! You can send out N2 and H2O vapour created trought combustion.. Regards Alex

Yes it was just an idea

It would be interesting for future research. For now just add air and water and go.

Thanks, Mike

[tutanka]

Thank you Alex

Good news, with only N2 & H2O in the exhaust then maybe can save some water usage if recycled back into the reactor.

Thanks, Mike

For recycled exaust gas you need different engine.. surely ceramized and more advanced technologically... in all case you need pure exaust gas but as you know mixed to exaust gas sometimes is present oil vapour.. if you send inside reactor an impure mixture you obtain an bad gas generation with unstable gas fuel . REACTOR NEED PURE MIXTURE FOR WORK PROPERLY AND I REMEMBER TO YOU THAT YOU USE ONLY NITROGEN AND WATER NOT GASOLINE!! You can send out N2 and H2O vapour created trought combustion.. Regards Alex

[vrand]

Mike.. when you burn NH3/N2O as product of combustion you obtain N2 and H2O only..

Thank you Alex

Good news, with only N2 & H2O in the exhaust then maybe can save some water usage if recycled back into the reactor.

Thanks, Mike

[tutanka]

Thank you for the explanation Mike

Do you recycle the NOX emissions back into the reactor? Here in California the NOX emissions are regulated in all cars and ICE engines. Can your system do a closed loop so no NOX emissions escapes?

Thanks, Mike

Mike.. when you burn NH3/N2O as product of combustion you obtain N2 and H2O only..

[pengrove]

OK, what have we got to start with and what can we make out of it?

Water=H2+O2
AIR= 78% N2 + 20% O2 + 2% other gases which we can forget

So we have one source for H2, N2, and two sources for O2

Now what can we make from this which will run an engine other than just pure H2 burning in O2, which would require a lot of H2 which we do not have?

Well we could make NH3 or N2H4; N2O;NO2;NO. what ever if you mix the three gases you are going to have NITROGEN in the equation, so why did Meyer talk of none combustible gases (nitrogen) to such great extent. Later I will tell you why, and it is to do with gaining energy.

Mike

Mike would I be correct in saying that you are using a quartz bulb out of a sulfur plasma lamp? And if so where are you getting them? Thanks

[vrand]

@All

Let me explain a few things which seem to be that people do not understand.

Gases can be in two basic forms, active and none active, let us take a gas that most car enthusiasts know about!!!! nitrous oxide "N2O", now I will put it in a simpler form N2+O, what do we have? normal Nitrogen "N2" and an active oxygen "O", yes active, it is atomic, it is not O2.

Nitrogen is NEARLY an unique carrier of other gases in their atomic form, that is why it is used as an enhancer in petrol engines and works better than a turbo charger, but it is not only the extra oxygen, if it was so we would just put a tank of extra oxygen and not N2O. The atomic oxygen on its own would not live more than micro secounds ON ITS OWN, now can you see what is happening? active means reactive.

Now NH3, what do we have if we make this simpler, N+H+H+H, both the nitrogen and the hydrogen are atomic or in this case we call it ACTIVE, we have an active gas, ammonia, and WHY IS AMMONIA USED FOR CLEANING? because it is ACTIVE or reactive on the dirt.

Now if we can make NH3+N2O in an instance, we have a VERY active gas mix which will power an engine far more than if we put in H2+O2, we will infact have in its simplest form H+H+H+O+(N+N2). Now I am not going into what happens to the gases after combustion, take it from me that most is reused and a small amount of nitrogen goes back into the air.

The formation of the NH3 and N2O is done prior to the engine intake and NOT IN THE CYLINDER as has been said that happens a few posts earlier, and the production of NH3 and N2O is dependant on producing active nitrogen in the first place and is one of the MOST DIFFICULT things to do.

I hope I have explained myself on this matter and anybody trying to run an engine on H2 and O2 without using a vast amount of energy to produce them, are barking up the wrong tree, IT HAS TO BE AN ACTIVE GAS.

Mike

Thank you for the explanation Mike

Do you recycle the NOX emissions back into the reactor? Here in California the NOX emissions are regulated in all cars and ICE engines. Can your system do a closed loop so no NOX emissions escapes?

Thanks, Mike

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Congratulations Mike and Alex.
If you can clarify a question on your reactor it would be helpful.
With your system utilizing exhaust gas recirculation can the gas reactor provide combustible gas from a cold start or is it necessary to start an i.c.e. with a fossil fuel to warm up the reactor.

It will start from its very small reserve in a rest tank

Mike

[Michael John Nunnerley]

active and none active gases

@All

Let me explain a few things which seem to be that people do not understand.

Gases can be in two basic forms, active and none active, let us take a gas that most car enthusiasts know about!!!! nitrous oxide "N2O", now I will put it in a simpler form N2+O, what do we have? normal Nitrogen "N2" and an active oxygen "O", yes active, it is atomic, it is not O2.

Nitrogen is NEARLY an unique carrier of other gases in their atomic form, that is why it is used as an enhancer in petrol engines and works better than a turbo charger, but it is not only the extra oxygen, if it was so we would just put a tank of extra oxygen and not N2O. The atomic oxygen on its own would not live more than micro secounds ON ITS OWN, now can you see what is happening? active means reactive.

Now NH3, what do we have if we make this simpler, N+H+H+H, both the nitrogen and the hydrogen are atomic or in this case we call it ACTIVE, we have an active gas, ammonia, and WHY IS AMMONIA USED FOR CLEANING? because it is ACTIVE or reactive on the dirt.

Now if we can make NH3+N2O in an instance, we have a VERY active gas mix which will power an engine far more than if we put in H2+O2, we will infact have in its simplest form H+H+H+O+(N+N2). Now I am not going into what happens to the gases after combustion, take it from me that most is reused and a small amount of nitrogen goes back into the air.

The formation of the NH3 and N2O is done prior to the engine intake and NOT IN THE CYLINDER as has been said that happens a few posts earlier, and the production of NH3 and N2O is dependant on producing active nitrogen in the first place and is one of the MOST DIFFICULT things to do.

I hope I have explained myself on this matter and anybody trying to run an engine on H2 and O2 without using a vast amount of energy to produce them, are barking up the wrong tree, IT HAS TO BE AN ACTIVE GAS.

Mike

[ZeroMassInertia]

Congratulations Mike and Alex.
If you can clarify a question on your reactor it would be helpful.
With your system utilizing exhaust gas recirculation can the gas reactor provide combustible gas from a cold start or is it necessary to start an i.c.e. with a fossil fuel to warm up the reactor.

[vrand]

Sucayho,
Some confusion is present at this point..
Cardac member ask about an "fantastic creation" of NH3 inside chambre of combustion using LPG or CH4 with HHO and AIR.
Sorry but doesn't work in that way .. isn't the " chemical little one" game..
I ask that using CO2,H2O,N2,O2, that a today are GASOLINE EXAUST GAS and normally are espelled out, with that reactor can be possible process these creating new combustible gas fuel identified in H3C-NH2 and called methylamine with sub-product like N2O.
About NH3/N2O creation we don't use any petrol combustible but ONLY Nitrogen and Water mist, first that mixture is processed from an pre-ionizer stage and after is sended immediately inside reactor.. OUT of reactor NH3/N2O is recomposed inside an rest chambre, time of molecular recomposition depend from technology used inside, however, as Mike ask, is 0.5-5 sec max; rest chambre is used also as little gas fuel tank reserve. Now I think to have explain better the scenario and sorry for my english

Thank you for explaining the process Alex.

Have you tried to fuel an engine using only Nitrogen & water mist? What were the test results?

Thanks. Mike

[tutanka]

Agree, copper is a good catalyst. Some use it for catalytic converter.


How about air and water only, without any hydro carbon, before the piston?



Is there plan to implement it on normal engine?

Maybe before the air filter for better air ionization or after a carburetor like GEET to make a better gasoline air mix. I would be very interested to hear the result even without dyno. I think atleast the exhaust would be odorless.

Sucayho,
Some confusion is present at this point..
Cardac member ask about an "fantastic creation" of NH3 inside chambre of combustion using LPG or CH4 with HHO and AIR.
Sorry but doesn't work in that way .. isn't the " chemical little one" game..
I ask that using CO2,H2O,N2,O2, that a today are GASOLINE EXAUST GAS and normally are espelled out, with that reactor can be possible process these creating new combustible gas fuel identified in H3C-NH2 and called methylamine with sub-product like N2O.
About NH3/N2O creation we don't use any petrol combustible but ONLY Nitrogen and Water mist, first that mixture is processed from an pre-ionizer stage and after is sended immediately inside reactor.. OUT of reactor NH3/N2O is recomposed inside an rest chambre, time of molecular recomposition depend from technology used inside, however, as Mike ask, is 0.5-5 sec max; rest chambre is used also as little gas fuel tank reserve. Now I think to have explain better the scenario and sorry for my english

[Vickers]

Is there plan to implement it on normal engine?

Maybe before the air filter for better air ionization or after a carburetor like GEET to make a better gasoline air mix. I would be very interested to hear the result even without dyno. I think atleast the exhaust would be odorless.

The working model would be fitted behind the CAT.

[sucahyo]

trust me... copper will get red hot in seconds

Agree, copper is a good catalyst. Some use it for catalytic converter.

that when you mix air (79%nitrogen) with some CNG, or LPG, and then add some "watergas" or hydrogen to the mix - that anyone knows that you will land up with NH3 - in the piston..... and because of this - which others have already discovered - probably 3 years ago or so

How about air and water only, without any hydro carbon, before the piston?

In the case for this thread we can use very fine water mist as our source of H2 and O2 and convert directly into NH3 and N2O and a small amount of other nitrogen oxides.

Is there plan to implement it on normal engine?

Maybe before the air filter for better air ionization or after a carburetor like GEET to make a better gasoline air mix. I would be very interested to hear the result even without dyno. I think atleast the exhaust would be odorless.

[tutanka]

....hi there - well - I am surprised at Mike - for being so prudent as to believe that he has something really "world breaking" - and a first etc etc... I also would like to tell - Mike that what he seems to be revolutionary - was actually told to me - quite a while ago by a fellow - much more versed in the stuff - a fair time ago.... and that Alex probably - worked with this fellow - and then decided to 'switch' - companions...hmmm... and then took this fellows - ideas and discussions and then used them...hmmm - a bit of a sad idea I believe.....hmmm.

Also - Mike - as someone who has been around the block in/on - the days of Stan - that when you mix air (79%nitrogen) with some CNG, or LPG, and then add some "watergas" or hydrogen to the mix - that anyone knows that you will land up with NH3 - in the piston..... and because of this - which others have already discovered - probably 3 years ago or so... nothing you have claimed - has anything - remotely - surprisingly new, to it..!!!!

I read this post - and was really amazed - that such an old idea - is now all of a sudden claimed as revolutionary, and new....hmmm...

thanks
regards
cardac

I suppose that you are more confused.. seem that you know Mike but surely not me Our project is't use CNG or LPG and mix HHO or hydrogen with air (nitrogen 78%) but create new gas NH3/N2O on demand using specified process with an high efficency reactor, that use very new technology process and is completely different from any HHO cell or Plasma cell present on market.
I suggest you, first to reply, to read completely that thread. Regards Alex

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Do you know my past?

....hi there - well - I am surprised at Mike - for being so prudent as to believe that he has something really "world breaking" - and a first etc etc... I also would like to tell - Mike that what he seems to be revolutionary - was actually told to me - quite a while ago by a fellow - much more versed in the stuff - a fair time ago.... and that Alex probably - worked with this fellow - and then decided to 'switch' - companions...hmmm... and then took this fellows - ideas and discussions and then used them...hmmm - a bit of a sad idea I believe.....hmmm.

Also - Mike - as someone who has been around the block in/on - the days of Stan - that when you mix air (79%nitrogen) with some CNG, or LPG, and then add some "watergas" or hydrogen to the mix - that anyone knows that you will land up with NH3 - in the piston..... and because of this - which others have already discovered - probably 3 years ago or so... nothing you have claimed - has anything - remotely - surprisingly new, to it..!!!!

I read this post - and was really amazed - that such an old idea - is now all of a sudden claimed as revolutionary, and new....hmmm...

thanks
regards
cardac

An interesting post! seems you know a lot about me, I wonder who you really are? especially when you seem to be new here or at least do not post anything.

Well you do not seem to know much! but you seem to know how this works! Hmmm more comments like that and you are on my don't read list.

Mike