Water Sparkplug

[grizli]

It seems obvious to me that the spherical head on the firestorm is the best approach (it follows Tesla's advice); however, it is also clear that if we want this design then we will have to build them ourselves.

My question is, does anyone have any good instructions on how to DIY for Firestorm design plugs?

What metal is top of plug : copper ? copper with platinum coating ? hmm

it can be done but how to galvanize platinum hmm

[little_old_lady]

Firestorm Plugs

It seems obvious to me that the spherical head on the firestorm is the best approach (it follows Tesla's advice); however, it is also clear that if we want this design then we will have to build them ourselves.

My question is, does anyone have any good instructions on how to DIY for Firestorm design plugs?

[grizli]

Hi grisli,

That's the publication. The VexUs circuit I designed, and the pictures of the Bug and test report of the initial test are from pp 15 - 23. The newer more efficient oscillator is on pp 24.

The plasma spark plug effect can't be achieved with resistor type noise suppression plugs as far as anyone presently knows.


The VexUs-6 circuit is below.

I have some questions about the circuit , and before all please answer me about leaning air fuel ration: did you do that on Bug ?(cant find that in pdf)

Why you use only 3uF discharging capacitor ?


maybe you could put series inductor that would work as choke(for neon bulbs) on the AC oscilator imput instead wasting energy on resistor ? According to pdf you used 60 hz power inverter (oscilator output)

So every spark plug on the market has resistor in the center rod ? whats its resistance ?

Thank you
Very nice work on the Bug

[gmeast]

circuit

Hi!
will that also work with normal spark plug ?
What about leaning ait fuel ratio ? did you do that to reduce gas imput?: what about changing point of ignition near TDC, or you left it as it was before ?

Can you compare mileage while using water fumes to operation without water fumes , of course with new spark plug?


Is this circuit you used : page 20 Water%20Spark%20Plug.pdf - DivShare

what about these from bosch

and this 12% average increase in MPG - Halo Spark Plugs

Hi grisli,

That's the publication. The VexUs circuit I designed, and the pictures of the Bug and test report of the initial test are from pp 15 - 23. The newer more efficient oscillator is on pp 24.

The plasma spark plug effect can't be achieved with resistor type noise suppression plugs as far as anyone presently knows.


The VexUs-6 circuit is below.

[grizli]

Hi grizli,

Haven't seen the valves.

The voltage runs 350 VDC to 400 VDC depending on frequency (RPM). I'll look up my files. It also requires an oscillator to drive the circuit, and a voltage multiplier (VexUs-6 has the doubler and isolation combined) ... I'll find those too or maybe someone has the one(s) I posted here months ago.

Steam was an I.V. drip onto the exhaust pipe inside the heater box. The pictures were posted here. The steam ingestion was from about 25 cc of water per mile.

The Firestorms were supplied to me for testing. You can't buy them yet ... maybe a limited supply soon though.

Greg

Hi!
will that also work with normal spark plug ?
What about leaning ait fuel ratio ? did you do that to reduce gas imput?: what about changing point of ignition near TDC, or you left it as it was before ?

Can you compare mileage while using water fumes to operation without water fumes , of course with new spark plug?


Is this circuit you used : page 20 Water%20Spark%20Plug.pdf - DivShare


what about these from bosch

and this 12% average increase in MPG - Halo Spark Plugs

[gmeast]

numbers

Hi !
Thats nice
so engine temperature dropped.. and valves are ok ?! Did you lean gas mixture and how much ?

how much steam is injected ?

So you used only 1 uF capacitor to get plasma spark or , what voltage across cap ?


where to buy Firestorm ?


and can you link me this circuit please cant find it: VexUs-6 , The same You used...
I have some tome to collect all data and circuits.. so I can follow

Thank You !

Hi grizli,

Haven't seen the valves.

The voltage runs 350 VDC to 400 VDC depending on frequency (RPM). I'll look up my files. It also requires an oscillator to drive the circuit, and a voltage multiplier (VexUs-6 has the doubler and isolation combined) ... I'll find those too or maybe someone has the one(s) I posted here months ago.

Steam was an I.V. drip onto the exhaust pipe inside the heater box. The pictures were posted here. The steam ingestion was from about 25 cc of water per mile.

The Firestorms were supplied to me for testing. You can't buy them yet ... maybe a limited supply soon though.

Greg

[grizli]

Hi all,

What I am testing is:
1.) VW engine running on gasoline
2.) steam is generated from waste exhaust heat and ingested with the fuel-air (after the air cleaner)
3.) ignition system is my VexUs-6 Water Spark Plug Plasma circuit firing Firestorm plugs (VexUs using only 1 uF cap though).

I posted the results of the ORIGINAL test run here in this forum and on Overunity. The MPG went from 25 MPG to 37 MPG. This 300 mile test run used stock non suppressive spark plugs.

The exhaust temperature at cruise went from 650 deg F to 485 deg F. This plus the MPG gain all proved a NEW thermo-cycle.

Now I'm improving the steam circuit and leaving the ignition the same but now with the addition of the Firestorm plugs.

... hope this clears thing up a little.

Peace,

Greg

Hi !
Thats nice
so engine temperature dropped.. and valves are ok ?! Did you lean gas mixture and how much ?

how much steam is injected ?

So you used only 1 uF capacitor to get plasma spark or , what voltage across cap ?


where to buy Firestorm ?


and can you link me this circuit please cant find it: VexUs-6 , The same You used...
I have some tome to collect all data and circuits.. so I can follow

Thank You !

[gmeast]

cycle

Hi!

I doubt exhast will be that hot if only water used as fuel hmm ..

And,. I think classic spark plug is NOT GOOD.. I mean if water fumes go though air intake or carburator : water fumes are not GAS itself. and plasma does not reach ALL volume of cylinder: of you see S.M spark plug its completely different.. all water is inside chamber inside spark plug where HV pulse is applied.
After all firestorm is not produced any you can not buy it: what about producing your own spark plug hmm
Is there any mass produced on the market similar to firestorm ?
whats your opinion about that ?

Hi all,

What I am testing is:
1.) VW engine running on gasoline
2.) steam is generated from waste exhaust heat and ingested with the fuel-air (after the air cleaner)
3.) ignition system is my VexUs-6 Water Spark Plug Plasma circuit firing Firestorm plugs (VexUs using only 1 uF cap though).

I posted the results of the ORIGINAL test run here in this forum and on Overunity. The MPG went from 25 MPG to 37 MPG. This 300 mile test run used stock non suppressive spark plugs.

The exhaust temperature at cruise went from 650 deg F to 485 deg F. This plus the MPG gain all proved a NEW thermo-cycle.

Now I'm improving the steam circuit and leaving the ignition the same but now with the addition of the Firestorm plugs.

... hope this clears thing up a little.

Peace,

Greg

[grizli]

Hi grizli and all,

In the case of steam with regards to my particular testing and goals, I generate the steam for 'free' using waste heat from the hot exhaust. I do this because it does not make any additional demands on the engine (via alternator load).

I intend to run the engine in a fundamentally different thermodynamic cycle and improve efficiency ... eventually adding hydroxy as a further enhancement.

There have been suggestions that extending the plasma spark as multiple events would add great benefit. In fact I think the Meyers system does that with resonance. There are many, many facets to these technologies ... hard to grasp it all and test it all. Thank goodness for the number of people with true interests in these things.

Peace,

Greg

Hi!

I doubt exhast will be that hot if only water used as fuel hmm ..

And,. I think classic spark plug is NOT GOOD.. I mean if water fumes go though air intake or carburator : water fumes are not GAS itself. and plasma does not reach ALL volume of cylinder: of you see S.M spark plug its completely different.. all water is inside chamber inside spark plug where HV pulse is applied.
After all firestorm is not produced any you can not buy it: what about producing your own spark plug hmm
Is there any mass produced on the market similar to firestorm ?
whats your opinion about that ?

[grizli]

Grizli,

In order for your electrolyzer to heat up enough to cause steam from the process you will have had to use quite a bit of electrolyte and are going to have to use a bubbler to stop that stuff from getting into the engine. The steam won't make it through the bubbler.

If the plasma made from say the vexus circuit is able to release the energy within the said fuel it contacts, then wouldn't you just be going through extra steps in separating the water molecules before the plasma does just that?

Warren

No... increase voltage you dont need much electrolyte... you can actually use tap water and about 50 -100 V per cell
why use heater this is seems better

[gmeast]

steam

what about using HHO concentric tube electrolizer for both ? For generating steam and for generating HHO

That way we will have mixture of HHO and steam.. that will be ingited using plasma spark plug
maybe HHO and plasma combination will even improve the process...

About that LC swing oscilation... problem with series inductor with capacitor could be that we can not that way use eletrlitic capacitor cause AC osclication... oil capacitors of the same capacity are much bigger

I wonder will LC series improve something ?

Hi grizli and all,

In the case of steam with regards to my particular testing and goals, I generate the steam for 'free' using waste heat from the hot exhaust. I do this because it does not make any additional demands on the engine (via alternator load).

I intend to run the engine in a fundamentally different thermodynamic cycle and improve efficiency ... eventually adding hydroxy as a further enhancement.

There have been suggestions that extending the plasma spark as multiple events would add great benefit. In fact I think the Meyers system does that with resonance. There are many, many facets to these technologies ... hard to grasp it all and test it all. Thank goodness for the number of people with true interests in these things.

Peace,

Greg

[boostedbb]

Grizli,

In order for your electrolyzer to heat up enough to cause steam from the process you will have had to use quite a bit of electrolyte and are going to have to use a bubbler to stop that stuff from getting into the engine. The steam won't make it through the bubbler.

If the plasma made from say the vexus circuit is able to release the energy within the said fuel it contacts, then wouldn't you just be going through extra steps in separating the water molecules before the plasma does just that?

Warren

[grizli]

what about using HHO concentric tube electrolizer for both ? For generating steam and for generating HHO

That way we will have mixture of HHO and steam.. that will be ingited using plasma spark plug
maybe HHO and plasma combination will even improve the process...

About that LC swing oscilation... problem with series inductor with capacitor could be that we can not that way use eletrlitic capacitor cause AC osclication... oil capacitors of the same capacity are much bigger

I wonder will LC series improve something ?

[gmeast]

update

Hello everyone,

I'm happy to say that the 'water-spark-plug-plasma-circuit' part of the effort has been trouble free since the last rev of the VexUs piggyback circuit (months back) ... it's been all the other crap that's gotten in the way ... oil leak, carb problems, not enough time in the day, etc.

I had a problem with my pilot jet in the Bug's carb. The hole in the casting was cross threaded (by me of course). I found another carb body (now I have three) and changed in new parts.

My oil fix was tits in that it's the first time I can remember it being absolutely DRY under the Bug. I'm finishing up the steam water work ... adding some preheat (more steel tubing), etc. so I can put 'too' much steam through the system. Also I discovered a slight pressure drop through the heater box so I'll put a blower in to mitigate that. The carb cooler circuit works great too (duct air directed to the upper carb body to keep bowl from boiling).

Almost ready to get back to testing ... yahoo!

Peace,

Greg

[boostedbb]

Greg, That is great news about the firestorm replica plug wear. Thanks for the update. Now if a plug like that was available to the public we might be in business.