Water Sparkplug

[gotoluc]

I just ran a 7HP Briggs engine (with the wasted spark) on water and 15% isopropanol using my Vexus circuit and the Silver Firestorm Robin made me. I had to sleeve and re-tap the cylinder head to receive the plug. - Just a hint: The isopropanol and water were not mixed but instead aspirated via separate carburetors.

Greg

Hi Greg,

nice to see you are still working on the research.

Thank you for keeping it going and to continue to publicly share your techniques and results

Looking forward to see a video demo if possible!

Luc

[sucahyo]

How everyone reduce current?
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[kumaran]

Hi Jet,

Will be joining you soon. Still finding time to complete my projects. Sorry to hear about your shop. Accident happens sometime but more important, we survive.

Great to hear from you Greg
Those are some impressive results. What capacity did you use for the plasma discharge? Can you make a video about that?
I am going to work on the genset setup using plasma, hho and steam as soon as my shop is ready and all the cleaning and repainting jobs will be over.
Good that you are still experimenting
Thanks,
Jetijs

[ewizard]

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I've decided to cease posting updates here now. If the other team members choose to post details, then that's entirely up to them. I'm done with it.

Perhaps the most disturbing aspect for me, is that the fringe element seems to think we've used information gained by being members of this site for our own benefit, which is simply not true. I'd like for someone to show me where we've done this.

Our project is quite different from that of anyone else here, so how can we now be accused of poaching free info? I just don't understand how this accusation can be levelled against us.

Everybody wants everything for free it seems, so I will part company with some free advice, just keep working at your own projects, and don't just sit back waiting for some Saint to come along and hand you their very own hard work for free, that will never happen in this lifetime, or the next.

I personally would be fine with paying for detailed info on a working technology such as this or buying a device needed to implement it. I would not expect someone who has put so much into a project to get nothing from it. While I wouldn't object to such a philanthropic gesture if one was in a position to offer it for free I would not expect it. But please don't let the PTB or free energy suppressors win here. I'm not sure who is accusing you of poaching info here but don't let that stop your plans or the PTB will have already won.

I had the feeling when you announced this that things like this would happen to discourage you and it's why I suggested deleting your post until everything was totally in place. But now that it's been done it's all about ignoring the feeble attempts to discourage, staying out of ego and putting your focus on your plan.

[rosco1]

Not backing down.

@ewizard,
@Aaron
@Everyone else.

Thanks for the support.

We're certainly not backing away from this and we are still moving forward.

The reason we asked for everybody to remain patient and to desist in posing questions to us, is simply that for us to take the time to respond, we in turn lose precious sleep.

Fatigue can lead to a loss of focus, as well as having the potential of leading us into making a critical error of judgement, and it's for that reason, we cannot be more open at this point in time.

We've simply come too far, and done too much, to allow for a fatigue related error now.

Regards to all.

[ashtweth]

And all this has come to pass due to a thread the OPEN SOURCE community started here at the energetic forum

Every bit of help and info counts, think of what would be with out the open source FREE energy community, Aaron, if you need a doc to help get the word out on the uni site just let me know (ionization nitrogen fuel etc), I am sure Patrick and i could come up with some thing.

Thanks Aaron for all the hard posting.

Ash

[Xack]

Responses

@ewizard,
@Aaron
@Everyone else.

Thanks for the support.

We're certainly not backing away from this and we are still moving forward.

The reason we asked for everybody to remain patient and to desist in posing questions to us, is simply that for us to take the time to respond, we in turn lose precious sleep.

Fatigue can lead to a loss of focus, as well as having the potential of leading us into making a critical error of judgement, and it's for that reason, we cannot be more open at this point in time.

We've simply come too far, and done too much, to allow for a fatigue related error now.

Regards to all.

First, Thank you for the information you have shared. It sounds very exciting as you've described so far.

But..... somehow I can't quite imagine how posting some details of what your doing or theory can be so exhausting that it deprives you of your sleep.

(Perhaps you need a faster internet connection?....)

If you replied to each of the hundred(s) of personal messages that would indeed take lots of time. But, I can't imagine that you could not just post one message to answer 99% of the question(s).

For me, at least, come up with a better line.

Xack

[glenn_aircooled]

That is Fantastic..!
A group has come up with the way to run ordinary motors on Water.
I am sure that the Majority of people here would support you and are
eager to see this running...... then being sold to Billions of people
Ridding our World of So Much pollution.!
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I like the idea of of the water run generator - electricity is getting so expensive.
Looks like bigger rain water tanks will be needed .
All the best to you People.
Glenn.

[Guruji]

Water sparkplug

That is Fantastic..!
A group has come up with the way to run ordinary motors on Water.
I am sure that the Majority of people here would support you and are
eager to see this running...... then being sold to Billions of people
Ridding our World of So Much pollution.!
-
I like the idea of of the water run generator - electricity is getting so expensive.
Looks like bigger rain water tanks will be needed .
All the best to you People.
Glenn.

Hi Glenn this has already be done in the past by Stanley Meyers and shown his car on the news too.
There are videos on youtube if you're interested and skeptic if this could be done or not.
Just search youtube.
Thanks
Andrew

[glenn_aircooled]

Thanks Andrew. Meyers system appears to me to be a " Non - Repeatable "
set up.
After So many years of Licensing, prototyping, dealing, it never got sold
to customers.
I would hope that this group here would not go down the same road as Meyer.
There are plenty of people here that would gladly buy an early production
" working unit ". The units would be out - the systems would be refined by the
designers... well I hope any way.
Glenn.

[Allcanadian]

@ashtweth

And all this has come to pass due to a thread the OPEN SOURCE community started here at the energetic forum

I would agree completely, but then we hear comments like this from Rosco1

---"Everybody wants everything for free it seems, so I will part company with some free advice, just keep working at your own projects, and don't just sit back waiting for some Saint to come along and hand you their very own hard work for free, that will never happen in this lifetime, or the next."

Can you imagine what our world would be like if everyone had the integrity and character to think of the well being of everyone on this planet before there own dreams of grandure? Yet time and time again we see people come to the forums and "take" free and openly given knowledge which they use then accuse others of wanting something for free, . Do they think all of the knowledge "given" in this forum and the net just fell on the persons lap without any work being involved? The fact remains that many here would have little if it was not for the hard work of people like ashtweth, stefan and Aaron who create places or environments where people can find knowledge and share it openly.

@rosco1

Perhaps the most disturbing aspect for me, is that the fringe element seems to think we've used information gained by being members of this site for our own benefit, which is simply not true. I'd like for someone to show me where we've done this.

Let's ask a few simple questions ---
1) Did you have any knowledge of prior art which influenced your suppossed idea?
Yes of course, you must have learned something from someone else at some point otherwise you cannot learn anything, others knowledge has led you to a new understanding thus the "others" are as much a part of your success as anything. It does not matter who it is, it may well be your high school math teacher from years ago but everyone around you has influenced your thoughts in some way.
2)Have you used information gained by being members of this site for our own benefit?
Yes of course, to state otherwise would imply all the posts you have read here have not influenced you in any way which is impossible. Has this benefited you personally? Yes it has because if you had not read all of these posts, which I know you have, you would not have the knowledge of prior art which has led to your "new" idea. New idea's do not appear out of thin air, they are always a product of prior knowledge or experience and very often these new idea's are in fact not new in any way.

"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --Albert Einstein.

My purpose is not to offend you and if I have I will apologize in advance, but too many times I have seen people succeed and then be overcome by a sort of delusion. This delusion starts as fear that they will not be recognized for the work they have done thus not recieve their just rewards that they believe they deserve. Next is the fear that someone will steal their idea which leads to thoughts of conspiracy and reclusive anti-social behavior. Followed by contempt for others, because others have not succeeded they are seen as inferior and "undeserving" of the knowledge gained. In the end a "to hell with them all Im going to get rich" attitude evolves and the whole dream degenerates into chaos. The comical part is everyone always says-- "this will never happen to me"-- and it almost always does, LOL. I am not saying I am any different or better than anyone else but understanding the problem is always a big part of the solution. Through years of research of the history of invention I have found there is seldom a suppossed "conspiracy" and it is usually a self-inflicted failure, we are our own worst enemy because we are only human, nothing more --nothing less. I am not saying you should do anything but every day we should ask ourselves-- "why am I doing this?" and "who am I doing this work for really?", we can say whatever we want but deep down we know the truth, we know who we are.
Regards
AC

[rosco1]

Bwahaha!

Let's ask a few simple questions ---
1) Did you have any knowledge of prior art which influenced your suppossed idea?

** No, I was studying normal beefed up spark and the FireStorm concept when I got sidetracked into looking at plasma.

Yes of course, you must have learned something from someone else at some point otherwise you cannot learn anything, others knowledge has led you to a new understanding thus the "others" are as much a part of your success as anything. It does not matter who it is, it may well be your high school math teacher from years ago but everyone around you has influenced your thoughts in some way.

** Again no, when I embarked on researching plasma, there weren't many places to gather info, so it was a simple test and see scenario, and nowhere here on this forum will you find anything like what we did. Please show me where anything like what we did has been mentioned here before, or anywhere else for that matter.

2)Have you used information gained by being members of this site for our own benefit?

** On the contrary, I've freely given advice here on many occasions, yet as nobody was doing what we were doing, it's a little hard to get advice of others for something altogether different from the mainstream views, hence why we succeeded. Again, please show me where something we did has been discussed here.

Yes of course, to state otherwise would imply all the posts you have read here have not influenced you in any way which is impossible.

** Not impossible, plain fact. Again, show me where anything we did was discuused by anyone else here.

Has this benefited you personally? Yes it has because if you had not read all of these posts, which I know you have, you would not have the knowledge of prior art which has led to your "new" idea.

** Show me where someone else has "modelled" plasma plume shapes here.

New idea's do not appear out of thin air, they are always a product of prior knowledge or experience and very often these new idea's are in fact not new in any way.

**It may gall you to learn that nobody aided us in this discovery, but I can assure you, this is precisely the way it went down. Call it "divine intervention" if you will, for the design manifested in a fleeting thought, and we applied it in good faith, not knowing if we were right, but as it turns out, we were, end of story. We did test further, and lost the modelled shape, thus, we went back to where it began, and stayed with it. Call it luck, or an educated guess, but regardless, we nailed it and that's all that matters.

[rosco1]

Unbelieveable!

Can you imagine what our world would be like if everyone had the integrity and character to think of the well being of everyone on this planet before there own dreams of grandure? Yet time and time again we see people come to the forums and "take" free and openly given knowledge which they use then accuse others of wanting something for free, .

** Mate, you really should pull your head in and research the facts prior to making a thorough goose of yourself here. Again, show me where we "took" anything from this site and then "used" it to our own advantage. Our project is quite different to that of anyone else here, at least to the best of our knowledge.

Do they think all of the knowledge "given" in this forum and the net just fell on the persons lap without any work being involved?

** Urmm, we did do all the work ourselves, show me where we copied anyone elses work.

The fact remains that many here would have little if it was not for the hard work of people like ashtweth, stefan and Aaron who create places or environments where people can find knowledge and share it openly.

** Granted, Ash has been aware of our project for quite some time now, and in the many private conversations we've had over the last couple of years, I'm quite sure he thought we were barking up the wrong tree, and yet now that we've gone ahead and done what we set out to do, to be fair, I still think he's shocked that we managed to pull it off, as our approach was quite markedly different to that of everyone else.

This is the point, we opted to take an altogether different route from everyone else, the right one it seems, so if our apparent foresight offends anyone, then so be it. Pre-judging us based on some sort of weird perception really only draws the spotlight back onto yourself mate, think about it. You haven't got a clue what we're doing, so don't you think it's a bit pre-emptive to start casting the stones?

Ash already knows he's not being forgotten, but as it's still early days, we can't readily disclose what we're thinking of doing, for many reasons.

We'd already previously agreed that Ash will play a role in the future of this projects exposure, so while you may like to be critical of me personally, and generally paint my team as suspect characters overall, rest assured, once we get rolling, your view will likely change for the affirmative, though to be honest, we don't really care too much for what you think, after all, who are you to us anyway?

[72 Ford Nut]

I for one could care less about illusions of grandeur. Are we not here as a community striving to overcome the shackles that have been placed upon us at birth? If I'm not mistaken, the whole purpose of water as a viable fuel is to rid the people globally from the shackles of energy slavery. Not merely prolonging it. This tech should be out for all to see, ASAP!
Those that have the ability to replicate it will in all honesty do so for that is in man's nature. On the other hand, there will be many that won't, could care less, or simply do their best to discredit and ridicule. That is their choice. One thing is certain, once this tech is available for replication there will be no stopping it. The key is to maximize exposure to the masses in such a way as there will be minimal interference from those seeking to shut it down and believe me, there are practically an infinite number of ways to skin the proverbial cat. The Open source community and the free market rules.
I certainly hope that this tech doesn't end up like Tesla, Meyers, Caggiano, and a host of others throughout history, literally lost. Some of these men were looking for personal enrichment, while others were simply trying to benefit mankind. Some were outright murdered, while others were simply hounded into their graves.
Please choose wisely.

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[Allcanadian]

@rosco1

It may gall you to learn that nobody aided us in this discovery, but I can assure you, this is precisely the way it went down

I was studying normal beefed up spark and the FireStorm concept when I got sidetracked into looking at plasma.

Again no, when I embarked on researching plasma, there weren't many places to gather info, so it was a simple test and see scenario

So nobody aided you but you have admitted to "studying" the firestorm concept and "researching" plasma? Does all this studying and research of others work not constitute aid or does all the literature you have studied and researched to get to this point count for nothing? The problem is you think I am accusing you of copying or stealing something when I am not, this is called paranoia and relates to the fear I refered to in my last post. It does not gall me that you think nobody aided you in your discovery in any way, in fact just the opposite, I would call it sorrow that you believe this.

though to be honest, we don't really care too much for what you think, after all, who are you to us anyway

Why does this comment not surprise me, life is going to be hard for you my friend regardless of any success you may find. In any case, I do wish you good luck in your endeavour.
Regards
AC