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[NickZ]

Ok, guys, enough said about galvanic cells.
Well just one more thing before parting off from this subject.
If you take two different metals, and put them into a puddle of salts. What do you get, yes, the old faithful galvanic cell. Now, if you dehydrate it, and remove all the water that can be removed, what do you get? Yes, a galvanic cell that can no longer conduce electricity, as we now know. Right? Ok, now, if you want to make a cell that is non-galvanic, you don't just dry the galvanic cell, and call it non-galvanic. Do you follow me? So what is necessary to have a cell that is really something not like our old friend that we know and love?
Good question... So, my idea is not by following what we have been doing up to now.
I'm going to think about this some more and will answer, soon... but, in the meantime, maybe some of you that are interested in the subject can expound on your thoughts.
I just wanted to say that someone has sugested that I give an example of what I mean. Well, that is so easy to say, but I need some time on this.
More to come...
NickZ

[NickZ]

You have been on that same direction for years, what have you accomplished???? Pico amps, and useless output. You do not listen. That is why you have nothing to show for it. John has mentioned it to you, I have mentioned it to you. There is NO hope with you? 0+0 = 0 Wake up! You have nothing to show for it. You know that if you had a point, I would back you up...100% but, you don't. I'm on YOUR side, but, you are not getting anywhere with this, years are passing... Do you want to show your totally dim led output to everyone, is that it? Wow!

[ibpointless2]

Ib2:
Are you saying that pico amps are what you are trying to accomplish, by not adding water? Don't you get it yet? This is a useless direction that you are suggesting. Years have gone by, and this is what you want people to follow, I don't understand you. You may as well put a nail in a tree, no wonder this thread is going nowhere. Wake up!!! Wow it dimly lit an led, so, what are you going to do with it. Common guys, get with it...
Your thread at overunity is still trying to light a red led after months to no avail. What is your point...
My patients is up, sorry.

My point is that water is what destroy's the metals. Yes adding water to a cell will give your high amps that you look for but at a high price. Avoid water and the metals don't corrode, and if the metals don't corrode the cell will continue to output power forever, its that simple.

Its better to lead people in the right direction than to mislead them with false hopes. My amps maybe low but what I got is real, and not galvanic.

We were doing so good until everyone wanted to play with water batteries, remember the semiconductor cells like this one Real solid state crystal. John Bedini - YouTube

What happen? We were doing just fine until we wanted more! We wanted more amps and to do this we had to cheat a little and invite our friend galvanic into the party.

You think in the form of watts when you really should think in joules. When you add the time factor in you can do some substitution of time for more amps and you can have all the amps in the world you want. So in the end it doesn't matter what your cell produces because all there factors (volts, amps, time) can be swapped around to get you what you want. This was something i learn from playing with my low amp cells.

Like i said my amps maybe low but at least I stayed true to myself and stayed focused on cells that are not galvanic and didn't need water to stay alive.

[NickZ]

Ib2:
Are you saying that pico amps are what you are trying to accomplish, by not adding water? Don't you get it yet? This is a useless direction that you are suggesting. Years have gone by, and this is what you want people to follow, I don't understand you. You may as well put a nail in a tree, no wonder this thread is going nowhere. Wake up!!! Wow it dimly lit an led, so, what are you going to do with it. Common guys, get with it...
Your thread at overunity is still trying to light a red led after months to no avail. What is your point...
My patients is up, sorry.

[ibpointless2]

Water is what makes a cell galvanic, this is why things rust when in contact with water. I have said it many times, its the water that corrodes the metals. The energy is already there but when you use water as a median to get the energy you also have to deal with the water destroying the thing that gives you the energy, avoid water and the dipole will be permanent. Has this been done? Yes, I've done it with the pressure cell and JB has replicated it too. IBpointlass2 Cell and a Hydrate Crystal Cell.wmv - YouTube and Copper tube Pressure cell - YouTube

[NickZ]

Brad:
Always good to hear from you, anytime.
Whether any of these cells are non-galvanic or not, was the original question, or intention. But, after some years at this, we may have given up on that goal. That is, a cell that does not break-down with time, and that does not use a chemical reaction to produce an output, at its own expense. Not even water, as when it's used as a fuel, like in the fuel cells.
I for one, am still very interested in that original approach. And don't believe that that is all there is to it. Cells that break-down in time are not very interesting to me, even though they work well for a while. Of course, there is nothing wrong with that, nor do they have to last forever. But, there are already plenty of cells like that, even at 12 cents a shot, thanks to our oriental friends, that work almost for free.
So, I'm still hopeful that a semiconductor cell that harvests the surrounding ambient energy can be produced, even by us, that will not be like all the rest.
That is my goal, whether it becomes a reality, or not.
I believe in the all possibility. To dumb to know otherwise.
Nick

[b_rads]

Not there yet!

@all;




Even solar is not free! These can be very expensive systems to set up (solar panels, controllers, storage, etc) and they do not last forever.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with galvanic cells if we take them for what they are and are inexpensive to build, otherwise, buy the 12.5 cent AA battery from the dollar store. To recycle junk and waste into energy is a great place to start.

I have many different type cells prepared and sitting on a shelf ready to put into action should the need arise. What I personally would like to see is a better storage application for power when needed. Secondary batteries are typically not environmentally safe and expensive to replace and they do have built in losses associated. Hydrogen can be stored, but is still expensive to make and is volatile. Name any other method of power storage and they all have some kind of problem associated with them.

I am thankful to all the people that I have interacted with on this thread and have learned so much from everyone involved here. With the knowledge gained from this thread and others, as well as participating on other sites, I am at least gaining confidence in these technologies and more willing to be creative in this new hobby of mine. I hope this will continue to be a hobby and not a necessity.

Brad S

[NickZ]

Allwest:
You need to add the de-polarizer, which they did mention but don't use, and give it a month or two, to see if it holds up, under a load of at least one led, or more. The de-polarizer will eat the aluminum, alloy or not, but without it the current will drop, as hydrogen gas production will take its toll. Yes, you can harvest this gas output from the hydrolysis reaction, until the cell dissolves.
You did not mention the current or voltage readings, so, the important thing is to see how long it will last. Like your chile cell, what does it give now... under load? You have not mentioned, or showed the long term results, only to say "it has dropped".
Carbon and aluminum normally don't output what they say it gives, 1.6volts, and which they did not show, especially after some time, not minutes.
Normally the output of aluminum (or their alloys) and carbon is found to be around a volt or so, especially when using leak diluted electrolyte solutions, that do also break down in time. Or using no electrolytes, other than water, or air moisture.

I am using activated carbon, as that has been found to give the best output, at least that I've tried, and does not rust out. And aluminum alloy tubing for my cells, that also have been anodized. Main thing is how long will it last, and at what output.

John cells were giving almost 2 amps, that is what I remember seeing, and dropping down to about 1.3 amps or so, UNDER LOAD.
The second video that you mentioned is also not the last video. His best last cells and videos that were uploaded are not being shown, any more. I don't think that he has been doing nothing this whole time. On the contrary. But, the result that he had shown, speak for themselves. If I could only find them, but I can't.
Anyways, enough said about our most productive man here, I just wanted to bring you or any other new guys up to date, as far as I know, and remember. As I feel that this information may be important in the direction that is taken by the guys in this forum in the future, and should not be overlooked.

It does look like John last videos have been removed from Youtube, but, maybe someone has downloaded them, before that was done. Yes, No.? Or maybe he does not want them shown, as I would guess.

Moving on... check this video out. It is encouraging.
crystal battery testing.wmv - YouTube


NickZ

[Allwest]

Nick,

I tried the aluminum welding rod Chemalloy, and it does what it claims it does

Insert rod in water, read off the water and rod

Interesting

Best of luck

[Allwest]

Sorry forgot link:
Huifang XU, et al -- Zn Oxide photoelectrolysis
Jim

Thanks Jim

It is very interesting to have two power sources in one

It has been lighting an LED and pumping out the bubbles

Best of luck

[jehdds]

Some of my cell variants using ZnO split water as well.
See this research also that shows piezoelectrochemical effect.
Very Best Regards,
Jim

Sorry forgot link:
Huifang XU, et al -- Zn Oxide photoelectrolysis
Jim

[jehdds]

To All,

I have been making some cells, that when you put them in salt water they make Hydrogen

Put a lighter on the top of the hydrate water and fire crackers happen

Is this normal? and can you point me in the direction of others cells of same

Thanks!

Some of my cell variants using ZnO split water as well.
See this research also that shows piezoelectrochemical effect.
Very Best Regards,
Jim

[Allwest]

To All,

I have been making some cells, that when you put them in salt water they make Hydrogen

Put a lighter on the top of the hydrate water and fire crackers happen

Is this normal? and can you point me in the direction of others cells of same

Thanks!

[NickZ]

I'm sure that John is reading all this and laughing, or not. This is his thread, and started for the purpose of expounding his work and ideas, and any others that may contribute. He is not far away. And will probably let you know his thoughts, sooner or later.
Yes, it's true that I'm on his side, and support him, as well as anyone else working on this.
We all have and are entitled to an opinion, and I just wanted to bring you up to date, on what has been done here, as you may not know.
I don't value anyone over anyone else, in the way that you mentioned, but when someone works hard and provides us with a way to replicate what is being shown, that, I do value, and will not just brush it away under the carpet.
As you are new to all this, you may have no idea of what I'm talking about.

So, let's not just keep throwing out more opinions, and start making something USEABLE, for all to share.
I value your thoughts as much any ones. But, the proof is in the pudding...
NickZ

[Allwest]

Hi Nick,
Okay I will try and clarify myself

I really don't mean to sound combative on anything here, we are all in this together

I am just careful on what I follow and spend my time on, we have all been there chasing a wild dream someone has, the same as you had mentioned to someone else (I think it related to Pyramids) that you had spent allot of time on trying to replicate with no avail

You hold JB to a higher standard, I Don't, I hold him to a standard just like everyone else (test and prove)

I can guess at his motives for doing what he is doing, and one of them is to make MONEY, just like everyone else

That does not make him a good guy or bad guy

Regarding something old is not good or worth studying or bringing back is not the point here, I believe there is allot of things OLD worth bringing back and have value

But if the point here is to study crystal cells, JB is off track and should say so. If he is on to something else?, then that is fine with me, but don't lead us down a path thinking he is on the same track

I would love to have JB come on here and tell me I am wrong, and show us his results, but I am not going to hold my breath

Okay? I hope I did not offend anybody

Best of luck to all