Bedini Ferris Wheel Regauging Motor

[everyidea]

I don't believe Ed ever talked about using Reed switches... I'm pretty sure he just used alternating magnets, his un-powered PMH and magnet induced PMH switching coil fields to pull and push magnets and turn the wheel.

This is the machine I'm working on at least.

rw

[woopy]

Hi Gordyp

very good work

so i am in the starting block to replicate your motor as you can see

please indicate how the pmh (2 coils on the U iron core ) are wound

and the position of the reed switch (is it on the rotor magnet or on the pmh winding ?)

as i understood, you use a special reed switch that works only on the SOUTH pole ?

So i think that if i use a HALL sensor that works only on the S pole it will be OK


can you please post more pictures and a shematic ?

Anyway i will try every thing but your help will be very much appreciated

good luck at all

Laurent

[142857]

Yes, I'm new. Hi!

In a PMH, N and S currents running opposite directions around the path they have been set on(through the PMH)....round and round

So in thinking of the PMH without the cross bar connecting poles, instead I have magnets passing by NSNSNS. Sort of trapping those 'round and round' currents and making them bounce back and fourth in the U. If everything is timed properly that inital charge can't get out, like a regular PMH.

?

Sorry if that's stupid, heh, this might be above my head.

[redrichie]

I would like to add that nature like balance. When the pmh is aligned in attraction we are in balance. once spin starts we cause an imbalance and the motor looks for where it "needs " to go to find balance but due to flywheel inertia we (almost) sustain that imbalance. the magnets look for where the feel right and due to rotation the see the next available path that is coming and start to switch their currents to it. Part of me wants to think that the attraction stage donates magnets to the PMH and the repulsion expels those again.
LIke the little experiment with the ceramic and neo. I "feel" the opposing force between the neo and ceramic as normal. Those magnets are all piling up against the streams and opposing. But when in attraction the neos magnets north pole magnets are much FASTER and literally pull through the slower ceramic magnets south magnets. BUT, and Im just speculating, they only are able to make it to the source, the Bloch wall and literally hit a wall. while yes they are able to penetrate the bloch wall and the north pole of the ceramic is now BIGGER, the magnets are not moving at the speed of the neos any more. They are now moving at the speed of the ceramic, or at least close to it. The increase in the north field of the ceramic is due to extra magnets available, the south side, that is the neo has an increased number of magnets as well, but the neos currents have speed up the ceramics magnets and there are more of them. SOOO...It creates an imbalanced field. at least in my minds eye
BLOCH

[Matthew Jones]

John K,
You should not be intimated by me, say what you want, I'm all ears. Mathew should also say what he wants to me here as I'm all ears. I do not believe in skype or I would talk on it. I have enough problems with my computer. I do not even like answering E-mails for that reason. I'm not mad at anybody. So come on Mathew let's here what you half to say. Then I will tell you what I found out about ED's theorys. Mathew, I did not get to talk to you at the conference but I would have liked to.
I like talking to everybody because you never know what is going to pop up. The only reason to have gone to that conference for me was to show it could be done if the resources are available. I'm not into a mystical science I like to prove things with working models.
John

@John B
I am all ears right now. I haven't run off, I have to just follow things at the moment. I had project started before the conference and I have to see it through, you of all people know how that goes......
My nephews gotta science fair coming too, and he is planning to shock people. He's brighter than I ever was at 10. He loves this stuff, and I have to see him through as well.
Then there is the work, I do to keep funds coming in...
That said I am not shy and will talk if I think I have an answer that might help, or a question for that matter.

And John don't cry over spilled milk, I'm sure you'll get the opportunity to speak to with me in the future. LOL

I am a little confused as to what the goal is, and I am rereading to see if I can put it together in my head.

But here's how I am looking at it....

Based on what I read in "Magnetic Currents" ,is that locking up that PMH creates a continuous AC signal. Both magnetic currents are traveling around the holder, Spinning. If the ends are open the same effect can happen but it needs an outside magnetic force to redirect back into the iron (the rotor).
This constant push and pull, again an AC type signal. Should sustain itself with a small biasing current through the coils. Or maybe not.
I see a loop that will redirect itself, but the timing and layout of the thing is probably pretty critical.

But I need to set it up first before I can say for sure.

Cheers
Matt

[nenergy]

Lenz less coil

I have gotten very good results with the following coils, I think it's all because of the induced magnetic field being closed on the core and avoiding the back drag of Lenz.

this is very exciting. I have been testing all different type of coils and have gotten different phenomena.

1. ED magnetic current holder wound with magnet wire.

2. ED magnetic current holder wound with insulated steel wire. **

3. 2 MOT transformer wired in series used as field coil

4. 2 MOT transformer wired in series with 1:1 winding used as field coil. **

Your stator magnets must be 1: 0.75 coil axial.


Spin above 2000 rpm before applying load.

I urge you guys to try this experiment, post your findings on the ** cores.

** When I mount a small neo magnet on the larger ferrite, it will only center itself when the ferrite N/S is faced horizontally, meaning that it sits on the E/W face of the ferrite magnet??

[redrichie]

well here goes...there are both magnetic currents in the u bolt. reaching out and flowing into the other pole and back out. the magnets on the rotor are doing the same thing. making currents that flow in and out. when we start we are north opposing and south opposing causing push. normal. the wheel then rotates. right after repulsion the magnets come around and are in attraction. causing it speed up a little more. again normal. but what is not normal is we are trapping the magnets in a path through the u bolt. normally with just magnets or coils the magnets fly out and are wasted. so when our magnets pass by a pole it increases the number of magnets in circulation and causes a higher burst of that pole of magnets to come out the opposite side. to a degree making a self pulse motor but never off always on in eaither normal or higher satate of flow. i also feel that due to the close proximity of our north and south rotor magnets the scalar poles are "rubbing" against each other and making the scalr poles scalar superpoles and help with that bit of extra push/pull we need to overcome a normal pulse motors Lenz. so i kind of see it as a glider or bird kinda surfing the thermal current finding the best place to circle higher and higher. because like water and air magnetic currents may be able to speed up and give extra magnetism. i feel our circuit will not sustain at the moment due to geometry and improper spacing. the rotor and pmh werent designed for one another. the next will be better. sorry about spelling my phone is not a good one for typing here.

[gordyp]

Also with just battery hooked up with no switch we could spin the rotor and it almost sustained spin. It would push opposing poles, then attract the incoming poles, make the complete revolution and push the opposing poles again.


Why do you think it does this? Let's here your theory I'm all ears.
John B

John, it does not make sense to me and i would like your opinion. When you take the switch off the system your turning the ubolt into two electro mags with each and of the bolt its own mag. But with opposing poles facing out right? So making the flywheel with nsns would give you what I'm seeing and that the wheel is pushed and pulled by the ubolt. Problem is that there is another force that needs to be eliminated or am I wrong?the switch is what I would use but I'm trying to take that out of the system?

[Jetijs]

Hi guys here's a pic of the pmh pulse motor. The two coils are identical and are made for 24v in this setup I'm only using 18v. And about 120ma. There is a reed switch mounted to the top of one coil to pulse for drive. The magnets are nsns .

Nice little setup
Can you elaborate more about your magnet config? You say its NSNS, isnt it in superpole mode?
Thanks,
Jetijs

[John_Bedini]

Bedini GT3

Here is another thing when using ED's theory, Lenz's law does not apply to the universe, only to machines that use just one current in one direction. If it did apply the PHM it would not hold anything as one current would just drain away like all the electrical circuits. Ed said what you must do to get power without anything. The law only applies to positive electron circuits, no such thing in ED's world.
John B

[gordyp]

great setup, what kinsd of torque are you getting?, are the ferrite magnets touching or is there a small gap?

Dono about touque kinda hard to give an accurate description. The magnets do have a gap id say on the inside of the hub about half an inch and on the farthest an inch. Each Magnet that triggers the system is triggering at a andgle to the closest coil when it fires with about a halfinch gap from the coil

[John_Bedini]

Bedini GT3

Also with just battery hooked up with no switch we could spin the rotor and it almost sustained spin. It would push opposing poles, then attract the incoming poles, make the complete revolution and push the opposing poles again.


Why do you think it does this? Let's here your theory I'm all ears.
John B

No aaron The field spins. Like a vortex, just like you showed in those pictures with the statue.
GordyP made a small motor yesterday using the PMH as the driver. It is 4 alternating pole ceramics on basically a CD using a VCR bearing. Was just to test functionality. He found a small reed that fires only on the south poles like a Hall. it worked great. the pmh fired every other side, pulsing the opposing pole. So essentially it was only on half the time but had a pretty good amount of torque compared to other pulse motors we have made in the past. If we had another PMH out of phase it would have really spun. or another reed to reverse the polarities. Im sure he will post video as soon as he tidies it up. So this does work as a motor as long as you have a switch.

Also with just battery hooked up with no switch we could spin the rotor and it almost sustained spin. It would push opposing poles, then attract the incoming poles, make the complete revolution and push the opposing poles again.
Could someone please tell me if im way off base in my last 2 posts

[redrichie]

We dont have a real way to measure the torque. It doesnt just stop when you put your finger to it. It will still push with a decent amount of pressure applied. I will let Gordy fill you in on the rest. its his machine.

I will say that there is decent sized window to move the coil around in when not in pulse motor mode. But it did seem to work well slightly tilted to the rotor. Prob due to the tight circumference of rotor and the fact that the 2 werent designed with each other in mind. The pulse motor works its fastest where you see it pictured.

[nenergy]

current holder

Hi guys here's a pic of the pmh pulse motor. The two coils are identical and are made for 24v in this setup I'm only using 18v. And about 120ma. There is a reed switch mounted to the top of one coil to pulse for drive. The magnets are nsns .

great setup, what kinsd of torque are you getting?, are the ferrite magnets touching or is there a small gap?

[gordyp]

Pmh Pulse Motor

i just wanted to be clear this setup was constructed by new member gordyp. i will have him get it ready. the weird thing is this motor has a lot of torque to be so small. way more than other pm that we have made in the past. also the pmh that gordyp has is really not all that powerful as pmh. at least not as far as i can tell compared to others pmh's. it is thinner u bolt with 2 solenoid coils. it was just to try it out. it was very encouraging last night. when i saw it i could not believe it really. even though it is exactly what we were setting out to do.

Hi guys here's a pic of the pmh pulse motor. The two coils are identical and are made for 24v in this setup I'm only using 18v. And about 120ma. There is a reed switch mounted to the top of one coil to pulse for drive. The magnets are nsns .