Bedini Ferris Wheel Regauging Motor

[nvisser]

Thanks to Rs for the PM about my deflection plate. I corrected it so it forms the upside down triangle like John explained. See photo in previous post.
I also adjusted my cap value so that I get the maximim voltage rise in 1 second before dumping.
It does perform better. Next I want to try a small dc bias on a single mag amp winding on the main coil to see what happens.

[redrichie]

I got a good deal on a rotor much like John K. A 4 ft round table. I plan on making "spokes" that extend out from the round to make a rotor at least 6 ft tall. Cant go any larger and it fit in the house, and have coils underneath rotor. could go almost 8 ft and have coils to side but didnt know if it would effect the design. Also would rather replicate as close as possible, like others, then expand from there.. The table top weighs in at about 30 lbs. with spokes I estimate weight to be around 80 lbs.
I have a question on magnets for this size rotor. Any suggestions? It seems like some of the common sizes are 3X2, 4X1, and 6X2. I am going to try for quadfilar 18-20ga at 1000 ft each. so about a 20 lb coil. (2 large rolls). any help here would be greatly appreciated.
Also, does core size depend on magnet dimensions?

[nvisser]

Miniature energizer

Double post

[nvisser]

Miniature horizontal Energizer

This is my attempt to try what was done on the ferris wheel.
No surprises so far.
It is a 30 cm wheel mounted horizontal on a big pc fan.
Main coil 11 Ohm single strand. Slave coils 5.5 Ohms. Mounted with the offsets as prescribed. I have not tried the mag amp theory here.
The cap pulsar consist out off a 14 500 uF cap charged up to 24V before it gets dumped by a 7.5V zener, 3V bright led and a scr.
The timing and dwell is adjustable.
It draws about 300mA and dumps only every 4 seconds.
Bending the plate on the main coil does not really show any difference in performance.
I had to move the coils away as far as possible from the magnets otherwise it runs to fast and the SCR stays on. I am not sure if it will perform better at higher revs and will try the mosfet pulsar later to test at high revs as the fet pulsar has not got the switch off problem at high speed.

[LutherG]

Thanks very much Brent. I ordered my 6" x 2" magnets yesterday... Very nice looking work btw!

regards,

Luther

[mklimesh]

Hi Brent,

Nice looking build (+_+)

Mike Klimesh

Hello All,

We are SO EXCITED how our build is coming that we had to share the progress...

Happy New Years, Brent

[BrentA929]

6 foot wheel progress

Hello All,

We are SO EXCITED how our build is coming that we had to share the progress...

And when I say we, I am talking about myself and my business partner Scott or better known as (Txaggie00).

We completed one side of our 6' wheel today and hope to have the other side done by the end of the weekend. And if we're lucky we will have the A frame completed as well. We wanted to go much bigger, you know how we are in Texas, "Bigger is better," but we just didn't have anywhere to put it.

As you can see we took a similar approach to John B with our design. We had two templates (center circle and magnet holder) cut out of metal at a local water-jet shop so we could maintain a very tight tolerance. We then routered out the wood while using the same templates to use as guides to attach the spokes. This allowed us to have a very precise construction. All the raw materials have been purchased from Lowe's thus far...trying to keep it some what simple and inexpensive.

We have a lot yet to do and even more to learn! Looking forward to every moment


@Luther - Scott asked me to add to this post that he sent you a PM


Happy New Years, Brent

[chuck H]

New cap dump circuit

@ web000x(Dave)

Good advice on replacing LEDS and using the extra coil for a different load!
Took an 80243c, (2) 4.7 zeners, 330ohm resistor, and (3)16v 470 MFD caps (took some time with different configurations), but was able to charge a 9v battery in about 20 minutes (was at 6.5v), then loaded it down with a resistor to about 8v and recharged to 10v(highest ever on that battery!)
I have an MJL1194 I may start playing with later...

@ all, thanks for all the great tips! this stuff is a lot of fun. well, have to go as we got about a 1.5' of snow in the last day

As always! Thanks John Bedini ! And EVERYONE!

[minoly]

@ minoly
You may want to get some hall switches. They are inexpensive and much more forgiving the way we are using them on our machines. I had a conversation with John on this a while back and he did not like the results he would get using reed switches. This has also been disscussed in previous posts.

Also, the coil I am using on the little 3pole (center) is #23 wire 750 turns.
The slaves are the stock coils. I really had to retard the timing after I installed it. it uses a little wheel with 3 magnets on timing wheel with hall. Reason i'm using this configuration is I did not wait for resin to dry in wheel and the Neo came flying out and took out one of the #23 wire slave coils.

clarification, we are using reed for capdump in combo w/ MJL21194.

we are using halls for triggering the energizer.

is anyone else playing around w/ all three coils at this point?
we are finding that there is a very small somewhat elusive window where the charging is best. and it's huge! we just need to nail down the the hall, our tape keeps slipping
if anyone else is using halls on the 3PM kit - we drilled holes into the fly-wheel and super glued some small neo's into it, we also taped some round ceramics to the face of the fly wheel, both seem to work well. anyone else using something different? many great posts since we've been away...
P'n'S

[chuck H]

REED switch

@ minoly
You may want to get some hall switches. They are inexpensive and much more forgiving the way we are using them on our machines. I had a conversation with John on this a while back and he did not like the results he would get using reed switches. This has also been disscussed in previous posts.

Also, the coil I am using on the little 3pole (center) is #23 wire 750 turns.
The slaves are the stock coils. I really had to retard the timing after I installed it. it uses a little wheel with 3 magnets on timing wheel with hall. Reason i'm using this configuration is I did not wait for resin to dry in wheel and the Neo came flying out and took out one of the #23 wire slave coils.

[chuck H]

2nd coil on center coil

Thanks for all the great advice! One thing I found out the hard way last night after having the device running for about 24hrs... DO NOT STOP WHEEL WHILE HAVING PRIMARY BATTERY HOOKED UP AND MAGNET STOPPING ON CENTER COIL! IT BURNED UP MY ENERGIZER COIL. I was going to try to get a little more RMP from wheel (oops!) Well ill try that trick with the energizer as soon as I get another coil wrapped ( cap ). Also, I only had rods in coil projecting into it 1/2 way. Any more and I could here wheel start to slow down.

[minoly]

Hi all, I have a new circuit on the back end for the secondary battery (Thanks John Bedini) actually its a new machine. One of the old 3 pole kits with the aluminium rotor. It is using (2) 15 MFD Caps (35V)
(2) 4.7 Zeniers, 220 resistor, SCR, 2 LEDS,( Pulses at about 4 seconds, caps charge to 23V but it charges) 1.2 amps+ using about 185ma on motor. What"s different I found is that I can use the energy (magnetic) from center coil top as I extended the rods and applied an coil running 12 G9 LED lights. It puts no load on the system like it does when coil is used directly off of the neos on the rotor. (Got something for nothing mabye?) I think from some of the work I do with John that maybe an solid state switch or a FET might be something we want to experment with on the secondary battery. Any way thats where I,m at on learing anout the BFW... so far. See video if you like.

YouTube - bedini 3pole mono with scr cap dec28 2010.wmv

Hi Chuck,
Is this connected similar to how Bits has placed his pickup coil:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6516-renaissance-november-workshop-convention-10.html#post117144

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6516-renaissance-november-workshop-convention-9.html#post117107

[Web000x]

Hi all, I have a new circuit on the back end for the secondary battery (Thanks John Bedini) actually its a new machine. One of the old 3 pole kits with the aluminium rotor. It is using (2) 15 MFD Caps (35V)
(2) 4.7 Zeniers, 220 resistor, SCR, 2 LEDS,( Pulses at about 4 seconds, caps charge to 23V but it charges) 1.2 amps+ using about 185ma on motor. What"s different I found is that I can use the energy (magnetic) from center coil top as I extended the rods and applied an coil running 12 G9 LED lights. It puts no load on the system like it does when coil is used directly off of the neos on the rotor. (Got something for nothing mabye?) I think from some of the work I do with John that maybe an solid state switch or a FET might be something we want to experment with on the secondary battery. Any way thats where I,m at on learing anout the BFW... so far. See video if you like.

YouTube - bedini 3pole mono with scr cap dec28 2010.wmv

Chuck,

You should take the output and rectify it into a capacitor and see how much of a load that you can draw off the cap.

It has been my experience that LED's are somewhat of a piezoelectric effect where the LED's vibrate at the frequency that is visible to the naked eye. I've experimented with lighting LED's to almost full brightness where the power is only .09 watts (90V*.001A) driving 60 LED's. Power levels on LED's are deceiving in my opinion as it is more of a piezoelectric effect and less heat dissipation.

If you have some spare parts, you should make a new cap dump circuit and send the output of your "extra coil" it to a resistive load. After that, see if the rotor speed and/or input amperage maintains the previous levels.

Thanks,

Dave

[mklimesh]

Hi Chuck
Thats slick how you did the other coil for the leds, I'll have to try it.
Thanks

Mike Klimesh

What"s different I found is that I can use the energy (magnetic) from center coil top as I extended the rods and applied an coil running 12 G9 LED lights. It puts no load on the system like it does when coil is used directly off of the neos on the rotor.

YouTube - bedini 3pole mono with scr cap dec28 2010.wmv

[chuck H]

Cap pulse on 3pole

Hi all, I have a new circuit on the back end for the secondary battery (Thanks John Bedini) actually its a new machine. One of the old 3 pole kits with the aluminium rotor. It is using (2) 15 MFD Caps (35V)
(2) 4.7 Zeniers, 220 resistor, SCR, 2 LEDS,( Pulses at about 4 seconds, caps charge to 23V but it charges) 1.2 amps+ using about 185ma on motor. What"s different I found is that I can use the energy (magnetic) from center coil top as I extended the rods and applied an coil running 12 G9 LED lights. It puts no load on the system like it does when coil is used directly off of the neos on the rotor. (Got something for nothing mabye?) I think from some of the work I do with John that maybe an solid state switch or a FET might be something we want to experment with on the secondary battery. Any way thats where I,m at on learing anout the BFW... so far. See video if you like.

YouTube - bedini 3pole mono with scr cap dec28 2010.wmv