Bedini Solid State Oscillators

[BroMikey]

MonsieurM, I am unable to keep up with the post's you make at the moment.

Anyway I am almost ready to start something with a tree. My experiments with the wireless transmitter has given me an idea. I got out a very small cap pulser i made over a year ago for plate "P" experiments, it is 4.4 uf neon fired SCR pulser. I connected it to my wireless receiver and it is cracking out a very sharp pulses a bit quicker than once a second and is actually charging a battery when it started to rain the tempo of the discharges picked up significantly it almost doubled for a little while. I was waiting for it to rain to see if it would affect the discharge rate, then it happened which gave me a big smile . So I am thinking that the receiver may in fact pick up environmental energy as well as the transmitted energy, (the kinetic energy from the rain impacting the roof and stuff converted to charge on the toroid) I'll test that later. The impulses are so sudden they are affecting the computer just like a small spark gap. I have video soon.

I think i will wind a small receiver with all three coils but the tree will have the coil wound like a toroid around it like you showed before. This will excite the coil "B" and so on to Coil "A" which is closely coupled to Coil "C" but not mutual coupling. The output of coil "C" should then be at a resonable voltage to charge a cap to over neon fireing voltage but with some oomf behind it too.

Video of the cap pulser working from the receiver very soon.

Cheers
Here's the video clip, the camera shutter isn't fast enough to catch and record all the flashes but they can be heard and seen with the naked eye. The battery has charge up from 12.68 volts to 12.75 volts in about an hour.

P.S. VIdeo link - YouTube - ‪Pulsing battery From Receiver.wmv‬‏


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Hi Farmhand

Looks like you know what I am talking about huh!

Mike

[BroMikey]

Show us this extra energy !

Take two new batteries with a standing voltage over 12.6v discharge one to 12.2 volts.
hen use one to charge the other and keep cycling them around for about 10 to 20 cycles. Then tell us what happens. No fibs.

Reconditioning sulfated batteries can increase their capacity and that might look
like extra energy. Also charging 10 batteries form one is no big deal. What is a
big deal is how much energy can be got back out of those batteries considering
the amount of energy expended on them.

The ringing in the coil means next to nothing.

Before promoting a technology you should fully test it and be able to demonstrate it's advantages.

I can produce the same wave forms as a Bedini oscillator using a circuit like
that in the datasheet, there is ringing, and they do condition batteries. But as
yet I have seen no demonstration of any extra energy from the batteries or
the circuit.

If you can show it please do.

The point is that if John Bedini's circuits can produce extra energy from a battery so can a circuit that does the exact same thing.

Also a demonstration of the extra mechanical energy over and above the input
and recovery energy is well overdue if you can show it then please do.

Cheers

Hello Farmhand

Yes I have done this and the batteries will both go down. You are right even with a 100 percent eff circuit there will always be losses.

You did miss my point. You read my post? And decided that I was getting more power out? Then I put in?

That is what you got out of my post? It is?

My post did not center around how I was able to have a self running circuit that could run my entire lifetime.

It is possible and I can show you that one too if you like.

Now look back on my post. I was comparing block transformer direct current with another form of charging and I can see this is going nowhere as I am going to have to fight people putting words in my mouth.

Frustration is a terrible way of sharing. I know as I too have been very troubled with this free energy stuff.

But when my posts are made to look like I have free energy when I said "EXTRA ENERGY" as compared to the old way. What Im I to think?

This puts me back typing and repeating all over again and that is not a good feeling at all.

May I try once again?

Well I guess you still won't get what I have learned unless you get a battery and charge it both ways. Oh but you have?

Can you charge a battery both ways? Or Im I just blowing in the wind here? If you can then you know what I am saying.

I don't mind helping folks to get the bigger picture if they are on the same page.

If you had basic electricity (A very small joke) you would know that an iron core transformer is 66 percent efficient. Then look at the losses in the diodes.

Then you need to understand sulfation build up in batteries. This will also lower efficiency.

Now look back at my post. What I was saying and still I am saying is that COMPARED TO this 50 percent efficient way this new form of charging is twice as good or up to 100 percent for openers. The next step is over the top. Start from the beginning.

That is not the end of it as the batteries are changed (like you said) as they become use to receiving a charge this way.

This is battery tech. Not and endless well of free power that any guy with a hammer and nails can put together after dinner for a couple of bucks.

I thought I said that already. I had just as big of a block wall when i started studying this free stuff cause I thought sure I was going to start right off the bat with more power than I put in.

Oh no that power must come from so where and it can.

If you want free power right now just go hang up a 200 foot long piece of wire and hook it to some diodes and a large cap. Just don't kill yourself.

It is a well known fact that people have been charging their cell phones for years with a long wire this way. Some have clocks running on it.

This Bedini thing is a tool for using in conjunction with other ideas.

What I am working on is a highly efficient way of handling very sparingly any power I can get to work with.

So yeah you want some? I just told you how to get it.

I have 2 tiny long wire antenna modules found on the web that gives me 20 volts dc, but what I do with that power after, is important also.

I can charge a 500ah battery bank with any tiny input, can you? Not without tools you can't. Now do you see?

Yes the answer is yes, but you are going to have start with the tiny 2 module germanium diode bridges and see for yourself that free energy is all around you.

The two work together as you run the bedini energizer the modules double their collection or more.

Now look at this next statement. The work I am doing to charge batteries increases their capacity and some of my 100ah batteries now give me 170ah.

Now if I had been using a regular charger my 100ah batteries would and were only giving me 50ah back.

Now you tell me what is going on. I donno. But one thing is sure it is not just a silly miscalculation as I have many batteries all doing that. Where is the extra capacity coming from? Where?

Yes you are right if I swap batteries around on my pulse charger they all will go down.

But what are you going to do with the rest of what I just told you?

Are you going to think I am just another mixed up well meaning guy who is fooling himself?

I am sure believe me or I wouldn't be doing this BroMikey's Science Projects

This is my 3rd capacitor discharge circuit in progress it is ain't cheap.

When I hook up my inverter to run lights at the house my batteries do the job which is more than I can say for any 2 years old system with sulfating batteries.

This is battery tech. Something happens to the batteries.

The energy SHOWS UP in battery capacity for me. Which I call extra energy or extra capacity so maybe you misunderstood what I was saying before since we just started in talking about this whole subject.

We are tapping energy from the earths magnetic field in most cases if free energy does appear.

The earth is a huge dyno complete with moving molten iron rock rotating just like a generator.

We are learning to tap into some of these energy.

The battery energizing circuit I show is not yet grounded to the earth nor do i have it connected on the other side to a long wire antenna.

I hope you see more about where I personally am going.

Michael

[Farmhand]

Show us this extra energy !

Take two new batteries with a standing voltage over 12.6v discharge one to 12.2 volts.
hen use one to charge the other and keep cycling them around for about 10 to 20 cycles. Then tell us what happens. No fibs.

Reconditioning sulfated batteries can increase their capacity and that might look
like extra energy. Also charging 10 batteries form one is no big deal. What is a
big deal is how much energy can be got back out of those batteries considering
the amount of energy expended on them.

The ringing in the coil means next to nothing.

Before promoting a technology you should fully test it and be able to demonstrate it's advantages.

I can produce the same wave forms as a Bedini oscillator using a circuit like
that in the datasheet, there is ringing, and they do condition batteries. But as
yet I have seen no demonstration of any extra energy from the batteries or
the circuit.

If you can show it please do.

The point is that if John Bedini's circuits can produce extra energy from a battery so can a circuit that does the exact same thing.

Also a demonstration of the extra mechanical energy over and above the input
and recovery energy is well overdue if you can show it then please do.

Cheers

[BroMikey]

It might be helpful to look at the power in and power out figures. Energy in v energy out.

If you use 24 volts at 5 amps that is 120 Watts input or 120 Joules per second input.
Then if you dump 55 volts from a 15000 uF capacitor 3 times a second then
that is 22.7 joules per discharge, so 22.7 x 3 = 68 joules per second output.

In that situation the efficiency is 57%.

Where is the heat/sound, vibration and EM radiation developed, there is the losses.

Cheers

Hi Farmhand

If I run at max of 24vdc X 5 amps the machine want to stay at 65vdc at about 2amps output.

At 4 amps I can get a pulse that is 15 amps every second or better.

Trying to think. This is so hard to explain, better build one.

Mikey

[BroMikey]

It might be helpful to look at the power in and power out figures. Energy in v energy out.

If you use 24 volts at 5 amps that is 120 Watts input or 120 Joules per second input.
Then if you dump 55 volts from a 15000 uF capacitor 3 times a second then
that is 22.7 joules per discharge, so 22.7 x 3 = 68 joules per second output.

In that situation the efficiency is 57%.

Where is the heat/sound, vibration and EM radiation developed, there is the losses.

Cheers

No! No! Hi farmhand
Thx 4 the info and calculations except you forgot one very important thing that shows you are unaware of many aspects of Bedini systems.

I am not going to skip words and play any favorites for or against this system.

It works believe me it works and you forgot one very important thing.

You must be unaware of the ringing that the circuit creates and if you had done what I do you would know that the run battery does not discharge normally into all 12 of the other batteries.

Think about that annoying ringing sound coming from your circuit. (Hypothetically I will assume you have one?)

Conventional battery charges do not ring and so let's take a small charger boiling a battery for 10-20 hours at say 2-7 amps raw dc current.

Even taking a low amp figure say 3amps X 12vdc = 36watts the battery is about 3/4 charged when it stops. maybe 40 percent efficiency.

take the same battery at 1amp X 12vdc input for 12watts to do the same job only the battery just cold boils up to 16vdc.

Consider the idea and try it first.

Now back to the ringing, you forgot what the ringing in these systems do.

All Tesla did was setup circuits to recycle electricity.

Bedini systems do just that. The ringing in these systems can be shown on scope.

The run battery receives ringing oscillations at higher voltage levels than 12vdc and ringings all of the way back around to the energized battery and round again.

The run battery gets charged as it feeds the drive portion of this converter or energizer whatever you prefer.

No the Osc is not a 10X energy store house of free energy that can save the planet.

However I did think it would someday run itself.

The run battery lasts far longer and does not discharge on a normal curve like a resistive load does.

Build one today and set it up to run power out of batteries and you will never go back to the old way of charging.

The efficiencies or often very low around 100 percent for the serious experimenter.

The calculation for the entire system efficiency requires the strict evaluation of both run and charging batteries.

Most people are unable to figure this out. Not saying you are not smart enough.

We are missing another very important fact. These systems were originally setup to show some extra energy gains as compared to the block transformer style raw current charger.

No contest. I suggest everyone build something alone these lines first.

Even my joule thief setup to charge small batteries is far more efficient than our 150 year old conventional systems.

Don't forget that ringing and the way it circulates around and around the entire circuit during operation.

The system efficiencies can be much higher than 50 percent if the guidelines are followed.

Remember it is only a proof of the idea, not an endless well of limitless power that would take you off the grid for a few bucks.

BroMikey

[SilverToGold]

Good points Farmhand.

From what I understand, the energy manifest itself in the batteries. Looking at the energy here and there in the circuit from conventional analysis, the Bedini machine is nothing "special".... unless you add the possibly 23% mechanical gain in the wheel - but that obviously is missing in the solid state version.

By manifesting in the battery, you could for instance take one full battery and charge up 12 dead ones. This is where the energy gain is seen. At least that is how I understand it from John's site.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

It might be helpful to look at the power in and power out figures. Energy in v energy out.

If you use 24 volts at 5 amps that is 120 Watts input or 120 Joules per second input.
Then if you dump 55 volts from a 15000 uF capacitor 3 times a second then
that is 22.7 joules per discharge, so 22.7 x 3 = 68 joules per second output.

In that situation the efficiency is 57%.

Where is the heat/sound, vibration and EM radiation developed, there is the losses.

Cheers

[BroMikey]

Transformer

Luckliy I always print a copy of the things I come across that I want to replicate, as I have learned that many things get deleted from the net. You will keep on going. You cold look a little happier when someone snaps your picture Saw your new pics of the new and improved beast cap dump. If I remember right you had a transformer in the old
schematic. Aln

Hi Aln

Quite truth I look bad in that shot

The transformer can go between the cap dump and the sg osc. I have not uploaded that picture yet, however I have uploaded more so look when you get time.

I have been busy creating web pages and will have my text there some day.

The Sg Osc is a converter from steady state current to pulsing radiant forms.

Magnets passing between poles control the timing and duration of pulses that can be done other ways.

The most important thing about the Bedini energizer is that a battery can double it's capacity. In the the case of conventional dc current charging battery capacity is lower than factory specs weeks after new.

Moving ions makes batteries live forever and produce more power.

Mode 1 is voltage spike mode, mode two is G-Field current pulses that is another form of energy we are not accustom to.

The G-filed or genmode is the same hook up as a joule thief.

Go look at Joule-Mode.

In the early yahoo forums the Bedini monopole moderators forbid anyone hook up their SSG in Joule-Mode. The monopole was to only be connected one way.

12 years later John bedini is offering a DVD with great teaching facts showing the other way of using the Sg Oscillator.

Joule-Mode is the pulsating G-field MODE or G-Mode.

I can't make it any clearer. Look for muggzez picture.

Brother Michael Rowland

[Farmhand]

Hi Forelle

Yes I am in the process of re-assembling all of my data, I have the shapes somewhere and they will be part of the new site.

With a single 4 channel SgOsc using 14awg wire I can dump to battery bank anywhere from 330ah @12vdc to 600ah @12vdc. I energize using 24vdc input @5 amps Max but normally only run at just under around 4Amps.

I am almost done with my 36vdc discharging unit so I can get more punch.

Right now as we speak I dump at 55vdc 2-3 times per second if I crank her up.

I will be updating my page BroMikey's Science Projects


BroMikey

It might be helpful to look at the power in and power out figures. Energy in v energy out.

If you use 24 volts at 5 amps that is 120 Watts input or 120 Joules per second input.
Then if you dump 55 volts from a 15000 uF capacitor 3 times a second then
that is 22.7 joules per discharge, so 22.7 x 3 = 68 joules per second output.

In that situation the efficiency is 57%.

Where is the heat/sound, vibration and EM radiation developed, there is the losses.

Cheers

[alman]

Luckliy I always print a copy of the things I come across that I want to replicate, as I have learned that many things get deleted from the net. You will keep on going. You cold look a little happier when someone snaps your picture Saw your new pics of the new and improved beast cap dump. If I remember right you had a transformer in the old schematic. Aln

[BroMikey]

Project updated

BroMikey's Science Projects

a few more shots in beast osc and cap dump pictures so far

[Farmhand]

The "h" waveform is not unique, in fact it is a common result of an "Unclamped Inductive Test" for semiconductor switches.
When the switch is tuned off and the current interrupted the coil releases it's
inductive energy, as shown in the Data sheet of the IRFPG50 Mosfet.
See diagram attached. The circuit that produced the waveform is shown. A
basic low side switch.

The same wave form is inherent to switching a coil with a low side switch, same as in a boost converter.



Datasheet.
IRFPG50 pdf, IRFPG50 description, IRFPG50 datasheets, IRFPG50 view ::: ALLDATASHEET :::

Cheers

[BroMikey]

Wave Shapes

Hi Forelle

Yes I am in the process of re-assembling all of my data, I have the shapes somewhere and they will be part of the new site.

With a single 4 channel SgOsc using 14awg wire I can dump to battery bank anywhere from 330ah @12vdc to 600ah @12vdc. I energize using 24vdc input @5 amps Max but normally only run at just under around 4Amps.

I am almost done with my 36vdc discharging unit so I can get more punch.

Right now as we speak I dump at 55vdc 2-3 times per second if I crank her up.

I will be updating my page BroMikey's Science Projects


BroMikey

Hi Bromikey
Do you have some pictures of the waveforms(from dutycycle,cap,coil)
How many batteries do you charge with one.
Thanks

[forelle]

Hi Bromikey
Do you have some pictures of the waveforms(from dutycycle,cap,coil)
How many batteries do you charge with one.
Thanks

[BroMikey]

BroMikey's Web Page construction

Hello Sawt2 and ALMAN

Here is my new place to put my science work on. My own website
BroMikey's Science Projects

Some folks lose their work and this is why they use image shack and tiny Url to share with the people on the internet.

I spent 1 year typing in documents on a site and it is very hard to reorganize it somewhere else and still keep my day job.

I am a serious minded experimenter who likes to share for free how things work and money is not my goal.

That makes people mad who are trying to make lots of money off of what I show in a step by step process for free.

I am aware that folks need to make a living so in order to protect my work when sharing on forums worldwide I have chosen to provide them with a free website that only I can delete.

I want to give a special thanks to all of the people who are angry with my posts that kicked me off their website so I was forced to come to terms.

I am not upset nor do I hold any ill feelings.

Making money as an agenda is in direct conflict with pure experimentation.

Who knows maybe I will be making the green backs someday on the web huh?

BroMikey

[alman]

Nice to see you found this forum mike, bromikey's beast charger rises from the ashes. Aln