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  • Duncan and All,
    Duncan you made a comment about the NEED to share what we come up with on the research we are doing on the 3BGS. As I look down at the bottom of the page, there are currently 2 people logged into this thread. There may be a bunch more secretly watching, but only two who choose to reveal that they are, and one of them is me. Most of what we have are lurkers, waiting for someone to share something good hoping something clicks in their mind and they can run off and patent something it made them think of to make a bunch of money. They don't intend to share their ideas here. They are about taking, not giving. I started this to give people the basics and a direction in the hopes that we could work together, and I have made some friends along the way that I continue to work with off thread. But most folks here talk, talk, talk and never build a thing.

    We needed hundreds of people to try this thing. We needed thousands. We needed so many people to try it and see that it works that nobody could deny the truth of it. We needed a tidal wave of people who see the truth and are so excited about it that they change the course of research into free energy. In the five years I've been posting about this on the forums, there have been maybe ten or twelve people who have followed through on this enough to find a bad battery that would work and have actually seen what you and I have seen. That's just sad. It breaks my heart when I think about it. I tried to go back to Peswiki and update them on our progress and all anyone wanted to do there was demand proof , tell me my methods of measurement are inaccurate, and deny that this thing works.

    So when something amazing happens do I post it here? Not likely. I email those folks who have been interested enough to BUILD this thing and who are emailing me and talking to me on the phone about it, and who have seen it work for themselves. I share it with THEM.

    We'll never save the world be revealing the magic to the two people who are logged into this thread. We'll do it be building a community of folks who have working devices that are tested, who can then appear at conferences and other places to show people something that actually works that you can build yourself, because even if we post the plans here, how many people are actually going to build it?

    I'm absolutely committed to getting this out there. So much so that when we get a working prototype device, if it is not too expensive, I will build them and GIVE them away to all the folks I know who are off the grid and could use one...the kind of people who will help their friends and neighbors build one too. Like my dad, who is in his 80's, on a fixed income, and is still climbing up on the roof of his wood yard to nail down shingles because he can't afford to pay somebody to do it for him. But share with some low life whose only goal is to run off and patent something to make money for himself? I think not.
    So I really am committed to sharing. I'm just not sure this is the place to do it.

    Dave
    Last edited by Turion; 06-23-2013, 07:56 PM.

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    • Hi folks, fear and all its derivative emotions and effects is but a momentary lapse of remembering.
      We are all immortal spirit, having a physical experience.
      Fear is only of this world, therefore, not actually real.
      Unconditional love and embodying this energy in all situations, is the only path to what most of us really need.
      Share freely and ignore the fear mongers, no matter how much supposed reasons they may give to fear, because all the fear pushing is ultimately based upon the BIG LIE and this lie tells us we are only these human vessels, which could not be further from the truth.

      Hooked up a solar led garden light to the bad 1.2 volt AA cell as a load, but it caused the motor to stop, probably too much of a load.
      peace love light
      tyson

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      • Was gonna post this earlier... so doing it now

        I was gonna post this last Wednesday but after reading it, thought differently about it and just sent it to Dave... but maybe it should be posted... hopefully it'll turn a light on somewhere...

        Hi Guys,

        WOW - lots going on with this thread! EXCELLENT! My apologies for being in and out - mostly out - I've just got "stuff" going on...

        I read the last couple of pages today and just wanted to throw in a couple of thoughts for whatever its worth...

        First, that all three batteries have to be the same type and kind - I'm not so sure about this. My setup is not that way and it worked for me. It doesn't raise the voltages on 1 & 2 while running, but afterwards, my batteries always come back to starting voltage. My primaries are 18Ah sealed batteries and my third battery is an old lead acid car battery... I've pulled loads of 2 car headlights and ran an inverter with a 60-watt or 100-watt bulb plus a dome light for the better part of an hour... let it rest awhile and it bounces back. It could definitely be better and maybe by using 3 matching batteries I'll see the voltage rise on 1 and 2 while running... we'll see...

        Secondly, as for resonance, when David put his dad's battery bank in parallel to his third battery, he radically changed the impedance and thereby would have changed the resonant frequency... Yet that bank charged like mad! I don't know what kind of tuning he had to do if any - so I'll let him comment further on that. David - it'd be nice to know what the Ah capacity of those 6-volt batteries are/were. You also said they were tied 2 to a set to make 12 volts and then the whole bank was in series - did you mean series or were they 12-volt pairs wired in parallel? It's parallel - right?

        I'd like to add another thought for consideration. I think that what happens in the third battery, is that because the plates and electrolyte cannot absorb much of the charge, the flux - I say its magnetic flux from the environment coming into battery 3 plus what is being pulled from the motor - is available for our use because battery 3 cannot absorb it - thus it remains available for our use. Maybe there is some alignment that occurs in the crystal lattice built up on the plates - I don't know - but magnetic flux (which is current) is definitely there and can be seen with a coil wrapped around the battery as several people have done and pointed out on this thread.

        If the poles are assymmetrically potentialized then all parallel poles (such as David's dad's battery bank put in parallel to battery 3) are assymmetrically potentialized and if the flux from the motor and battery 3 are available then the battery bank (or inverter tied to load) has access to the flux - being sucked into the batteries in an effort to balance the poles. This is why John Bedini likes an inverted cap pulser. This is also something Don Smith talked about - that the ambient always seeks a balance. If it cannot discharge a charge, it will move on its own (kinetic) to create an opposite charge in order to create that balance of opposite charges. This can be seen in nature whenever we have a lightning discharge. We're sitting in that same field and so are our batteries...

        I believe an electrostatic spike or sharp impulse induces a movement in the earths magnetic field. Because it is a negatively charged influx it tends to release the bonds of the sulfation that has adhered to the plates returning it to solution, thus "healing" the battery over time and this we do not want because now the battery holds onto the flux and the battery charges up and acts like a normal battery again. However, when it cannot hold this flux for whatever reason, this flux remains available to be used by our loads - we have in effect a "teflon" battery...

        I don't think we can take lightly the importance of the magnetic field backdrop. I would even go so far as to say that we should focus more on the magnetic side of this system than the electric or electrostatic side... Gauss meters might come in real handy with tuning this setup... When we relieve the motor of the generated flux that would normally fight the incoming current, it speeds up and gains massive torque. This in turn causes the motor to generate even more as it is now running at a higher rpm or frequency. Adding more physical load increases the overal voltage bringing the system back into resonance. So the system grows. Further relieve that newly generated flux and the motor speeds up even more, and gains even more torque but its not drawing down the primary batteries - so I don't believe its getting all this added flux/current from the primaries - its generating it "on the fly" and we're getting it out of the motor and into our loads...

        So perhaps what we have, is a resonant system that flips the magnetic polarity of the generated current in the motor and we pull it from the motor with our loads on battery 3 and this is what gives us the gain or amplification that keeps us topped up because when the system is working correctly, there's lot's of power available and its not coming from batteries 1 & 2...

        So basically I'm saying we should focus more on the magnetic interactions- or at least bear those in mind as we look at the electrical side - as this is the side our tools allow us to "see"... Leedskalnin said the postitive pole was magnetic north, and the negative pole is a magnetic south pole... So when the battery flips its polarity we need to see the magnetic fields as flipping their polarity... I could be totally wrong but this is what I see when I observe what this system is doing...

        Anyways, I hope this post can be taken as "food for thought"...

        Best regards to all,

        Luther
        Electrostatic charges manipulating magneto-gravitic streams...

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        • Lab work

          Originally posted by a.king21 View Post
          So here's what I bet is happenning to the bad battery.
          1 Some of the cells have reversed polarity. ie positive has become negative and vice versa.
          .
          @a.king21,
          Nice observation. I think Matt shared a similar observation some time ago. Guess when you spelled it out at the cell level it clicked for me. Time to build a new type of "3rd battery".

          @Luther G,
          Good to see you again. I too have observed the magnetic flux "dance" of that 3rd battery. A gauss meter is a great idea. I noticed that my primaries charged when the magnetic flux was VERY unstable. I noticed this by accidentally placing a DVM against the 3rd battery while trying to read the voltage on the primaries and the meter bounced/read impossible voltages. Most times off scale even at the 1000v scale. I attributed this to a strong magnetic flux messing with the DVM circuitry. --- Maybe not. Time to measure. ---
          Randy
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            • Key Points & Glossary | Gestalt Reality
              Last edited by Duncan; 06-24-2013, 10:06 AM.
              Whatever you can do,or dream you can,begin it.Boldness has genius,power and magic in it.Begin it now.

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              • It is also that little brushed motor that iced the battery post surround. PS that battery that you see is totally beyond redemption, came back from the dead and is now a good battery
                Whatever you can do,or dream you can,begin it.Boldness has genius,power and magic in it.Begin it now.

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                • Originally posted by tachyoncatcher View Post
                  @Luther G,
                  Good to see you again. I too have observed the magnetic flux "dance" of that 3rd battery. A gauss meter is a great idea. I noticed that my primaries charged when the magnetic flux was VERY unstable. I noticed this by accidentally placing a DVM against the 3rd battery while trying to read the voltage on the primaries and the meter bounced/read impossible voltages. Most times off scale even at the 1000v scale. I attributed this to a strong magnetic flux messing with the DVM circuitry. --- Maybe not. Time to measure. ---
                  Randy
                  David at one time wrapped his third battery with a coil. Wound it right on the battery...


                  Matt

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                  • I still have that battery, all wrapped with wire. It was speaker wire I have no use for, so I just left it on the battery and stored the battery on the shelf. I see it every day and it is one of those things that makes me think every time I see it.

                    Dave

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                    • Last edited by Duncan; 06-25-2013, 03:50 AM.
                      Whatever you can do,or dream you can,begin it.Boldness has genius,power and magic in it.Begin it now.

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                      • From left field

                        Just a thought running through my head. Most of my thoughts are garbage, but this one may have some connection to your third battery.

                        Question, a bad battery, can it be said that the sulfur has crystallized on the plates of the battery? I'm interested in that word CRYSTAL. I'm assuming that the sulfur becomes normalized and the battery becomes good when the sulfuric acid is back as in a new battery. But so long as the sulfuric acid is in crystal form, the below may apply.

                        I've been surfing the web, these last few days, for anything related to the
                        John Hutchison crystal battery. Basically a couple of electrodes stuck together by a crystalline structure between them. Electricity is formed they say by thermal energy on the crystal, and though the current and voltage are tiny, the cell ( battery ) works forever without charging.

                        Could your third ( dead ) battery be actualy adding energy to your system in a manner related to the Hutchison crystal battery techonlogy ?

                        Andrew
                        Even the stupid occasional say something smart.
                        But not always. lol

                        PS Replace the third battery with a crystalline battery cell? late at night I should stop thinking while I'm ahead. lol, night
                        Last edited by Guest; 06-25-2013, 08:24 AM.

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                        • Originally posted by BobBrown View Post
                          Just a thought running through my head. Most of my thoughts are garbage, but this one may have some connection to your third battery.

                          Question, a bad battery, can it be said that the sulfur has crystallized on the plates of the battery? I'm interested in that word CRYSTAL. I'm assuming that the sulfur becomes normalized and the battery becomes good when the sulfuric acid is back as in a new battery. But so long as the sulfuric acid is in crystal form, the below may apply.

                          I've been surfing the web, these last few days, for anything related to the
                          John Hutchison crystal battery. Basically a couple of electrodes stuck together by a crystalline structure between them. Electricity is formed they say by thermal energy on the crystal, and though the current and voltage are tiny, the cell ( battery ) works forever without charging.

                          Could your third ( dead ) battery be actualy adding energy to your system in a manner related to the Hutchison crystal battery techonlogy ?

                          Andrew
                          Even the stupid occasional say something smart.
                          But not always. lol

                          PS Replace the third battery with a crystalline battery cell? late at night I should stop thinking while I'm ahead. lol, night
                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA2tLgL0HqE
                          Whatever you can do,or dream you can,begin it.Boldness has genius,power and magic in it.Begin it now.

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                          • Converts

                            Duncan,

                            I've had two different folks contact me at different times over the last couple years. Both had setups running where the voltage on batteries one and two would mostly stay level, but would drop a bit and then recover after a rest. They were able to run loads for hours at a time without drawing down on the primaries. They were working their way through different battery 3's with varying results depending on the "bad" battery in question. In both cases they believed that what was happening in their setups could be explained by the motor somehow acting as a generator.

                            Then one day, (not the SAME day mind you) they each got a big surprise. Their system, which had been chugging along nicely, suddenly did something they were't quite expecting. They each had changed to a "new" bad battery and suddenly the voltages on batteries one and two were climbing. They were able to run huge loads for hours.

                            Needless to say, their belief that the motor was acting as a generator to produce the results went right out the window. It had to be the different battery. That was the only thing that had changed.

                            The longest "high power" run anyone has reported to me with an off the shelf battery is 6 hours. Then the battery was fixed and they got nothing. I have had some people who have concocted their own formula for electrolyte report runs of up to 3 days. (With rests of an hour every four hours of run time) I believe Randy had a run similar to this BUT when he tried to connect it for a continuous run to see how long he could go, it quit working sometime when he wasn't around. I don't remember whether or not he shared his formula here. I know what he told me it was, but he wasn't specific about amounts, just a general description, and it is not my formula to disclose. I know the folks who reported the long runs to me wanted to keep their formula "secret" which is unfortunate, because it might point us all in the right direction for further research.

                            I do believe it was a salt based electrolyte though, just from things they said.

                            Dave

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                            • observation

                              Originally posted by Turion View Post
                              Duncan,

                              I've had two different folks contact me at different times over the last couple years. Both had setups running where the voltage on batteries one and two would mostly stay level, but would drop a bit and then recover after a rest. They were able to run loads for hours at a time without drawing down on the primaries. They were working their way through different battery 3's with varying results depending on the "bad" battery in question. In both cases they believed that what was happening in their setups could be explained by the motor somehow acting as a generator.

                              Then one day, (not the SAME day mind you) they each got a big surprise. Their system, which had been chugging along nicely, suddenly did something they were't quite expecting. They each had changed to a "new" bad battery and suddenly the voltages on batteries one and two were climbing. They were able to run huge loads for hours.

                              Needless to say, their belief that the motor was acting as a generator to produce the results went right out the window. It had to be the different battery. That was the only thing that had changed.



                              Dave
                              I've seen this before in a different setup.
                              1 I believe the motor was still acting as a generator.
                              2 I believe the reason for the voltage climb was conditioning of the good batteries 1 and 2.
                              3 Remember the circuit is a loop and pulsing the bad battery is the same as pulsing the primaries - hence conditioning of the primaries(1 and 2).
                              4 The inclusion of a new "bad" battery meant the circuit started again from a higher starting point due to the prior conditioning of the primary batteries 1 and 2.

                              5 I've conditioned (spike charged) good car batteries before and after switching off the high voltage spikes the battery voltages continued to climb, whereas in a normal battery charger the voltages fall after you switch off.

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                              • a.king21,

                                I too believe the motor acts as a generator...always...even an off the shelf motor does in this setup.

                                What I was really trying to point out was that these folks felt that the small successes they were seeing with most of the bad batteries they tried could be explained away, but when they got the RIGHT bad battery, the power they got was way more than they could explain.

                                I got another email today from someone who doesn't post on the forum much, and he said some things I believe are well worth postings because they are thoughts I have had that get pushed aside by other things that are more exciting, yet they are really important to the basics of figuring this thing out. So I will share some of them here.

                                "Recently I have been amazed at the sensitivity of some Bedini circuits... just a few points off an activating frequency, no results. But once you get it tuned (based on the dynamics of each circuit) the battery goes from discharged to a full charge in minutes. Now the input current is virtually the same... so if that's not counter-intuitive what is?

                                Somewhere in any circuit that we build and test, there needs to be multiple points to tune based on almost countless variables. Variable capacitance, variable resistance, etc. We have to be able to hit a bullet with a bullet to get to the holy land. To pump and drink from the dipole.

                                Also clearly many have not admitted that we are dealing with at least two primal energies (each with huge variation of flavors), both at least being the inverse of the other. Things that are conductive on one side are resistive on the other. But our minds don't yet have enough clarity to separate and command these forces. Our minds think clearly about Amps, but not anti-Amps

                                ......about your project - the ultimate truth is that it is connected with all other like projects. The fundamental forces that are just through the doors are and always have been immutable. It is us that must evolve, to see and apply what was always there."

                                I have always thought that we needed to be able to adjust several factors at once to give us the best shot at figuring this thing out.

                                Voltage going to the motor
                                Width of the pulse
                                Time between pulses
                                Resistance in the circuit, especially between the primaries and the motor (the line that contains the dead battery)
                                The capacitance.
                                A TRUE researcher would start with one of these and run through the combinations to see if you could make a good bad battery out of a normal battery by changing them. That takes a lot of time I'm afraid. But I've gotta begin somewhere.

                                Dave

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