3 Battery Generating System

[wantomake]

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Thanks Dave,
Glad you did this. I was re-reading these post to use with the inverter/battery setup for my shop. Still have the modified Matt motor with trifilar winding on the rotor. In fact have the dc/dc converter also.

We've been having more frequent storms that cause power outages and this can be a good backup system.

Plan to have 4 different battery banks to switch around as needed.

No comments needed, just wanted to tell you thanks.
wantomake

[wantomake]

Will test more as I can

Hey Bromikey,
I'm digging out the 3BGS components to crank up the setup again.

My plan is simple but will take time to complete. I want to use the 3BGS to power an inverter system. My battery setup will be 4 banks of deep cells that will be switched by a rotating rotor made from pvc pipe. I plan to add to each bank as I can. Deep cells are not cheap.

I've followed Dave's motor/generator teaching very closely. But again not a cheap replication. I'm never trying to build a smaller version of an idea for proof of concept. I still have the modified Matt motor. But that's as far as I got with the motor/generator setup.

As the build goes will share here, not for any reason other than just conversing on the subject. But i will not argue or respond to any negative post here. I believe everything has already been posted, so diy. Do it yourself.

wantomake

[BroMikey]

Hello

Always good to hear from an experimenter who can follow directions
and let's everyone know when the money is the issue stopping you from
making a fair test. I ran the MATT MOD MTR this past year on 12v by
putting 24v in the 1&2 battery position in series then a 12v in number
3 position all 40ah-50ah each. Alum converted ultra deep cycle.

These batteries are twice the battery they were with acid in them.

I pick up a pile of rejected batteries a half dozen at a time and often
get 1 or 2 good ones. The price is $1 each at the bone yard. Many
thousands of batteries go right to the heap after only 1 or 2 years of
usage due to poor charging leaving the cells empty of any fluid.

I ran the MATT MOD MTR and instead of doing all that rotating I used
a 95-97 percent efficient boost converter to send back energy to the
24v side to keep a balance at all times. The tiny converter cost me $18
was fully digital. It was a snap, no more rotating.

Now i have a pulsating motor system with booster for continuous run.

Here is what i have gathered from Turion, he said that his goal is to
recover 80 percent of what is normally spent by the motor. Again I am
trying to wing it here and if I don't talk right he will butt in ever so politely
and get us back on course.

I guess there are extenuating circumstances where even more can be
recovered by letting ions enter the 4th battery resting as it is set aside
for that task. It could actually be a 4 battery system if you wanted to
go to the extreme outer limits of that experiment.

You understand there has been a great deal of learning evidence put
forth and the evolution has changed the face of today's practical
application? In other words the system I mentioned with a pulsed motor
of some form (Turion thinks stock pulsed motors might be better) coupled
with the returned energy to the front end via the booster.

Now if you tune it just right like I was instructed and did, the motor
runs, battery 3 charges and the booster created a negative differential
between the negative to negative plates of battery 2 and battery 3
as I understand it.

This brings us back to what we are looking for "Potential Difference"
between poles, maybe this is what the battery sees? I think and if we
pulse the energy right at the motor seeings how current lags the
voltage we get out with a little extra there.

So now we have 80 percent recovery. So now add a lenz free generator
onto the motor shaft that will give you even more recovery, or if
you don't want to go that far you could just use inverters to re-use
the same starting point energy 3 times and call it a day.

Glad you are wanting to follow the music. I just ordered
a 97 percent boost converter for my next experiment using a 48v string
of four 45ah batteries to run the MATT MOD MTR to charge a bank of
12v batteries in parallel to get my RPM's up at 36v to run my lenz free
generator.

[wantomake]

Coffee and musings of an old hobbist

Bromikey,
Thanks for the informative and kind response.

Having an honest approach to this forum is good for the heart and the advancement of teaching and learning aternative energy movement. This isn't free energy as some get fussy about cause the subject gets twisted into OU. I care about people, this planet, my 8 grandchildren and their future, not OU!!!

I as a self appointed student of the Dave's Institute of Learning and want to see the recovery process of the battery banks first. Then as memory of those earlier days kicks in, there will be an advancement of the system. A close coffee drinking friend via e-mail has been experimenting with that advancement and one day hope to get past talking and start building.

Well the day goes forward and it's getting ahead of me. First frost here in S. Carolina.
Later.
wantomake

[wantomake]

Best setup??

Bromikey, Dave,
I deleted the schematic to prevent confusion for anyone.
wantomake

[Turion]

Inverter

Nope. The inverter is wired into the 3 Battery system just like a motor would be. The positive of the inverter goes to the positive of the two batteries in series. The negative of the inverter goes to the positive of battery 3. The inverter "splits the positives". Unless you've got some BIG batteries, the inverter won't run long. Battery 3 will charge fast and there goes your potential difference. Start with a 100 watt load on the inverter or smaller. The wrong kind of inverter won't even work. Hope you get lucky!

[wantomake]

Batteries and inverter

Dave,
Thanks for the reply.

I have 115 ah deep cells and the inverter worked before on this setup. So will give it run tonight after supper. Do want to do the battery switch idea later on as I add to the 4 battery banks.

Regards and appreciate the help.
wantomake

[jettis]

"Aaron contacted me and has agreed to my request to lock this thread. I encourage some of you to start your Own thread on aspects of this topic. I am tired of trying to defend myself and have more important things to do. Take care all. It was interesting.

One last thing:

Its not about current but voltage.... get the switching right, and the load right and you run into the extreme end of Peukert's law where the current draw is so low it does not actually even flow, just the potential across the load. Because current lags voltage you can skim the excess potential off the top. Want to know WHY it works, that's it in a nutshell.

http://www.bogartengineering.com/wp-...tsComments.pdf" Quote from Turion


It seems to me John Bedini has said you have to find a way to limit or block current from flowing in these pulse circuits to have a working system. Joseph Newman also said as much. Paul Babcock also stresses this, among others like Jeffrey SR. Miller etc.

I have done some experiments and can get a SG to run on very tiny amounts of current and still produce excellent magnetic properties for angular momentum production. Perhaps Turion and others are doing the same... It does sound like they are.

Dave Wing

p.s. someone posted this image on this forum before so I am just posting it again, I believe Babcock got this info from Newmans book.

[Matthew Jones]

Its funny after you have officially been on here a decade to watch people contemplate the work you have proven to at least yourself. So don't forget all this work:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/962-use-tesla-switch.html?highlight=tesla+swtich

Its funny in life, you meet rich a person they admire greed and greedier people then themselves, You meet poor people they have the tendency to admire Junkies and homeless people, people who have guns admire Hunter's and soldiers, foreigners admire citizens, ect ect ect... Its so backwards...
This happens because people forget that thing that has happened while they were not looking. They come along later or they ignored while it was happening.
Whatever,, if your not building anything that works its most likely because you stuffed yourself in a box, handed to you by the same people who tell you, you don't know what your talking about, or told you not to trust anyone.

I am so glad I grew up here. If you could see what I am seeing and understand it, you would be too. My only regret is I have never meet anyone on this forum I could explain it too. Free your mind and your ass will follow, I always liked that statement.

Bye

[Turion]

Matt,
Funny you should post that link. I was just reading over the pdf you put out on building the Tesla switches based on the Benitez patents which I believe was posted in that thread somewhere. I was actually rereading the thread to try and find WHERE. Anyway, I still have the two small Tesla switches and have all the parts to build the BIG one, including the transformer that I rewound, but I wanted page 2 of that document and can’t find it. I think I have a paper copy of it in my files, but that box is two feet deep in unfiled paper and I was hoping the thread held a link to the pdf. I am only up to page 92, so if it is after that I will find it.

I have no doubt that every single person on this forum could learn from what you know about the 3 Battery System and the Benitez version of the Tesla switch. You have been my teacher, mentor and friend and I have walked in your shadow since day one. I will never forget how you walked me through the building of your “Simple Motor” which is where I think EVERYONE should start their journey. It is easier than the Bedini stuff, and so many important things take place in that setup that teach us how these things work. THAT pdf I have.

Anyway, if people who sincerely WANT to learn take the time to go through that thread and READ what you had to say, I think they would be amazed. That’s why I am reading it again, especially because one statement you made keeps resonating in my brain right now as I move beyond the 3 Battery System and that’s where you talk about the Tesla switch and what happens and how it relates to switching and battery chemistry. I’m sure you remember the statement I am talking about and I see it as the KEY to me making further progress.

Yeah, I wish I was smart enough to talk with you about this stuff too. It’s lonely at the top! LOL. But I just want to thank you for all you have done. You are the man as far as I am concerned. And I know things that other folks here do not know about the things you have done and the things you have achieved. If YOU vanish from this forum, they will have lost a voice that could lead them into the future. If I leave, they lose a voice that just keeps repeating the past.

[wantomake]

Switching

Matthew,
Thanks for the link, but I'm not even going to attempt the Tesla switch.

John Bedini had a hard time tuning his cigar box to get it work. That's beyond my knowledge level. I will settle for a "poor man's" version to switch the banks around.

For now just trying to get my mind wrapped around this concept that we all had success and the enjoyment of finally witnessing an alternative energy concept actually work. My own personal proof:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=LLGnLHFDVoe2c7K74T8EP7AQ&v=Dwk_bFXqiac

I arranged the banks yesterday, connected the ole Matt modified motor, and also the inverter. Even with 75 to 100 watt load the primaries dropped voltage slowly.

That's what I remember. Something with promise and expandable to a motor/generator build.

wantomake
PS: Hope link works.

[wantomake]

A little success

To All,
Still experimenting with the deep cell 3BGS using 4 banks of batteries but only two in parallel in each bank so far. Position 4 bank is in resting and I plan to add a 5th bank later to power the inverter as I do need lights in my shop.

Connected smaller my1016 stock motor to larger my1016 modified Matt generator to a FWBR/capacitor then back to battery banks. FWBR with capacitor negative connected to #3 charge position neg. post. Then positive of fwbr to positive of #2 positive same as stock motor connection.

Primary. Primary Charge. Resting
#2. #1. #3. #4

If my memory is correct the above is the positions of the batteries. Please correct me I'm wrong.

I ran each cycle 30 minutes then moved #4 all the way to the left and moved other three to the right one position.

#4. #2. #1. #3

To see the primaries only loss 1/10th of a volt was good to see for me. And charged battery in charge position up to 15+ volts in only 30 minutes was good for my part.

Lowe's sells some 105 ah deep cells and this is my shopping for tomorrow to add to the banks.

This post may not impress or help anyone but I like what this system can do.

wantomake

[Turion]

Info

Matt's video series on rewinding the razor scooter motor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faZIszrlllI

[BroMikey]

Lowe's sells some 105 ah deep cells and this is my shopping for tomorrow to add to the banks.

This post may not impress or help anyone but I like what this system can do.

wantomake

I am impressed. I am also impressed with Luc even after me making
a stink.
Think of what we are doing. We are leading the world into baby steps
of extra energy circuits that recirculate power.

I bought those dern marine batteries and they all crapped out asap.
I don't usually use this unbecoming phase "THEY SUCK" well the ones
I kept buying were from Walmart. I spent $70 bucks a pop for banks
and banks of them over the years and I do not have one left to show
for.

The best batteries are true deep cycles and then converted to Alum
never fail the way I handle them. The ones I have now I have had for
years and years, the marine ones lasted me just over 1 year. Rotten
batteries.

True deep cycles have plates 6-8 times thicker than marine starter
batteries. I am not aware of any true deep cycles from Lowes but
that is my opinion on the other hand Turion-man uses them but a higher
grade costing more money per battery.

I wouldn't give a nickel from marine (green sticker) batteries, the ones
lawn mowers and tractors use to start motors with.

Also John Bedini pointed out how his Walmart 105 amp hours batteries
never gave him more than 30ah

These are the best https://www.wholesalesolar.com/9920055/trojan-battery-company/batteries/trojan-battery-company-scs200-flooded-battery?ads_cmpid=212913026&ads_adid=11757915986&a ds_matchtype=&ads_network=g&ads_creative=373178202 26&utm_term=&ads_targetid=pla-534412244552&utm_campaign=&utm_source=adwords&utm_ medium=ppc&ttv=2&gclid=Cj0KCQjw4eXPBRCtARIsADvOjY3 lAYKCA24HVSQ5XPc-anGxIuM1rRbd_kz8LXBRs5qEHdY4iusMbmQaAnLNEALw_wcB



Or these, stay away from high CCA AKA (Cold Cranking Amps) this
represents motor starting type. This battery is 1/3rd the size of those
tractor batteries and last longer all the way around. More consistent
power delivery for years after the big start batteries kroak out.


https://www.walmart.com/ip/VMAX-V35-857-12V-35AH-AGM-Deep-Cycle-U1-Battery-7-7-x-5-x-6-1-for-Minn-Kota-Endura-C2-40-12V-40lb-Trolling-Motor/811274501?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=6926&a did=22222222227083240345&wmlspartner=wmtlabs&wl0=& wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=196329475394&wl4=aud-306997118081la-316293431948&wl5=9024376&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl 10=115070360&wl11=online&wl12=811274501&wl13=&veh= sem


This guy sells the same battery on EBAY for $70 bucks TO THE DOOR
no core charge like ole Walmart likes to rack up against you another
$10 for their trashy batteries. These are the type I own.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/12V-35Ah-AGM-Deep-Cycle-Battery-for-RENOGY-PV-SOLAR-PANELS/272536950941?hash=item3f7477d89d:g2EAAOSwLEtYi7Qj

[wantomake]

True but,

Bromikey,
I bought 10 of those green sticker "Interstate" marine batteries in 2010. I've got 8 of them left. 2 I burned up doing stupid experiments that I wasn't supposed to be doing. I'm not defending this battery, I know it's for marine use. Not solar use. But I do connect my Imhotep pulse charger to them here and there. They are good for poor man like me. Not everyone can afford $195 per battery.

Also those batteries are showing that the longer I allow the setup to run, the more they seem to hold a charge, reduce in voltage at slower rate, work in any position, and will balance out if done correctly.

I did balance the output on the inverter with the input from the Matt modified motor(generator) back to the banks and watched a two hour run only use 3/10 of a volt from the primaries. But if the balancing was perfected there would be better runs. Notice Bromikey I didn't say OU.

I now see the magic/beauty/anomaly what ever those smart ones call it. So I'll be building a better switching device to see more interesting events.

Thanks for the link but way over my budget, maybe later.
wantomake