3 Battery Generating System

[OrionLightShip]

Randys New Setup

Two bits to add about two things:

1. Try a good Earth ground tied to the two positives between the transducer batteries.

2. If that doesn't help then move the motor to run across both source batteries (provided you can run 24 volts.

Just a thought....
Still trying to adjust to the viewpoint that the scalar is just a waste byproduct and isn't really needed here. That any motor works is proof of that.

I have no idea what we are looking for? parallel aetheric sympathetic resonance? We live in a strange dimension and universe, unbelievable actually.

I like your bridge analogy Duncan.... #2 above makes the circuit symmetrical like a bridge.

[Peculian]

Good Progress in here

Hi 3BGS Team!
May I join your lounge here ?
Turion, many thanks for deciding to make these interesting results public for everyone to see and "taste".

Recently I decided to make some experiments.
So, given the fact that I have collected quite a lot of motorcylce batteries I thought to give a go to the whole thing.
Please keep in mind that I have not read all pages in this thread. I`ve read from first to page 27~ and then "jumped" to page 69 and on till here we are now(page).
(Still trying to read from the rest of the posts, however)

The results of my experiments where interesting, even though not exactly as i.e Turion`s exact system or other folks` setups here.
My first experiment involved a few motorcycle batteries and a 36v dc brushed motor.
As one could expect, when conected the "dead" battery poles were reading 24v or so.
It started to get down to 18v and on the motor went.
I left like that for about 40mins or so and the dead battery had already woken up so to say from it`s dead state.
Puting a 10w 12v lamp on it showed it had taken some charge.
The good batteries eventually had also losen some charge, and letting them there a long
recovered some of that energy, but not all of it.
The good thing however is that my bad battery didn`t like to hold that charge even for at least resting overnight.
So I tried different motors litle ones and not so litle ones, like
12v cassette player motor,VHS loading motors, 6v 5a toy machine motor,
and a 12v car radiator motor, all of whom with different results.
But to this time I have yet to complete a "balanced" system so I can draw some more power from.
Side results:when these litle motors are used I get a slight difference of temp
on the bad battery poles, like Duncan has seen and reported but no ice on them not yet.
when a load is connected to the bad battery terminals it gives a different
type of sparking than that of the original sparks one gets from a battery when shorted etc.
I see there my setup is not yet balanced since I need more experimenting on this
and will do them when time permits.
Meanwhile, my bad battery hasn`t changed that much, so I see I can continue test on that battery.
When a converter is connected to the bad battery, it cannot maintain continuity
even if the motor (not the litle ones in this case) is stopped entirely by holding on it.

Nice to see that other guys have had more success with the 3BGS.
It means that I have work ahead of me to do to balance my setup.
This as well might be true for others who are getting around all of this.

A suggestion from me to the more succesfull replicators out there is that
when posting, please post as much details of your setup, so for helping others
speed up their crude setups.

Many thanks to contributors in this thread.

[tachyoncatcher]

Two bits to add about two things:

1. Try a good Earth ground tied to the two positives between the transducer batteries.

Exactly right! I mentioned it in an earlier post, but I did fail to add it to the drawing. I will correct it. This is a critical point. The ground in the wrong place will DRAIN, or rather draw off, what we are hoping to stimulate.

2. If that doesn't help then move the motor to run across both source batteries (provided you can run 24 volts.

Just a thought....
Still trying to adjust to the viewpoint that the scalar is just a waste byproduct and isn't really needed here. That any motor works is proof of that.

I have no idea what we are looking for? parallel aetheric sympathetic resonance? We live in a strange dimension and universe, unbelievable actually.

Magnetics, my friend. IMAO, we have been chasing the wrong force. I will give #2 a try. If it fails, it will help confirm my thinking.
--Edit:-- Yes! It failed. I got about 30 minutes out of it. All batteries drained.
In the run before this test, with the setup as drawn, I shut it down after 3 hours and went to bed. Batteries still charged. --Edit>--

I like your bridge analogy Duncan.... #2 above makes the circuit symmetrical like a bridge.

Duncan, anything I post here is open source and you can do what you please with it. But, in my distorted way of thinking, your drawing is not the same. Wrong force. In my tests, physical positioning can make a difference. Another reason I suggest wrong force. Instead of a bunch of electron balls with a charge traveling down a pipe, think of a sound wave that is forced to travel along the wire. A compression wave of sorts. Different dynamic. Not limited to the wire, but attracted to the material of it. A sticky wave, that drags other things along with it. !! Huh? !! Magnetics buddy! I think we've made this a lot harder than it has to be by looking at the wrong thing. Ok, I feel like a newborn baby laying on a table. Enough of that. Let the experiments show us the way!
Randy

[Turion]

Welcome

Peculiar,

Every motor is different, so balancing your setup is going to be the biggest challenge. You need a way to put a load on the motor and small loads to add to battery three. In my experience, you HAVE to have a load on the motor for some reason. Use one of your motors as your run motor and the other as a generator. Build or buy a full wave bridge and then you can run 12 volt loads on both sides of the setup to balance it. There are no tips or tricks other than what I put inthe first post, at least not that I know of. But any thing I can do to help, let me know. I want to see everyone who tries this get in some successful runs so they see what we are talking about.

Dave

[Peculian]

Thanks Turion

Peculiar,

Every motor is different, so balancing your setup is going to be the biggest challenge. You need a way to put a load on the motor and small loads to add to battery three. In my experience, you HAVE to have a load on the motor for some reason. Use one of your motors as your run motor and the other as a generator. Build or buy a full wave bridge and then you can run 12 volt loads on both sides of the setup to balance it. There are no tips or tricks other than what I put inthe first post, at least not that I know of. But any thing I can do to help, let me know. I want to see everyone who tries this get in some successful runs so they see what we are talking about.

Dave

Hi Turion.
Thanks again for the help you are giving to anyone here.
I`ve already tried out some minor loads like pc fan-motors etc.
I guess I need to charge the source batteries fully to make balancing tests with the small motors
even though I already did a axle-to-axle two identical motors, one as a gen and putting mini-loads to it.
Fortunatelly I have around enough burnt-out pc power supplies and spare parts to play with.
Also some good schottky diodes, high speed diodes.
I have no doubt that there are any hidden tips &tricks because everything is on the table and really very simple schematic.
Even folks with none electric/electronics knowledge can do this simple experiment and repeat the 3BGS.
Also there is the other thing I see here, from your responses that this system needs to be replicated by
as much people as possible, and as fast it can be, so to engineer out different aspect of the system so that it becomes a "serious power supply"
you know.. a very useful energy machine.
Me too, like to do as much as my time permits me to do experiments as much as possible to learn from this simple-looking setup,
but with great and promissing results.

So, keep up the good work guys & girls!

[Duncan]

circuit different ? only in aspect.

It also crossed my mind Randy …. as you are having a deal of success earthing one side of the Battery .. but frying one side of the battery terminals …. an interesting take on it could well be earthing both sides of the thing with back to back Diodes A'la Avramenko plug

Exploring the Avramenko Plug - Heretical Builders

This could (perhaps) balance the current that’s frying one side of the battery. It would also bring the bridge into balance. …. Just a thought
Yeah the Bridge is novel isn’t it Kerry .. It focuses all of the mathematics, frequency,impedance phase relationship and so on right on this circuit …. It makes it engineer-able.
I'm not so sure about any motor … gotta be brushed that’s for sure . IMHO a total reversal of current in the fastest time .. at a frequency that will resonant with local telluric current is what's occurring (I think) but that's just me dipping my toe in the water.
As for the bridge drawing being different Randy … Its actually drawn wire for wire … its the same circuit just drawn a little differently. I did that simply to emphasise that you have wired a bridge circuit and the full weight of the maths and theory of which there's masses can be focused on that circuit (should you wish)
As for the magnetics There is really no dispute. Which is why I drew a wound toroid on ferrite much earlier. I believe it to be magnetic too, The question is .. from which dimension and quadrant .
Or rather to put that another way .. is it a longitudinal or transverse wave . As you say experiments will tell. I think it to be longitudinal ground wave .. but its only a guess
welcome perculian .. as I say above no one as far as I know has had any luck with anything other than a brushed motor. However when it happens in front of you .. and it surly will if you persist, you will know it instantly .. and you'll never forget it. Like the song “It takes your breath away”
good luck PS Randy .. I have dotted the AV plug I suggest . On the version of your schematic ... I drew dont draw schematics with your weekend end beer I'll correct it .. best wishes D

[Duncan]

Perhaps like this ?



I have put remove there Randy but to be honest the AV plug is a bit of a mystery to me ... might be better left in place .. just wondering how to stop the batteries frying and keep the wheatstone bridge closer to balanced of course..

[Duncan]

nor me ... but its a good hunt

Two bits to add about two things:

1. Try a good Earth ground tied to the two positives between the transducer batteries.

2. If that doesn't help then move the motor to run across both source batteries (provided you can run 24 volts.

Just a thought....
Still trying to adjust to the viewpoint that the scalar is just a waste byproduct and isn't really needed here. That any motor works is proof of that.

I have no idea what we are looking for? parallel aetheric sympathetic resonance? We live in a strange dimension and universe, unbelievable actually.

I like your bridge analogy Duncan.... #2 above makes the circuit symmetrical like a bridge.

Hi Kerry .. would have helped if I had drawn it right … from my own bits and pieces so far I get this sort of feeling … what you call a scalar is what ? As far as your scope goes a very sharp spike possibly 100s of volts . IMHO it is a total reversal of current in a very short time . Caused by a very rapid open circuit … commutator action … I suppose Scalar is really a size relationship In that the pulses are identical which I would think is a must for a resonant state. The resonant state you can get to by altering any of the arms of the AC Wheatstone bridge or frequency (motor speed)
does that scalar have to be huge or necessarily generated by a DC motor … I Don't think so,
I suspect an H bridge will do the same job. It can certainly hit resonance with the battery.
I have done that, but I didn't get COP+1.. perhaps because of battery state .. or perhaps because the motor is serving yet another purpose . The purpose I had sketched on that toroid, magnetic oscillation and conversion. But I don't know! like Randy says experiments will have to tease the answers out but I haven't seen an Electrical COP +1 circuit that doesn't involve a magnetic circuit some where in the mix.
So redundant ? I think perhaps not . We have a good idea what its sending out .. but no Idea what sort of electricity or current is coming back., or how the magnetics of the motor is interacting. Like Randy says experiments , luck and clue's should get us there.

[Turion]

Duncan, in your first iteration of Randy's drawing, you had the motor connected to both sides of one of the primary batteries, and it I noticed that right away. In the latest version the motor is between a primary and a transducer, which is where I believe it has to be.

I don't know if Randy has fried ANY batteries with this setup. I think it is something he has only come up with in the last couple days, but I will leave that question to him. I think it is previous schematics that fried batteries, but I could be wrong. I have had a version running since yesterday. Good results so far. Nothing fried, not even my inverter. (fingers and toes crossed)

I am in the process of clearing my 3BGS bench to do some long term testing of this setup. That way I have access to my light bank and can see what kinds of loads I can run with it. I have two scopes, so that's three channels, and I should be able to put one on each primary and one across the transducers, if I can figure out where the best placement is. When in doubt, I call Matt. He always bails me out when I get in over my head.

Stock, off the shelf, Razor Scooter motor. When I have a "presentable" setup, will shoot some video with scope shots. Should have time for that in the morning while the wife is catching up on some work from the office.

[Duncan]

wind set fair

Duncan, in your first iteration of Randy's drawing, you had the motor connected to both sides of one of the primary batteries, and it I noticed that right away. In the latest version the motor is between a primary and a transducer, which is where I believe it has to be.

I don't know if Randy has fried ANY batteries with this setup. I think it is something he has only come up with in the last couple days, but I will leave that question to him. I think it is previous schematics that fried batteries, but I could be wrong. I have had a version running since yesterday. Good results so far. Nothing fried, not even my inverter. (fingers and toes crossed)

I am in the process of clearing my 3BGS bench to do some long term testing of this setup. That way I have access to my light bank and can see what kinds of loads I can run with it. I have two scopes, so that's three channels, and I should be able to put one on each primary and one across the transducers, if I can figure out where the best placement is. When in doubt, I call Matt. He always bails me out when I get in over my head.

Stock, off the shelf, Razor Scooter motor. When I have a "presentable" setup, will shoot some video with scope shots. Should have time for that in the morning while the wife is catching up on some work from the office.

there was copious beer involved with the first iteration David I had a sharp intake of breath when I looked again also .. I was thinking series and drew parallel
I'm sure transducers shouldn't be a trans-dressers either still I guess you got the salient point anyway .. the thing is a wheatstone bridge I seem to have family heading my way for a short while which puts me out of action very annoying I'd like to give this latest incarnation a run too

[tachyoncatcher]

Fried

I don't know if Randy has fried ANY batteries with this setup. I think it is something he has only come up with in the last couple days, but I will leave that question to him.

How do we learn with out failure? Yes, I fried a couple batteries. That is why I said ONLY use bad batteries as transducers. Good ones in that position will cook. Lol. I try everything I can think of. The first time I try something new, I cover the batteries and wear goggles. Makes my wife . Most times they just leak everywhere.

Dave, glad to hear you got it running. One of my transducer batts started to creep up in voltage after about 8 hours . The other is exactly the same. I'm going to try to match them up better. When I started with them one was at .1 volt and the other at 6v. I have a different one at 1v to replace the 6, now 9v batt.

[Duncan]

consider this...



I've been staring at this circuit of yours drawn as a bridge Randy , here's a something worth a try perhaps and the reason why.. with a few guesses of course … I'm going to assume its ground current there seems some evidence for that as battery terminals are melting.
However regardless of what the energy is it seems that to balance the charge on the transducers would be a good starting point. In other words treat this just as the Wheatstone bridge it is.!
That being so in this case as you have it connected the equation is

(Motor + source 1) x Transducer 2 = source 2 x Transducer 1

obviously the bridge can never be balanced is this configuration with equal batteries and more (whatever it is) must fall more heavily on one transducer than the other. ..because the arms of the bridge can never be equal with a motor in one of them.
As you point out Randy the situation is already far better with two transducers .. what happened to bad battery? Still traducers sounds more impressive I guess.
Anyway why not equalise the Wheatstone bridge even more and move the motor to a position between the two source batteries? … that is the position at the bottom of this drawing .
If that works the same … and just at the moment I see no reason why it shouldn't.
Why then the bridge balance becomes

(½ motor + source 1) x Transducer 2 = (½ motor + source 2) x Transducer 1

now girls and boys if that works you have a balanced bridge … (or at least balanced as well as your batteries are) In theory at least now the charging effect on each”Transducer” should be equal .. and by the sounds of what you wrote earlier regards using two of them this could make it pretty much Zero
.. now that would be quaint .. wouldn't it ?

[Turion]

Get to work!!

We're so very close now guys. It's time for those who have been sitting on the fence to jump on board the train because this thing is moving in the right direction. I shut down for the night, but did see some charging in one of my transducers. Primaries seem to be holding steady though. Can't wait for tomorrow.

[Duncan]

poor O'l skeptic's test

We're so very close now guys. It's time for those who have been sitting on the fence to jump on board the train because this thing is moving in the right direction. I shut down for the night, but did see some charging in one of my transducers. Primaries seem to be holding steady though. Can't wait for tomorrow.

so much for skeptics test you can just send him one to power his house in a short time

[Turion]

LOL. I'm still running that test on a different setup. I've got enough motors and batteries to have five or six setups going, but usually have no more than two. I'm limited by the number of inverters I have. I'm thinking about getting a third up and running if I can figure out how to build an AV plug to put on it. Lowes always has inverters.