3 Battery Generating System

[Turion]

The other day on another forum someone posted that all we were seeing here is a reactivation of a battery that appears be dead, but when we break the sulfation loose with high voltage spikes the battery suddenly returns to its former fully charged state, and that's where we are getting our "free energy" from. That the 3BGS is BS. This was brought to my attention, and I said at the time that I couldn't be bothered to respond to what some idiot posted. But then I thought about it for a while and I realized that unless this thing is kept alive, there will be no bright young minds looking into it who some day figure it out, and that would be a shame. So I decided NOT to let it slide.

I have restored dozens of batteries to working condition using the 3BGs, so I am well aware that batteries can be brought back to life from a sulfated condition. That is one of the pain in the butt aspects of this thing. It restores batteries I want to stay bad, because when they were 'bad" I was getting excess energy. I have said that many, many times if you bother to read through the thread.

Over 20 people who have replicated the 3BGS over the years have gotten their 3 batteries to run loads that have exceeded the available amp hours of their batteries by several times and at the end of such runs, in MANY cases, the batteries were still fully charged. In some cases the primaries had gone down, but they had still exceeded the energy available by several times. In a few cases, the loads which should have exhausted that available energy in a matter of hours ran for as long as three weeks. Then it quit for no reason. In over eight years of testing I have had such runs myself on a several occasions. I have put eight years into this, and I have a pretty good idea of how long a 7.5 amp hour battery will will run an inverter with a 100 watt bulb attached. Unless you see this for yourself, I do not expect you to believe it, which is why I began this thread in the first place. Having serious doubts is your right. You are absolutely right to be skeptical. But until you do the research and spend the time necessary to thoroughly debunk this project, I find it reprehensible that you would go on another forum and make such comments behind my back. You have no honor.

In the interest of honesty I should also disclose that MANY people have seen absolutely nothing when they put together this setup. But in those cases I have to wonder if they followed the step by step directions in Post #1 and got the RIGHT dead battery. If they didn't, I wouldn't EXPECT them to get any results.

[shylo]

Sorry John

You misunderstood my question, My fault for not explaining better.
A single battery dead or alive , when you draw a load off of it, ...does that battery drain from all cells evenly , but from the top of the cells, or evenly throughout the height of the cell? Or maybe the bottom?
Thank-you for taking the time.
artv

[John_Bedini]

3 battery system

Artv
The cells should pull all even unless all the lead is used up on the plates.
Bad batteries are usually sulphated and no movement in ions or electrons
Can take place. Pulsing the battery or high energy spikes remove the
Sulphated crystals providing that cells have no shorts. Only this type of lead cell
Can be restored to about 85% Batteries with shorted cells will not work
With this process unless you clean the built up lead in the bottom of the
Battery. The only other thing is shorted insulators then nothing can be done. Best to watch the process with good batteries.
John

[Turion]

[shylo]

the battery

Hi John, Is the battery constructed to hold charge in levels, or in even flow from top to bottom???
I just use dead bats ,It's like batteries go through stages, It's like something is giving them a kidney punch?
Is it like a high rise building , where it takes all the charge off the top then works its' way down, or does it take from all levels' evenly?
This is part of what I need to figure out.
Just ramblin, Thanks for your time
artv

[John_Bedini]

[Turion]

Confusion

John,
I understand what you are saying, and I understand the original intent of the 3 battery system. It was to rotate the three batteries and all three would remain charged. If the load was right.

What I stumbled upon quite by accident was that if you have the right "bad" battery in the third position, something happens, almost as if a gate is opened, and you can run the setup WITHOUT rotating the batteries...battery three increases in voltage, and sometimes even the primaries (batteries one and two) increase in voltage, and the motor runs loads while a load is also across battery three. In over eight years of experimenting with this setup, I have seen that happen several times. The first time it happened, it lasted for several weeks and I thought I was going to be rich. I have seen it last for days. I have seen it last for hours. Then suddenly it stops happening and the primaries begin to discharge. On two occasions when it was "working" I disconnected all the connections on the batteries and discovered that battery 3 had flipped polarity. It is possible that this is what has happened EVERY time it has been "working".

Several other folks have replicated this setup WITHOUT rotating the batteries and seen the same thing, although from the reports I have gotten the best anyone has had was a run of a couple days before it quit working. What we HOPED to find was a consistent method of getting a battery in the third position to achieve whatever state it needs to be in for this "gate" to open. We have not been able to do that yet.

As I said, I think it is about getting battery 3 to flip its magnetic polarity, not its electrical polarity, although I believe it flips its electrical polarity at the same time. But just because it flips its electrical polarity doesn't mean it has flipped its magnetic polarity.

So at least what I have been working on is not the same as the original intent of the circuit you were demonstrating, because I was NOT rotating the batteries. I realize that may just confuse folks, but I wanted to be sure that the difference between the two experiments is clear, even though the circuit is exactly the same.

Dave

[John_Bedini]

3 battery system

It appears that this device is becoming over compcated, this is a simple
device . To answer the question about the 12 volt battery it is charged at 15 volts anything below that the battery is not charged. You must bring the battery
to the end of the charge curve. You need the reserve energy to get the correct
Amp Hrs. In the demnstration I gave with the three battery system the balancing of the voltage is important weither we use 3 volts or 24 volts that is
not important, it's the differnce potential energy to charge the third battery
You must chose the load very carefully for this process to work. The load must run and charge the third battery.
John

[Turion]

For a long time it has been my belief that flipping the magnetic polarity of a battery is what has caused it to produce excess energy on the 3BGS setup.

[shylo]

getting closer

Hi Matt, Does it depend on when you switch, what level?
Interaction occurs within proximity , the closer it is ,the stronger it is.
The level is what we want.
On a side note, would a set of 3 travelers , going through 3 tracks , have you already done this?
artv

[Matthew Jones]

Nice to hear from you John.

The thing is your drawing says "Start with Dead battery less than 1.5 volt" David didn't know your were using AA batts. So he found a 12 volt batt that was less than 1.5v.
When he ran it with a motor the 24 v section charged up and kept running for months. He named it the 3 battery generating system after realizing he found something other than was discussed.

I have seen the charging first hand but usually the battery has tendency to fix itself. I watched one run that way for several hours before the system started to consume.

Its funny thing but unfortunately it has no rhyme or reason why some do and some don't.

Cheer
Matt

[shylo]

levels

Hi John, I'm sure you know,
When is the best time to rotate, 14.5 ?
When you force 2 fields against each other is that a di-pole?
What's stronger, fields attracting or opposing?
If you let gravity affect a magnetic field ,..does it change the strenght ?
Sorry ,but like to hear your answers.
artv

[John_Bedini]

[tachyoncatcher]

Resonance

@Xenophanes, Not sure what happened to your post today, but you are matching our thinking as to what is happening here. This is why Turion is suggesting known resonant additions to this system. It has been suggested that the addition of the third battery, lowered the resonant frequency of the system to that of the commutator, causing the influx that we have seen. However, batteries being what they are, the chemistry of the third battery, along with the resonant frequency changed. This caused an action something like a dog chasing its tail. Around and round we would go, trying to keep the thing in balance (resonance). It has also been suggested, once the third battery repaired itself sufficiently, the resonant frequency would rise above the possible threshold of the existing motor/s. Thanks for your input.

Randy

[Turion]

Coil

Maybe just wire one strand of a GIANT bifilar coil into the circuit and as you pulse the motor, collect from the other side of that coil to dump into your cap. Might work even better than a generator. Either that or a transformer.