My Motors got me to Tap into Radiant Energy

[JohnStone]

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If I used the "cheaper" PM from RMC, could I add the bouster, etc. and use a opto-coupler (or equivalent) and achieve sharp edges at 1us ON time?.......

You will drive your cybernetics circuit with i.e. 12V only.

It will be fine if you attach to each opto (anode pin 2) a pullup resistor of 1.2K to 12V (anode pin 2) and connect all cathodes (pin 3) to your cybernetics circuit output. And voi la you have a superiour and extremely scalable driver for any cluster of FET drivers you have built already.

The FOD3180 will do the sharp edges for you. This is why it was built. Do not mind the edges of your cybernetics driver.

I hope this is what you what to know.

@ALL:
1. Please understand that driving with 555 is a quick and dirty solution - very cheap and quite good for your money. Therfore I promote it.
2. Better is to use dedicated FET drivers spending some extra bucks.
3. Superiour is the solution with FOD3180 but you spend again some additional bucks.
It is left to your choice!

All three solutions do not suffer on poor driver edges from your generator.

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Using the "cheaper" PWM

Johns,

If I used the "cheaper" PM from RMC, could I add the bouster, etc. and use a opto-coupler (or equivalent) and achieve sharp edges at 1us ON time?

Bob

[QUOTE=JohnStone;216011][QUOTE=Cornboy 555;215936]...If you are not already familiar with RM Cybernetics PWM's, could you do me a favour and check out their web site for me and let me know if these units can be used to drive high power fet bank gates directly from battery with resistor? Like Darlington pair maybe?

The pics are one i have that has still survived spikes from directly pulsing coils.AS they are adjustable for pulse width and duty cycle it may be a simple solution for me. Everything you need is in the user manual online....

Hi cornboy,
first of all what are your exparctation regrding the cybernetics circuit. If you expect to much you will be disappointed and if you expect less you might be overwhelmed.
I can not detect waht circuit exactly you have:

• PWM-OCB (DISCONTINUED) 50V 8.5A 100kHz
• PWM-OCBI (DISCONTINUED) 400V 3.5A 100kHz
• PWM-OCX 50V 14A 1.5MHz
• PWM-OCXI 400V 9A 1.5MHz

If you intend to use it for pulsing directly it depends what coil/motor you have as device under test. 400V 14A will be nice for start but there is no such unit. As far I got it you are more interested in giant DUTs - or am I wrong? With this attitude the cybernetics circuit is a toy for very beginning. (check your expectations )

If you inted to have just a nice PWM generator -> you will be happy with it.
You need to give any FOD3180 10mA input drive current to the internal LED.
It will be fine if you attach to each opto (anode pin 2) a pullup resistor of 1.2K to 12V (anode pin 2) and connect all cathodes (pin 3 to your cybernetics circuit output. And voi la you have a superiour and extremely scalable driver for any cluster of FET drivers you have built already.

You might want to add an extra LED with 1.2K pullup in order to have a check light for proper operation.

It will be a good idea to do wiring conforming this sketch.
Use twisted pair wiring (i.e. LAN patch cable) to any FET cluster - same wire, same twists per inch, same length. Connect them to centered connection points.

On board use star wiring same wire length to all optos.

The hints above are not much effort but enshures you to have a superiour setup even for much higher frequencies. As you learned we deal here with very dynamic signals (remember your deer laughing . I saw on youtube so many horrible setups and I want you to learn doing it well.
The reason for these precautions it that we require the FETs to switch at the very same time. The propagation of electricity is about .75 speed of light (4.76 ns to travel one meter) Any defference of switching will force the FETs to emit more heat.

BTW: For all willing to follow Cornboy you can use a cheaper PWM.

[Cornboy 555]

Ah, Bio-Dynamic garlic! I like garlic! In Europe bio-dynamic is a fast growing matter. I will start a garden next spring - bio-dynamic. But you know: dimensions in Europe are smaller in all extents. In order to underline this - a joke:
Two farmers meet in a pub. One Amreican one German. They talk about their farm land.
American: If I start with my tractor in the early mornig in order to drive along the borders of my farm land I am not back at home before end of day!
German, nodding thoughtfully: Yes, once upon a time a owned such a (slow) tractor as well!
This is my type of "tractor" exactly.
Got it?
Sorry, it's off topic
John

HI, John have posted on motor thread what is probably relavent to this thread but had a motor of sorts in it.

All the best friend.

[Ufopolitics]

Great question Glen

Greetings folks:

Well, I'm just about done with the 8 FET and driver assembly, so now I'm wondering just how big/small should a coil be in order to drive a 'large' (whatever that means) motor which is being used as the prime mover for a generator.

(I figure Mr. UFO will demonstrate something on the 12th.)

Any ideas??

glen

Hello Glen,

That is a great question...

But the right answer is not a simple one...however, there are general rules that will get you to know if you have the right Motor to run your generator.

First You need to know all Spec's of the Generator you will be turning...piece of cake right? comes in the Manual...or On Line...well, within those spec's you need Generator Rotating Stator Mass Weight...and that one does not come anywhere...you have to measure it yourself.

Second measure your Motor Armature weight...
Understanding both rotors to be weighted with coils windings on...Motor could even be with just the Symmetrical original winding..

Answer: Both weights MUST BE very close...OR Motor could be Higher than Generator Rotor.
IF Generator is much more heavier than your Motor Armature...just forget about that Motor my friend, not good.

I have explained this in my other Thread when I was Instructing Turion on building his Asymmetric Generator...not to load it with so many armatures cores as to be too much different than his Motor...or would have to increase motor size.

This Motors perform based on Asymmetrical Magnetic Impacts from the energized Coils, where the intensity of Impact (Power-Force) depends directly upon the Mass of steel where Coils/Pairs are wrapped around (including -of course- the wires ...that is the Head of your Hammer) ...now, the sequentially operated "Hammering" of continuous coils through time, will get assisted by previous turned off mass acting like a Harmonic Balancer or like a Piston counter weight in a Gas Engine...plus also by Radiant Reversed Fields...all this will be contributing to your HP and Final Torque Output...which are a lot of forces involved there...

The total weight of your Asymmetric Motor Armature (disregarding commutator weight, even though it will be better to weight it without commutators on...but that is a hazard) that weight should be divided by four in a Four Brushed set...or in two for a two motor set...that would be approx the Impact weight of your motor...then you have to convert all data RPM's and all other previously shown to get to the real torque your Prime Mover would have...more or less explained very briefly...

I really do not like to keep "secrets" from any of you...all is out in the open here...on the 12, I will just be running and testing machines performance...as measuring all data...in a few videos.

Hope this help you out in your concern/question

Regards


Ufopolitics

[GlenWV]

Coil build for driving a large motor, or a car... a dozer...

Greetings folks:

Well, I'm just about done with the 8 FET and driver assembly, so now I'm wondering just how big/small should a coil be in order to drive a 'large' (whatever that means) motor which is being used as the prime mover for a generator.

(I figure Mr. UFO will demonstrate something on the 12th.)

Any ideas??

glen

[Cornboy 555]

Thanks.

Dear Cornboy 555
I have three of the OCX and have no problem with there output. As John Stone has said, they will act as a solid low power output for the front end and when using Johns Booster after that, should work well into high voltage as long as isolation is present. The folks at RM Cybernetics have stated that they could also build a back end, capable of any power output you want as long as you know what you want. Cost for this type custom back end is not much more than 85 euro's. Call them when you have decided what you want and the full package should be in your hands in a matter of weeks, ready to go. Before you do this however, go over with John to make sure you know what you want. I like your energy.
Dana

Thanks DANA,for me, and what i will be doing, that will be a definite option down the track, or maybe John Stone could build me something HD and bullet proof.

Same back at ya, energy wise. Regards.

[Cornboy 555]

Ah, Bio-Dynamic garlic! I like garlic! In Europe bio-dynamic is a fast growing matter. I will start a garden next spring - bio-dynamic. But you know: dimensions in Europe are smaller in all extents. In order to underline this - a joke:
Two farmers meet in a pub. One Amreican one German. They talk about their farm land.
American: If I start with my tractor in the early mornig in order to drive along the borders of my farm land I am not back at home before end of day!
German, nodding thoughtfully: Yes, once upon a time a owned such a (slow) tractor as well!
This is my type of "tractor" exactly.
Got it?
Sorry, it's off topic
John

Hey John, beautiful rig, it's never off topic to talk and show human things maybe thats who we are unfortunately that rig wouldn't be fast enough to pay my mortage or X Very warm regards Friend.

[JohnStone]

.... am busy with my anual garlic harvest at present and will get back soon.Yes i really am a farmer (A Bio-Dynamic one) and i do grow corn amongst other things. Thanks Friend.

Ah, Bio-Dynamic garlic! I like garlic! In Europe bio-dynamic is a fast growing matter. I will start a garden next spring - bio-dynamic. But you know: dimensions in Europe are smaller in all extents. In order to underline this - a joke:
Two farmers meet in a pub. One Amreican one German. They talk about their farm land.
American: If I start with my tractor in the early mornig in order to drive along the borders of my farm land I am not back at home before end of day!
German, nodding thoughtfully: Yes, once upon a time a owned such a (slow) tractor as well!
This is my type of "tractor" exactly.
Got it?
Sorry, it's off topic
John

[prochiro]

Dear Cornboy 555
I have three of the OCX and have no problem with there output. As John Stone has said, they will act as a solid low power output for the front end and when using Johns Booster after that, should work well into high voltage as long as isolation is present. The folks at RM Cybernetics have stated that they could also build a back end, capable of any power output you want as long as you know what you want. Cost for this type custom back end is not much more than 85 euro's. Call them when you have decided what you want and the full package should be in your hands in a matter of weeks, ready to go. Before you do this however, go over with John to make sure you know what you want. I like your energy.
Dana

[Cornboy 555]

Very Busy.

[QUOTE=JohnStone;216011][QUOTE=Cornboy 555;215936]...If you are not already familiar with RM Cybernetics PWM's, could you do me a favour and check out their web site for me and let me know if these units can be used to drive high power fet bank gates directly from battery with resistor? Like Darlington pair maybe?

The pics are one i have that has still survived spikes from directly pulsing coils.AS they are adjustable for pulse width and duty cycle it may be a simple solution for me. Everything you need is in the user manual online....

Hi cornboy,
first of all what are your exparctation regrding the cybernetics circuit. If you expect to much you will be disappointed and if you expect less you might be overwhelmed.
I can not detect waht circuit exactly you have:

• PWM-OCB (DISCONTINUED) 50V 8.5A 100kHz
• PWM-OCBI (DISCONTINUED) 400V 3.5A 100kHz
• PWM-OCX 50V 14A 1.5MHz
• PWM-OCXI 400V 9A 1.5MHz

If you intend to use it for pulsing directly it depends what coil/motor you have as device under test. 400V 14A will be nice for start but there is no such unit. As far I got it you are more interested in giant DUTs - or am I wrong? With this attitude the cybernetics circuit is a toy for very beginning. (check your expectations )

If you inted to have just a nice PWM generator -> you will be happy with it.
You need to give any FOD3180 10mA input drive current to the internal LED.
It will be fine if you attach to each opto (anode pin 2) a pullup resistor of 1.2K to 12V (anode pin 2) and connect all cathodes (pin 3 to your cybernetics circuit output. And voi la you have a superiour and extremely scalable driver for any cluster of FET drivers you have built already.

You might want to add an extra LED with 1.2K pullup in order to have a check light for proper operation.

It will be a good idea to do wiring conforming this sketch.
Use twisted pair wiring (i.e. LAN patch cable) to any FET cluster - same wire, same twists per inch, same length. Connect them to centered connection points.

On board use star wiring same wire length to all optos.

The hints above are not much effort but enshures you to have a superiour setup even for much higher frequencies. As you learned we deal here with very dynamic signals (remember your deer laughing . I saw on youtube so many horrible setups and I want you to learn doing it well.
The reason for these precautions it that we require the FETs to switch at the very same time. The propagation of electricity is about .75 speed of light (4.76 ns to travel one meter) Any defference of switching will force the FETs to emit more heat.

BTW: For all willing to follow Cornboy you can use a cheaper PWM.

Hello John, please don't think that i'm neglecting to answer you, am busy with my anual garlic harvest at present and will get back soon.Yes i really am a farmer (A Bio-Dynamic one) and i do grow corn amongst other things. Thanks Friend.

[JohnStone]

[QUOTE=Cornboy 555;215936]...If you are not already familiar with RM Cybernetics PWM's, could you do me a favour and check out their web site for me and let me know if these units can be used to drive high power fet bank gates directly from battery with resistor? Like Darlington pair maybe?

The pics are one i have that has still survived spikes from directly pulsing coils.AS they are adjustable for pulse width and duty cycle it may be a simple solution for me. Everything you need is in the user manual online....[QUOTE]

Hi cornboy,
first of all what are your exparctation regrding the cybernetics circuit. If you expect to much you will be disappointed and if you expect less you might be overwhelmed.
I can not detect waht circuit exactly you have:

• PWM-OCB (DISCONTINUED) 50V 8.5A 100kHz
• PWM-OCBI (DISCONTINUED) 400V 3.5A 100kHz
• PWM-OCX 50V 14A 1.5MHz
• PWM-OCXI 400V 9A 1.5MHz

If you intend to use it for pulsing directly it depends what coil/motor you have as device under test. 400V 14A will be nice for start but there is no such unit. As far I got it you are more interested in giant DUTs - or am I wrong? With this attitude the cybernetics circuit is a toy for very beginning. (check your expectations )

If you inted to have just a nice PWM generator -> you will be happy with it.
You need to give any FOD3180 10mA input drive current to the internal LED.
It will be fine if you attach to each opto (anode pin 2) a pullup resistor of 1.2K to 12V (anode pin 2) and connect all cathodes (pin 3 to your cybernetics circuit output. And voi la you have a superiour and extremely scalable driver for any cluster of FET drivers you have built already.

You might want to add an extra LED with 1.2K pullup in order to have a check light for proper operation.

It will be a good idea to do wiring conforming this sketch.
Use twisted pair wiring (i.e. LAN patch cable) to any FET cluster - same wire, same twists per inch, same length. Connect them to centered connection points.

On board use star wiring same wire length to all optos.

The hints above are not much effort but enshures you to have a superiour setup even for much higher frequencies. As you learned we deal here with very dynamic signals (remember your deer laughing . I saw on youtube so many horrible setups and I want you to learn doing it well.
The reason for these precautions it that we require the FETs to switch at the very same time. The propagation of electricity is about .75 speed of light (4.76 ns to travel one meter) Any defference of switching will force the FETs to emit more heat.

BTW: For all willing to follow Cornboy you can use a cheaper PWM.

[Lester444]

Coil Winding Method Presented

Greetingd Ufopolitics, folks.

I have read each page of this thread from page 1 to the last (skipping posts that do not add to my understanding) and I would say I have good grasp of the concepts involved. Thank you Ufopolitcs for showing us your findings!

From the previous posts, it was made clear that the method of winding the coil is of utmost importance if we are to see the effects of the pulses in generating radiant energy. I took particular notice of how to CORRECTLY interconnect the individual layers of the multi-layer coil, which, if not followed, will exhibit cancellation of inductance from one layer to the next. We might not see the radiant energy if the individual layers are incorrectly connected.

Two things crossed my mind:
1. If interconnection (or phasing if you will allow the term) is so important, how come this same method was not followed in making the asymmetric field motors?
2. If cancellation of the inductance actually happens, how come the air-core armature does not SEEM to show this cancellation effect? It is evident from the videos that the windings were not layered.

I ask these to questions only to further my understanding. I am not questioning the validity of the concepts presented although I do ask for further clarification concerning these seemingly contradicting methods of winding the coils.

I admire your dedication & generosity ufopolitics. Please do not take my post in a negative way. If the concepts fed to us by J.P Morgan and his associates were questioned during their time (as I am doing with this coil winding concept now) then perhaps we would be in a better position today.

Thank you and I wish you success in your work. We need it badly now.

[Cornboy 555]

Forgot

Sorry John, Just in case you didn't know , the three 8pin plugins are TC4428 LM393N NE555N Thanks Mate.

[Cornboy 555]

Pwm


Hello John, yes you assumed correctly, no electrolitic, yes guilty.Will fix if i rebuild this unit based on your much valued suggestions.

If you are not already familiar with RM Cybernetics PWM's, could you do me a favour and check out their web site for me and let me know if these units can be used to drive high power fet bank gates directly from battery with resistor? Like Darlington pair maybe?

The pics are one i have that has still survived spikes from directly pulsing coils.AS they are adjustable for pulse width and duty cycle it may be a simple solution for me. Everything you need is in the user manual online.

Yeh i know it's cheating, and that i need to know exactly how things work, but i have a 7 days a week job and dislike spending valuable r&d time on tiny stuff that drives me bonkers.Rather build a nice big high torque, iron based, motor UFO style.

Many thanks Friend, i understand why UFO calls you Sir.
Thanks in advance.

[JohnStone]