My Motors got me to Tap into Radiant Energy

[larryross]

Hi all
Has anyone ever tried using this for multifilar winding. This is 16 wires X 100', but it is only 28 AWG. I have more than 400 feet of it. Thoughts come back 10 4?

Regards
Larry

[larryross]

Sorry I did see your edit after I posted.

I got my 10 turn pots today so now I can make very fine adjustments on frequency and duty cycle.

[Ufopolitics]

This is your circuit isn't it?

LOL...Yes Larry it is...read my "edit" above...
Sorry, I have been rotating too many motors...

And now I see the 100 Ohms coming out of leg 3 of 555, on Oscillator Board...So...Ian have it fine then...

[larryross]

This is your circuit isn't it?

[Ufopolitics]

Good day Ian
I think this will make your circuit compatible with UFO's diagram.

Hello Larry,

I do not recall a 15K Resistor there, between ground and 330 resistors to gates..?
I Bias Gate by individual (per Mosfet) 47K...and I see Ian has them there. So, I don't think it is necessary there...again, correct me if in further posts it was a patch to mine...
I just found out Torpex uses this 10K...In his circuit...

I DO APOLOGIZE, YES I DO HAVE THAT 15 K RESISTOR!!

So, what Ian is missing is the 100 Ohms from 555


Regards


Ufopolitics

[larryross]

Good day Ian
I think this will make your circuit compatible with UFO's diagram. KOG's more happy motor.

[Ufopolitics]

What I can see...

G'Day UFO
Thankyou for your perusal and comments
From past experience I have found that tooo many screw connections are undesirable so that could be my problem so today I rebuilt the part of the circuit that handles the mosfets and transistors and rewired it so as everything is exposed and you can see where everything goes.
I left the Voltage regulator and the 555Oscillator as they were.

I also drew a diagram showing the placement of the parts as I see them from your Happy Motor Diagram and diagram of your connections to mosfets etc.

I found now on 3 occasions I replaced the ON/Of Switch when I put the switch in the Bat negative to switch on/off it worked once and then would not switch off even though when I disconnected it from the circuit the DMM showed that is was apparently OK because when I switched it OFF there was no continuity and when I switched it on there was continuity

The diagran and photos are here

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa350/Kogs1/Kogs%20UFO%20Photos/KogsUnhappyMotor.jpg

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa350/Kogs1/Kogs%20UFO%20Photos/REbuild2.jpg

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa350/Kogs1/Kogs%20UFO%20Photos/REbuild3.jpg

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa350/Kogs1/Kogs%20UFO%20Photos/REbuild1.jpg

When I switched it on There was no response and after a few moments I used the thermometer and everything was cold EXCEPT the coil 50Deg C
The coil is one I had 5/.8mm Filar litzed 583 foot long the Ohms are measured 1.32

I am sure the Mosfets blew because I tested with an in circuit tester for transistors and they were dead.
I just do not seem to be able to figure out what is wrong

The wire colors are so as they are what I have on hand

Please How can I test with out switching it on
Kindest regards



Still trying

Hello Ian,

I see something wrong at the 100 or 10 K Ohms Resistor?

It should ONLY GO to 330 resistors, according to drawing and pic's you are shorting Oscillations with Ground Source (-)

Take a look at Diag below...

Question, are you replicating My Circuit or other?...cause I have 100 Ohms there not 10 K...


Let me know


Regards

Ufopolitics


Ian,

Disregard this message...You've Got it all right, what I was pointing out...my bad Sorry!!

[iankoglin]

Kogs new setup

Hello Ian,

Ok, in this picture below, I see things that are not correct...but then again, I may be wrong...

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_0653.jpg

And I can not tell which is Positive which is negative...

Ian and All others replicating this:

Please use color code wiring for electrical connections, do not mix Red with Green, Green is always ground, Red is always Positive. Bright Reds, Orange and Yellows are used for positive, or positive signals...Green, Black...even sometimes Blue are used for grounds or Negatives.
Make sure when you take a shot, a picture of your set-up, you do not have hidden wires that leave the "scene" or "Area of View" and can not be traced at simple sight by looking at pic.

For example Ian, you have a red cable going to a connector (I don't know if next connector where another green wire comes out to mosfet board is connected through the plastic connector to that positive?...red?? Now that green passes through mosfet board under...have no idea if it is or not connected to board underneath...then goes to Coil wire...So, I can only "assume" you will connect the NTE576 in that plastic dual bolted conn..?

I also see a green cable coming out of mosfet's board (bolted) going to "nowhere, infinite"..maybe to Coil?...or is it just ground?

Mosfet's Board should only have three cables...

One is Source Negative direct to Source of Mosfet's legs.
Second wire for Drain, going to one Coil Terminal...then derive Diode -l>- to Lamp.
Third, is the Gate wire from 555 or LM339, or whatever oscillator you may have there...
Now according to your pic, I only see two cables going there, and that is assuming the under board running green cable (Positive?) from connector is going there also...
Now Positive (+) from Source, (Batteries +) have absolutely nothing to do at Mosfet's board...just Negative Source, Drain to Coil, and Gate from Oscillator.

Hope this post helps you trace your problem.


Regards


Ufopolitics


P.D: I know that those color codes that I mentioned above work basically for DC Electricity...As I know in AC the Black is the "Live Wire"...White is Neutral....and Green is ground from receptacles and embodiments chassis.

G'Day UFO
Thankyou for your perusal and comments
From past experience I have found that tooo many screw connections are undesirable so that could be my problem so today I rebuilt the part of the circuit that handles the mosfets and transistors and rewired it so as everything is exposed and you can see where everything goes.
I left the Voltage regulator and the 555Oscillator as they were.

I also drew a diagram showing the placement of the parts as I see them from your Happy Motor Diagram and diagram of your connections to mosfets etc.

I found now on 3 occasions I replaced the ON/Of Switch when I put the switch in the Bat negative to switch on/off it worked once and then would not switch off even though when I disconnected it from the circuit the DMM showed that is was apparently OK because when I switched it OFF there was no continuity and when I switched it on there was continuity

The diagran and photos are here

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa350/Kogs1/Kogs%20UFO%20Photos/KogsUnhappyMotor.jpg

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa350/Kogs1/Kogs%20UFO%20Photos/REbuild2.jpg

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa350/Kogs1/Kogs%20UFO%20Photos/REbuild3.jpg

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa350/Kogs1/Kogs%20UFO%20Photos/REbuild1.jpg

When I switched it on There was no response and after a few moments I used the thermometer and everything was cold EXCEPT the coil 50Deg C
The coil is one I had 5/.8mm Filar litzed 583 foot long the Ohms are measured 1.32

I am sure the Mosfets blew because I tested with an in circuit tester for transistors and they were dead.
I just do not seem to be able to figure out what is wrong

The wire colors are so as they are what I have on hand

Please How can I test with out switching it on
Kindest regards



Still trying

[ampsvolts]

Ampsvolts
Are you an aeromodeler also?

Afraid so Larry, been at it since the 50s - dabbled in most disciplines including electrics... Seems you are of the same era - Good luck with the foamie. (Saw a model in your pictures) Like you I am immensely interested in this project. My forte is computers so you guys are way above me when it comes to electronics - but I am learning . Enjoy the moment

[Ufopolitics]

OMG Bunker is not ready??!!

UFO
I agree with ampsvolts... we need you around so please be safe.

BTW the bunker is for the batteries and not me... I will be long gone. The fumes from them burning are very bad for you too.

Ampsvolts
Are you an aeromodeler also? You will find me and my work on RCGroups.com in the foamy scratch built section. There I am building among others a foam cargo plane with a 12 foot wing span and 4 electric motors. Till I came across UFO here then all plane projects got shelved in favor of radiant. My build table got turned into an electronic work bench. You will see some of my unfinished projects in the background of some of the pictures I post here.
Well I had a colonoscopy today so most of my day was shot.

Not every one appreciates my questions Ampsvolts.

Thanks Ian, but doubt I will live up to the chap in your story.

Tomorrow I will build a series harness for some liops and build my lipo bunker.

Regards
Larry

Larry,

Work positively with your mind...it has more powers than you could think of...so, stop repeating you have just few time left to live...that is not good at all, you are "programming" yourself, your body to go...from your mind...not good. It creates a series of responses within your Bio, that I would not be able to explain in detail, besides it is not part of this...but please think positively...that will not hurt...but will do good, trust me.

I fly RC Helicopters Larry, and also build them...so when you see my little motors I started playing with...you could make them for your planes...and they will be much longer times on air than you could ever imagine...
So do not worry...you will get to go back to it soon...

Regards

Ufopolitics

P.D: Did you ever found out about the "Sangre De Grado" I told you?
Please do.

[larryross]

UFO
I agree with ampsvolts... we need you around so please be safe.

BTW the bunker is for the batteries and not me... I will be long gone. The fumes from them burning are very bad for you too.

Ampsvolts
Are you an aeromodeler also? You will find me and my work on RCGroups.com in the foamy scratch built section. There I am building among others a foam cargo plane with a 12 foot wing span and 4 electric motors. Till I came across UFO here then all plane projects got shelved in favor of radiant. My build table got turned into an electronic work bench. You will see some of my unfinished projects in the background of some of the pictures I post here.
Well I had a colonoscopy today so most of my day was shot.

Not every one appreciates my questions Ampsvolts.

Thanks Ian, but doubt I will live up to the chap in your story.

Tomorrow I will build a series harness for some liops and build my lipo bunker.

Regards
Larry

[iankoglin]

Larry's setup

Some progress on my circuits.

G'Day Larry
Looks pretty good setup Looks like a bought one

You remind me of when in the late 60's I went to Data General to learn computer programming there was a class of about 12 and we were taught to write a program and after we finished writing it we gave it to the card punch operator. then when we all got our cards back they were put into the card reader of ar huge computer and if it didn't run we had to debug our program and do it all again.Some of us had to run our program 3 to 6 times to get it running there was one chap that was always last to have his program run it worked first time every time. Mine never worked first time

Regards

[Ufopolitics]

Run like Hell...

Ufopolitics


UFO - You are a worry .. LiPo's must be treated with respect and not abused - A good friend of mine badly burned his new home and was lucky to avoid injury by not obeying the rules. We need your expertise here, so stay safe

JohnStone.. Thank you for your recent circuits and explanations. Your attention to detail is amazing.

Larry.. Keep asking questions - we all benefit from the answers .. Being an aeromodeller, you obviously are a good guy. Stay well.

Thanks AmpsVolts!

I have a very nice IR Temp reader...and I keep watching them not getting hot...and if they do, by any chance...I'll run like hell to Larry's Bunker...

Regards

Ufopolitics

[ampsvolts]

LiPo Dare Devil

Ufopolitics

I am not afraid of LiPo's Larry...I have run them to a point of heating up and swelling like balloons ...hahaha...however, nothing happened so far as getting on fire or exploding, I have also taken them apart, take the bad cells off and make up a new set by exchanging cells from other battery...and soldering with a 75 Watt soldering iron I have for those purposes. ..At the Hobby Shop where I buy them, they offer me to get one of those "explosion proof" bags...I never use them...so they call me "LiPo Dare Devil"...

UFO - You are a worry .. LiPo's must be treated with respect and not abused - A good friend of mine badly burned his new home and was lucky to avoid injury by not obeying the rules. We need your expertise here, so stay safe

JohnStone.. Thank you for your recent circuits and explanations. Your attention to detail is amazing.

Larry.. Keep asking questions - we all benefit from the answers .. Being an aeromodeller, you obviously are a good guy. Stay well.

[larryross]

Great Larry!


However, you know that, am sure...It is BEST to use a Drain Bus Bar (the Heat Sink) to bolt there a solid pulsing Drain out to Coil, rather than from the finer mosfet leg...besides if mosfet gets extremely hot, could do ground through fine ceramic paper as insulation from factory...then Ka-Boom...they are gone...and...I know you do not like fires..till you build that Bunker...

Yes UFO I don't have all the wiring done yet. Drilling and taping the heat sinks for fet drain is still not done yet as neither is the 36V and ground connections or the fet driver lines. Still much to do.

I am used to build them like that because that is the way professionally built Motor Controllers are made...heavy Bus Bars as Drain Outputs...


Regards


Ufopolitics

Yes that is common practice and I did that on all devices that need cooling in all the industrial controllers I designed and built, but thanks for the reminder.

Regards
Larry