My Motors got me to Tap into Radiant Energy

[wonza]

If you are not registered and are here as a guest, you will not see most things. Is that the case here???
Dana

Could well be. If you try again when logged in, you should see it.

[prochiro]

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If you are not registered and are here as a guest, you will not see most things. Is that the case here???
Dana

[larryross]

Hi Ufopolitiics
I am new to this thread. But after reading the whole thread I am going back to the start because i also want to build your circuits.
i am unable to view your diagram in post 26 .Can you help pse

cheers
Flea

Hi and welcome jumping flea
I am not sure why you can't view the image on post 26 it is visible to me. Can you see any of the images on this thread?
Are you going to replicate this circuit.

Regards
Larry

[larryross]

G'Day Larry
It is a cold Thursday I hope you are not effected with the HUGE fire in Colorado I just saw it on the TV News

On my UFU machine I blew i Mosfet and I am going to remove/disconnect one of the strands in my coil this will of course increase the Ohms a bit

I am going to build a new Oscillator using the LM339
I was going to rebuild the Voltage regulator as I had wrong Diodes on it
Some 4 weeks ago I purchased this Voltage regulator and the instructions say max input is 36v My primary is actually 38+v would this be OK I do not know but the data sheet says the adjustable voltage is from 3v to 37v so it needs something like 1.2 to 3v to run it? probably it would handle it The schematic is here

LM317 variable power supply kit DIY + Video Instruction | eBay

If I use this one I could vary the input to increase the oscillator output
I will like you said test with the Coil removed with an appropiate resistor across the load Would I need to remove the diodes before the output to test as these diodes stop the Hot energy

Looking forward to see your machine run

Regards

Ian
If you want to use the circuit you mentioned above, place 2 or 3 diodes in series with the input. Each diode drops .7 to 1.5 volts depending on the diode. This will reduce the voltage without limiting the current flow as a resistor would. Select diodes according to current requirements of the LM317 circuit. Even a 50 Ohm resistor would limit the current to 720 milliamps.

Hope this helps
Regards
Larry

[larryross]

G'Day Larry
It is a cold Thursday I hope you are not effected with the HUGE fire in Colorado I just saw it on the TV News

On my UFU machine I blew i Mosfet and I am going to remove/disconnect one of the strands in my coil this will of course increase the Ohms a bit

I am going to build a new Oscillator using the LM339
I was going to rebuild the Voltage regulator as I had wrong Diodes on it
Some 4 weeks ago I purchased this Voltage regulator and the instructions say max input is 36v My primary is actually 38+v would this be OK I do not know but the data sheet says the adjustable voltage is from 3v to 37v so it needs something like 1.2 to 3v to run it? probably it would handle it The schematic is here

LM317 variable power supply kit DIY + Video Instruction | eBay

If I use this one I could vary the input to increase the oscillator output
I will like you said test with the Coil removed with an appropiate resistor across the load Would I need to remove the diodes before the output to test as these diodes stop the Hot energy

Looking forward to see your machine run

Regards

Ian
If you look at the picture I posted on post #1056 of my new pots and note the small circuit under the new pot on the right, that is my cheat for the LM317 regulator. It is a DC to DC converter that takes up to 40V and has adjustable out put of 1 to 36V. The cost from ebay was $1.80 including shipping. I can't post the link right now, but I would highly recommend it.

Hope this helps
Larry

[larryross]

Larry...

Please read my PD, in my previous post, it reads:



And we all know it is best to just use N-Channels to do the job as one signal generated...

Here is my previous response to member Mikec_ut, - I set bold letters to what we are now, discussing...



This "Anti-Phase" I thought, was a simpler way to show pulsing Coil from both ends...now I see instead, it just brings confusion, and I apologize for it.

To resume this confusion...I will just refer to as "Dual Coil Pulsing" from now on...where the different ways that each one decides to achieve it on their set-up is not the basic issue to discuss...as long as Coil is excited from Positive and Negative at same time-on/frequency and duty cycle...

Regards


Ufopolitics

Thanks UFO
I did read your above mentioned post, but for some reason didn't make the connection. Now I understand.

Regards
Larry

[JohnStone]

Hi John
I have the opto's you talked about on there way. Just cant wait to get the carbon and those opto.s into my circuit.
Dana

Glad you will have them available.
But don't change more than one condition in your setup at same time.

How to proceed:

1. Build unit A (opto driver with FET). Take notes!
2. Test unit A as bottom side switch and and load resistor. Take notes!
3. Test unit A as bottom side switch with coil and get radiant. Take notes!
4. Duplicate unit A as unit B. Take notes!
5. Test unit B as bottom side switch and load resistor. Take notes!
6. Test unit B as bottom side switch and SAME coil and get radiant. Check for identical results A vs. B. Now you have 2 identical functioning units. Take notes!
7. Use unit A & unit B - TESTED circuits - as top and bottom side switches with load resistor. Take notes!
8. Use unit A & unit B - TESTED circuits - as top and bottom side switches with SAME coil. Get radiant again. Take notes!
9. Change other single condition .... Take notes!
10. .....

Less risk MORE fun!

This is an example of how simplicity can be made manageable. You ever ever need to have some notes or alternative building blocks for comparing. In case of malfunction you go back your notes and start at a known functioning point.
It is like stepping up and down a scare. You never will succeed if you try to jump steps of 10 feet hight.
Latin saying: Festina lente! => "make haste slowly"

[prochiro]

Opto's

Hi John
I have the opto's you talked about on there way. Just cant wait to get the carbon and those opto.s into my circuit.
Dana

[JohnStone]

I see it simply as one fet to start of coil, one fet to end of coil. Each on at same time completing the coil charge. Both fets off at same time disconnecting from primary circuit and radiant is lead thru a single wire to a grounded collection device or motor. No radiant goes back to primary circuit to hurt it and the good stuff is now seperate and in our control. Each fet would need its own driver and be close to each fet for exact timing. How simple could it be.
Dana

You got it.

• It's exactly my opinion but added: usage of opto drivers. They are cheaper than beweeping a bagful blown FETs. And you introduce no extra delays because of different signal propagation.
• Apart that first tests recommended with low side FETs only for proper self eduction. Beginners in electronics need some more runway for start.

[wonza]

I've been reading through this too with great interest (starting my 2nd read through it now). It seems I have lots to learn first before attempting my own circuit though. The last time I studied electronics was over 10 years ago and I'm a software engineer in my day job, so I've lots to refresh myself on and catch up on.

[prochiro]

Radiant

I see it simply as one fet to start of coil, one fet to end of coil. Each on at same time completing the coil charge. Both fets off at same time disconnecting from primary circuit and radiant is lead thru a single wire to a grounded collection device or motor. No radiant goes back to primary circuit to hurt it and the good stuff is now seperate and in our control. Each fet would need its own driver and be close to each fet for exact timing. How simple could it be. When you measure what we put in -vs- what we have in radiant, what is really running the motor. From primary coil, motor gets little when our fets are on, motor gets lots when fets are off and the circuit is safe.
Using secondary coils inside or outside core and of copper or carbon only magnifies this transaction. This is where the magna power is.
Dana

[JumpingFlea]

Hi Ufopolitiics
I am new to this thread. But after reading the whole thread I am going back to the start because i also want to build your circuits.
i am unable to view your diagram in post 26 .Can you help pse

cheers
Flea

[JohnStone]

Just another rough calculation

In order to be aware of the relation cuurent/ time I give you this example:

Resistance of the coil:___1Ohm
Inductance:__________1,5mH
Supply voltge:________36V
Current max.:________36A (as Ufo & Larry mentioned)
_______________________________
63,5% of max current - pulse time: R (Ohm)*C (mH) = 1.5ms -> 22.6A (63.5% of 36A)
99,9% of max current - pulse time: R*C*5 = 7.5ms -> 35.96A
________________________________
10Hz corresponds to_100ms full cycle
10Hz / 50% duty_____50ms pulse

The max. useful pulse time is 7.5ms
The not used surplus time is 50ms-7.5ms=42.5ms -> heat only

Required duty cycle for:
@10Hz: constant 7.5ms pulse:7.5% for 100ms fullcycle(10Hz)
q100Hz: constant 7.5ms pulse: 75% for 10ms (100Hz)

Conversely:
At the arrangement above the optimum frequency for 50% duty cycle and full current use is: 66Hz. Let some margin and go to 70Hz (time is somewhat shorter @50% duty cycle)

Please believe in Ufo employing a coil of 1Ohm. If you get lower it is not easy to handle it! In that case you get an extremely high shark fin for current comprising a short circuit to your battery after very short time.
But don't worrys about your battery! You sacrifice your beloved FETs as fuse! It is like burning dollar notes for heating your home.

[thugugly]

Larry,

I also thought that using p fets hi, and n fets low, would also get a counter effect, that's why I originally tried to involve the ir2101 driver, to drive only n fets, hi and low, making the on/off times equal.

I found mad scientists circuit was giving too much interference when using frequency and duty on same 393, that's too me why johnstone's circuit worked better.

Johnstone,

I am going to post a schematic of my circuit but I can't tonight, I wish I was better at uploading pics and vids, but I'm slow.
However, after I let the ir2101 cool down. It works again and so do my n fets. At least when I switch a small tailight inplace of coil (works forever). As soon as I try to switch my coil, it shuts off the ir2101 after about 3-5 seconds, first the hi side fet, then the low side fet.

I do have an oscilliscope now john and I will post some screen shots this weekend, and a better post. The input to the ir2101 ( from your comparetor/driver is more sharkfin then square, but the hi and Lo outputs from the ir2101 are perfect square waves, when I connect coil supply, the hi side input jumps to around 40 volts.

Anyway, thanks for all your help, your in-progress circuit looks like another piece of art. Such professional circuits john, you must design for a living, excellent work.

Thug

[Ufopolitics]

Larry...

UFO
Sorry for being so dense.
Wow I really don't understand how this can be more helpful than 2 paths on n-channel out puts driven with the same signal. Even though you have complimentary signals, when using p and n FETs you have the same output. You even show it in your diagram both off non-conducting and both on and conducting at the same time as the other. Output of each is the same, but just using different signal to accomplish the same end. Much more explanation needed.

the below statement is in error so ignore please
Another thing showing on your diagram in this pulse with sample the n channel path is using more from our side (hot) with 90% on so you will always have a combine 100% on from our side no matter where the duty cycle is set. Duty cycle no longer has any efficiency advantage.

Larry

Larry...

Please read my PD, in my previous post, it reads:

Now, it is also understood that when using N-Channel Mosfet's at Positive-Negative Channel pulsing, there will not be necessary an Anti-Phase signal.

And we all know it is best to just use N-Channels to do the job as one signal generated...

Here is my previous response to member Mikec_ut, - I set bold letters to what we are now, discussing...

The real anti-phase occurs at the low voltage oscillator side, and is in order to excite P or N Channel Mosfet's,where the final task is for both channels carrying Positive and Negative to Coil, to pulse both simultaneously. Therefore and answering your questions.

Both signals stay above zero, (answering question 2 choice) one high, one low to excite the Gates of P and N channels respectively. However, those of you who are deep into electronics know that the same exact final task could be achieved with just N-Channels, which I agree is a much better and inexpensive approach as P-Channels.

This "Anti-Phase" I thought, was a simpler way to show pulsing Coil from both ends...now I see instead, it just brings confusion, and I apologize for it.

To resume this confusion...I will just refer to as "Dual Coil Pulsing" from now on...where the different ways that each one decides to achieve it on their set-up is not the basic issue to discuss...as long as Coil is excited from Positive and Negative at same time-on/frequency and duty cycle...

Regards


Ufopolitics