Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[Slovenia]

Tuned Query

When I said the IKEA didn't need to be tuned, I meant it didn't need to be sanded to be tuned that way. It can be electronically tuned in lieu of sanding it to tune it. The tubes need to be tuned to resonate at 50 Hz in EU & 60 Hz in USA. The tubes are connected to direct current while the ring or plate is connected to neutral.

All the data you seek is covered in this thread.

P.S.: Unless you have a way to tune the IKEA electronically, it might not be the right device for you to replicate. The beer can device would probably be a much better place to start. It's tuned by sanding the can until it resonates at the required frequency.

Please explain this better? You have AC source of variable frequency that you tune to bottle acoustic resonance ?
Thanks !

[RAMSET]

Its all here in this thread..

Griz
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Can you link that IKEA bottle ? or maybe give model number .. I have IKEA here.
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I am working now but the info you ask for is here in these pages ,Actually most of your questions have been covered here??

Please take the time to read the thread!!
Thanks
Chet

[grizli]

The last two pages are dealing with the IKEA device which is an off shoot of the original Serbian device. The original Serbian device had one tube positively charged and a ring on the outside of the tube that was the neutral. We have experimented with the ring heater and it works very well. If you go back many pages, you can see my experiments with the ring. I have a lot of pics of the first days test. Others also posted pics too. The diagram I posted recently with the flat neutral was to demonstrate what I think the IKEA may look like since it has two tubes an inner and outer tube that are both connected to positive charge while they both have to have some sort of neutral assembly interact with them. The bottom of the IKEA has two tubes sanded off at same exact length. So, the most expedient way to utilize both those tubes would be a flat assembly like in the later version of the Serbian boiler with a flat neutral that interacts with both tubes at the same time. Also, the adjustment of the flat neutral would be much easier than any other design.

Copper may be okay to use but our contacts have only mentioned aluminum can and stainless setups and not copper. So, you can experiment with copper if you like.

Also, most of us are utilizing pc generated tones to tune our devices. The IKEA device does not need to be tuned because it is driven by a self tuning electrical mechanism. So, it is probably the better design to use if you know how to tune something like that automatically. That information is proprietary and has not been shared here.

Can you link that IKEA bottle ? or maybe give model number .. I have IKEA here.

But principle of operation is kind of confusing : So metal rink can really self resonate at 400 hz ? and container also according to prof.Savic has to resonate at 50 hz? or thats just consequence of AC 50 hz current

The IKEA device does not need to be tuned because it is driven by a self tuning electrical mechanism.

Please explain this better? You have AC source of variable frequency that you tune to bottle acoustic resonance ?

Thanks !

[Slovenia]

IKEA Device

The last two pages are dealing with the IKEA device which is an off shoot of the original Serbian device. The original Serbian device had one tube positively charged and a ring on the outside of the tube that was the neutral. We have experimented with the ring heater and it works very well. If you go back many pages, you can see my experiments with the ring. I have a lot of pics of the first days test. Others also posted pics too. The diagram I posted recently with the flat neutral was to demonstrate what I think the IKEA may look like since it has two tubes an inner and outer tube that are both connected to positive charge while they both have to have some sort of neutral assembly interact with them. The bottom of the IKEA has two tubes sanded off at same exact length. So, the most expedient way to utilize both those tubes would be a flat assembly like in the later version of the Serbian boiler with a flat neutral that interacts with both tubes at the same time. Also, the adjustment of the flat neutral would be much easier than any other design.

Copper may be okay to use but our contacts have only mentioned aluminum can and stainless setups and not copper. So, you can experiment with copper if you like.

Also, most of us are utilizing pc generated tones to tune our devices. The IKEA device does not need to be tuned because it is driven by a self tuning electrical mechanism. So, it is probably the better design to use if you know how to tune something like that automatically. That information is proprietary and has not been shared here.

Hi all!

I have one question about sonic heater device:

AS we can see on last two pages there are drawings from prof. Savic.


Device is made from two parts, top "plate" that has to acousticly resonate at 400 Hz that is harmonic of 50 Hz

What about bottom part, or water container , does it also have to acousticly resonate at some frequency or not ?



Why not using copper ? Copper plate is soft material , using hammer it can be manually shaped in any form you lake (if you have some skill) and by hitting it you can tune frequency you like (hitting make plate less thick)

Also can PC MIC and spectral analysis software be used to find 400 hz acoustic resonance? Material acoustic resonance frequency is NOT affected by medium around it .. if you make metal tube hang and you hit it it will resonate at the same frequency as when you firmly grab tube in hand, for example

Thank You!

[grizli]

Hi all!

I have one question about sonic heater device:

AS we can see on last two pages there are drawings from prof. Savic.


Device is made from two parts, top "plate" that has to acousticly resonate at 400 Hz that is harmonic of 50 Hz

What about bottom part, or water container , does it also have to acousticly resonate at some frequency or not ?



Why not using copper ? Copper plate is soft material , using hammer it can be manually shaped in any form you lake (if you have some skill) and by hitting it you can tune frequency you like (hitting make plate less thick)

Also can PC MIC and spectral analysis software be used to find 400 hz acoustic resonance? Material acoustic resonance frequency is NOT affected by medium around it .. if you make metal tube hang and you hit it it will resonate at the same frequency as when you firmly grab tube in hand, for example

Thank You!

[RAMSET]

Great big smile!!

Rob
What a big surprise!!
I am having one of those days that we dream of!!

Speaking to all kinds of new friends and old ones too!!

Welcome, Most dear and trusted friend!!

Chet

[Slovenia]

Welcome

Welcome to Energetic. Nice to have you with us Rob.

Hi Everyone,

Chet asked me a little while ago to take a look at this thread and help you guys out if I can. I have had a brief look at what your trying to do and have put up some options for you to pursue if you choose too.

I have been taking some time off lately, mind not so clear and working poorly but I will have a bit of time over the Christmas period to study this sonic boiler and I will see if I can help.

In the meantime I have put up some information that applies to what your trying to do over in this thread, seems everyone with a heat source wants to know what to do with it:

Phoenix Turbine Builders Club Forum

Rob Mason

[evolvingape]

Hello

Hi Everyone,

Chet asked me a little while ago to take a look at this thread and help you guys out if I can. I have had a brief look at what your trying to do and have put up some options for you to pursue if you choose too.

I have been taking some time off lately, mind not so clear and working poorly but I will have a bit of time over the Christmas period to study this sonic boiler and I will see if I can help.

In the meantime I have put up some information that applies to what your trying to do over in this thread, seems everyone with a heat source wants to know what to do with it:

Phoenix Turbine Builders Club Forum

Rob Mason

[Duncan]

[wrtner]

Paul,
We have never worked in Fahrenheit here
I must admit I don't quite understand the "K" ??

Thanks
Chet

Sorry, folks. I've got this wrong. I read degrees F when you said degrees K,
which is fine since we are looking at a temperature difference, and effectively
degrees Kelvin and degrees Centigrade amount to the same thing.

I thought you were mixing European and American units by using litres
with degrees Fahrenheit, (which could be done if you work out what
your rather peculair specific heat is going to be).

Sorry, again.

Paul-R

[Slovenia]

Great Job!!

You are doing a great job Daemonbart!!! Thanks for sharing with us.

Hi,

sometimes we make simple things difficult, C or K just like Steve says. When presenting change in temp atleast here we use K.

I can not make tests with no loss in practical, real running tests.

Value for no loss is 1,16 Wh / litre-degr C or K Temp rise, but the interesting thing here will be comparing to standard heater element in exactly the same boiler, thats what I did. That is the closest I can get to true cop right now.

And I can say this is a beauty, but more will come if I can find a way to work with this not only in my spare time. I see proof of cop that almost scares me.


I am the worst business man ever walked on earth and refrigerator is close to emty , also I would like to share more but I think people with the cash will steal it from us.
So for now I have shared what I think you need for experimenting this to a working device, I have shared more with some that have signed agreement of silence.

And remember this was given to us from Slovenia and Savic!

I think many mix understanding into that 10 Wh must be 10W running for one h, that is of course 10 Wh also.
Still if I have more load I can use my 10 Wh in any length of time.
In my case I connect 1kW or 1000W for 5 minutes, that will be = 1000/60 = 16,6 Wh consumed every minute in 5 minutes. So total consumption = 16,6 x 5 = 83Wh

Kind rgds D

[Slovenia]

Forwarded Message from (PhysicsProf)

I forwarded message to Mr. "C".

Professor Savic Please Grab hold of that helping hand!!
Chet

[RAMSET]

A beautiful Symphony ....

We are making some wonderful music here.....

Professor Savic Please Grab hold of that helping hand!!

@DB
Our life situations have brought us together here ,Yes they are hard

And yes it can be scary......... Grab hold of that hand.........

Chet

[Cherryman]

Cherryman, this is fantastic 3d drawing...is it wings 3d...really love it

Thanks again

Tnx,

Appreciating both of your compliments about my drawing skills, I do have to say it is not that hard, It's more about having the right tools (software) in this case. I Use Rhino 3D for this kind of fast "sketching"
So credit, where the credit goes!

Just glad I can be of some assistance.

And last, but not least:

I wish Branislav and family all the best.

Peace.

[daemonbart]

Wonderful!

This is true love

Please P. Savic, use this hand from God!

Kind rgds D

Prof. Savic -- there are missionaries and members of my church "family" in Serbia who might be able to help with your son so he can get better medical attention. If you agree, please contact me ([email protected]) or email directly to:

Bulgaria Sofia Mission Contact Information
Mission Office
Bulgaria Sofia Mission
yl. Marin Drinov No. 21
1504 Sofia, Bulgaria
[email protected]

Tell them that Dr. Steven Jones, Emeritus Professor at Brigham Young University suggested that you contact them urgently. I will make the contact if you wish.