Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect

[Shadesz]

If I recall correctly someone @ OU posted similar results. I am searching for it now. Can't find it.

Here is another post of Rod's with a different set up. MuMetal core (compared to the iron core). Still showing increase in speed over no coil, in most cases.

No load No coil and no side magnets 4106 RPM
No load with coil and no side magnets 4099 RPM
Full load 190 m AMPS at 6 volts 4145 RPM very quick acceleration.
Now here the bit that has got me in a spin. short the coil 4088 RPM I got no idea why.
It will require more testing and double checking so this may be wrong. But looks like it.

I have many ideas in my mind to replicate/ improve the results. It will be a while until I can bring them to fruition. I have much to learn/engineer before I start the specific building(s) I have in mind.

[Matthew Jones]

I got ya.

I misread it.

Well thats good. Is he the only one?

Matt

[Shadesz]

Reread the first link and look at the table a little more closely.

No generator coil.... 4034 rpm
Non loaded gen coil.... 4021 rpm
Loaded gen coil (1.63 watts out)... 4054 rpm
Loaded gen coil (1.7 watts out)... 4059 rpm

Also note that the input was digitally controlled and was the same across all 4 tests.

Per the numbers, Rod has been able to achieve a 0.6% INCREASE in speed when loading a generator coil compared to having no generator coil in place at all while keeping the input power the same.

I think a lot of people missed that when he posted it. But the implications are HUGE!

[Matthew Jones]

Not always true if you have the right conditions....

http://www.energeticforum.com/151372-post1175.html

http://www.energeticforum.com/152066-post1205.html

I have read al that but he does not give the baseline. For instance No Gen coil 5000 rpm. Gen with coil with load 4000 rpm. Gen coils shorted out ????

Is it going to be faster than with no gen coil? We don't know because no one give a baseline.

Read This

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/8980-confirming-delayed-lenz-effect.html#post154380

I wrote the baseline in the last sentence of text.

This test clearly shows no matter what the gen coil slows you down, and short circuit or NO resistance load, is the best way to pull power from the gen coil. But there is a comfortable middle if done correctly.

Still no one has shown acceleration with the gen coil beyond the "No Gen Coil".
Because we never get baseline.

If the motor were to run to run 5000 rpm without a Gen coil then you add one with a short circuit and the motor ran 5600 rpms then I would say using the coil in shorted position was a benefit.
You follow me?

Matt

[Shadesz]

Ya but nothing in the way will give you better acceleration. Am I wrong?

Matt

Not always true if you have the right conditions....

http://www.energeticforum.com/151372-post1175.html

http://www.energeticforum.com/152066-post1205.html

[Matthew Jones]

But why should you use switches to short? Constant shorting will do better.
(will give you better acceleration)

Ya but nothing in the way will give you better acceleration. Am I wrong?

Matt

[Overunityguide]

Could it be understood that,
Excellent demonstration videos... although it doesn't
appear any switches are implemented on your HV coils
for shorting them when the rotor magnets are centered.

Thank you geotron,

But why should you use switches to short? Constant shorting will do better.
(will give you better acceleration)

Kind Regards, Overunityguide
Thane C Heins Replication, Confirming the Negative Lenz Effect - YouTube

[Allen Burgess]

Lidmotor's Maggie.

Does this video of Lidmotor's help cofirm the Lenz Delay Propulsion effect?


Light Multiplier---Amp draw measurements.ASF - YouTube

synchro
Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 366

Lidmotor's light multiplier

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The Lenz propulsion theory may help explain Lidmotor's amp draw drop effect demonstrated in this video. Lidmotor draws less input power when he's driving Maggie! I believe the spinner is going faster then the induced pole shift of the output coil and catching a forward shove instead of a repulsive drag. The spinner should get twice the propulsion inside the coil from both poles, one on each side.


YouTube - Light Multiplier---Amp draw measurements.ASF!

P.S. Spiral Knot spinner hit 32.2K R.P.M.

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Last edited by synchro : 09-21-2010 at 11:48 PM.

Could it be understood that,
"When the N-S poles frequency on a hi-voltage coil from the
generator wheel reaches above the threshold of how quickly
the coil can dissipate its stored potential gained from the
rotor, a backflow of energy takes place in favor of
powering the motor."

Wouldn't it go in saying that by surrounding the rotor with
enough impedance that it would reduce the required speed at
which the regenerative acceleration would take place?

Excellent demonstration videos... although it doesn't
appear any switches are implemented on your HV coils
for shorting them when the rotor magnets are centered.

[vrand]

Yes, yes, yes, yes, ... Yes!



/Hob

is right!

Looking forward to seeing how this design progresses!

Cheers Mike

[Overunityguide]

do you have a wattage reading with out the coil bolted to the motor?

there is more to compare drag than just a load I think.

great Video

@toranarod Thanks, Yes I have measured it yesterday,

It runs on 66 Watts Without the rotor connected, so the shaft is turning only.
And it runs on 68 / 69 Watts with the rotor connected, but without the generator coil.

With Kind Regards, Overunityguide
Thane C Heins Replication, Confirming the Negative Lenz Effect - YouTube

[MonsieurM]

Different materials, different rpm create different sound and vibration

Sound is a mechanical wave that is an oscillation of pressure transmitted through a solid, liquid, or gas, composed of frequencies within the range of hearing and of a level sufficiently strong to be heard, or the sensation stimulated in organs of hearing by such vibrations.

Vibration refers to mechanical oscillations about an equilibrium point. The oscillations may be periodic such as the motion of a pendulum or random such as the movement of a tire on a gravel road.

Vibration is occasionally "desirable". For example the motion of a tuning fork, the reed in a woodwind instrument or harmonica, or the cone of a loudspeaker is desirable vibration, necessary for the correct functioning of the various devices.

[toranarod]

Hi you all,

Please view my most recent video about the Negative Lenz / Delayed Lenz Effect Experiment.
It is actually a Replication of the Thane C Heins Regenerative Accelerating Generator:

overunityguide's Channel - YouTube

My results are the same as Thane C Heins. In my opinion this is what we all are looking for.

With Kind Regards,

Overunityguide

do you have a wattage reading with out the coil bolted to the motor?

there is more to compare drag than just a load I think.

great Video

[Overunityguide]

Interesting videos guys. Thanks for posting them. I watched the videos and I don't recall hearing anyone say what core material was used for the coils. In Overunityguide's video, it looked like a steel bolt. Overunityguide, please check if the core heats up. I would think this arrangement would create very high eddie currents in the core causing it to heat up.

Does Heins state what he is using for a core in his coils anywhere?

Nilerob, what are you using for a core in your high impedence coil?

I am curious if the same effect occurs if using different core material like ferrite rod, powdered iron or magnetite core.

Thanks

Alex

@hherby

Hello Alex,

I am using a normal steel bolt as a core, and yes it is warming up after running the generator for a while... But it is not becoming hot. So there are active eddy currents in my coil... But for now the effect is there.

I agree that using other materials as a core would be better, but for now it is just soft steel.

Kind Regards, Overunityguide

[nilrehob]

Here is the tests I did to see if one legs of the AC was responsible and where how to pull power for the greatest gain.


You can see clearly your best results are countered in one way or the other. You get the fastest speed from shorting the coil but you get no power.
You can grab leg and speed it up but you get LOW current.
Or you can grab current and cause a reduction in speed.

I am sure though the effect of speeding it up while producing small currents can be enhanced to provide more current.


I forgot the coil specs..... 840 ft 30 awg, 86.6 ohms of resistance. Iron 1/4 bolt for core. Also with NO GEN COIL the motor did 5250 rpm's

I also have more tests with resistance, post them later.

Matt

Thats interesting, ill look into it when i get another time-slot for it.

/Hob