Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter "Replications"

[Farmhand]

Hey dR, I am about to start putting together this new circuit for pulsing coils, it will double the voltage of the source or nearly double it into a big cap as a higher voltage supply for the coils to work from. It'll require at least one isolated "floating" driver I think not sure yet. Hopefully not. I'll need two PWM IC's. This circuit is still theoretical. I'll post some parts details as I go. It should be good for driving Tesla coils.

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Anyway while I was stripping an old project from the solderless boards to make room I thought I would show you a picture of the mosfet driver setup I was using and mainly the 2 Kohm resistor between the base and emitter on the PNP transister that drains the mosfet gate, the resister there drains the base of the two drive transistors. The driver works like this drawing below but the resistor is not drawn there.

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And picture tells a thousand words.

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I'm fairly sure they were working good like that, but I'll be testing them again very shortly anyway.

Here's a video of some results I got just fooling about.
Demo 2-1.wmv - YouTube

Cheers

[Farmhand]

The magnifying transmitter has two coils on the output, one mounted above the other, having studied a few of his coils I think the trick is to have these coils wound opposite to each other like bucking coils.

Take a look at the coils in the model T buzz box COIL DOCTOR - Coil Documents and Diagrams These two output coils are wound opposite to each other The drawing on Naudins web site could be wrong The Tesla Magnifying Transmitter The L1 needs to be wound opposing each half and the coupling should be on both halves. Do this and you may get better results.

Just a suggestion.

Hmm there could be something to that, but I'm going by the actual patent of Tesla's.
In the drawing it can clearly be seen that all three coils are wound the same way in the normal winding direction.

I don't go by Naudins drawings.
I go by Nikola's.
ELECTRICAL ENERGY - Google Patents

I'm not sure it would work the same as a bucking coils, not that I've checked that out yet but I will of course. Sounds interesting.

Cheers

[mbrownn]

Hmm there could be something to that, but I'm going by the actual patent of Tesla's.
In the drawing it can clearly be seen that all three coils are wound the same way in the normal winding direction.

I don't go by Naudins drawings.
I go by Nikola's.
ELECTRICAL ENERGY - Google Patents

I'm not sure it would work the same as a bucking coils, not that I've checked that out yet but I will of course. Sounds interesting.

Cheers

I agree with your sentiment but you know things are hidden or deliberately changed in patents so as to protect the operation of a device.

I have started experimenting with a bucking coil and getting interesting results. A radiant spike can be collected with no other inductive effects and the spike appears a little bigger. I could be wrong but is this a magnifying effect?

[Farmhand]

I agree with your sentiment but you know things are hidden or deliberately changed in patents so as to protect the operation of a device.

I have started experimenting with a bucking coil and getting interesting results. A radiant spike can be collected with no other inductive effects and the spike appears a little bigger. I could be wrong but is this a magnifying effect?

It's funny you should mention it, because now I think of it, when I was winding my converter all different ways I wound it this one way so that I think the coils were opposite wound but pulsed in the same direction or something, but the thing was that there appeared to be no input, I connected the power and the current meter needle twitched is all. I could tell it was working but everything was opposed or cancelling. I was annoyed at the time and didn't bother to see if there was any output because there was no input. I just unwound it and tried a different way untill i got what I wanted.

Who knows. I won't discount the possibilities, in fact I double checked the patent and the direction of the primary seems dubious. But mine works, kind of, so I'm gonna guess all "regular" way wound.

And I thought about the receiver already before and I imagined that if it is wound the same way, then if they were joined at the bottom they would form a continuous winding from the top of one to the top of the other, with the join in the middle (like a Don Smith Center Tapped Secondary). Just for visualisation purposes. So I think the receiver is wound regular way also.

Cheers

[dR-Green]

There are many other timer designs that are much better than the 555. For a simple, accurate, high speed one, look at the one farmhand often uses which is based off an inverter chip or NAND/NOR chip. I myself have been using an Arduino microcontroller recently to generate a clock.

There are also two circuits posted earlier in this thread, one by Farmhand and one by me, that use single IC PWM drivers to produce stable two phase clocks. One of the chips can do up to 400khz and another can do up to 1mhz.

If you have or get an arduino let me know and I'll paste the code I am currently using. It's super easy to use and extremely flexible as it is completely programmable.

Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear on explaining what's going on with the opto-isolator. The 555 is working fine, nice square wave output (in fact it's a bit of a "h" wave), but on the output of the opto-isolator that square wave has become a triangle at higher frequencies. So something is too slow for the job, either the emitter or the sensor. It's not a clear 0 or 1 signal and it all blends together until it just stays on when you reach a frequency that's too high for it.

The darlington pair worked and I've now found that the maximum the opto will function at is about 16kHz while still giving an output from the transformer. Anything higher than that and the circuit is stuck on.

To explain a bit about what I'm trying to do here, I'm basically looking for a high voltage source that I can power the coils with. So the 555 circuit at the moment is for switching a flyback transformer, or an ignition coil I intend to buy, or my own transformers once I figure out how to make a HV transformer. I'm not attempting to pulse the Tesla coils directly at the moment.

But I don't know where all this will go so I could give the other circuits a try at some point. I'd also like to know if I can adjust the pulse width of the 555 because that could be handy Thanks for the suggestions. I might also look in to the buffer suggestion

[c_henriques]

hello,
first of all, sorry for my english, this is not my mother tongue
Recently I started studying the technologies of Tesla, and still not understand much about it

my goal is free energy

I have followed the normal rules of tesla coils' builders

and I understand the principles of the LC resonance circuit
This video is from my tesla coil:

cHenriques64's Channel - YouTube

I understand the principles of radio frequency
with another similar coil, I get to build a circuit transmission wirless energy, but I think all I do is based on ordinary radio communications, and anything with Tesla waves or scalar waves

I think there is confusion between these two things, and who follows the normal with procedures may not achieve the production of these waves faster than the speed of light and energy harvesting

Like Smith, kapandze, and others we need to pay attention to certain details make the difference in the production of these effects instead of the common Hertzian waves

because there is little literature on this, I'd love to talk about these details, or indicate me where I can find these details

How do I set my coils for free energy?
Vladimir makes it look very easy, but until now has not had an energy gain with tesla coils, will need some resonance frequency in particular? as the Schuman Resonance?

thanks,
very grateful to give me some help

[dR-Green]

Thanks for the info Farmhand. I'll have to take a closer look at all this. I get the principle of what you're talking about but this 555 circuit is my most advanced electronics undertaking yet so I'm only slowly getting to understand things

Also thanks for the coil tuning info, it does make sense. I also came across this video about finding the resonant frequencies of coils before, I'll have to watch it again but I think it's along the same lines

Tuning A Tesla Coil with an Oscilloscope - YouTube

I've been doing (mainly building) things according to Patent 645576 and this video

Eric Dollard Peter Lindemann Tesla's Longitudinal Electricity - YouTube

NIKOLA TESLA - Google Patents

A magnifyer setup is a bit different in that it has "close" coupling beween coil "C" and coil "A" rather than "loose" coupling and a resonator coil "B" in series with Coil "A".

I noticed that helical coil in the diagram but I haven't actually looked at that patent until now, interesting Is it a helical coil in series with a flat spiral coil? I'm going to have to do a bit of reading.

I haven't really done any testing yet anyway. I've been fiddling with the 555 circuit so I've got a SLIGHTLY better idea of how it works now in terms of controlling the frequency and current draw etc, and I've been working on the safety side of things seeing as before it was non-existent with unknown voltages high enough to jump a gap going through bare metal on a cluttered desk with crocodile leads going everywhere The spark gap is now inside a box and the circuit neatly soldered with handy terminals for connections so the whole thing hasn't really been put to the test yet. I'll post some pics and check out that video of yours now, thanks

[dR-Green]

The circuit. It has 2 separate inputs allowing the output side of the opto-isolator to run off either the same or a different power source with a removable protection diode, 1k resistors with some clip things on the circuit board so they're all also changeable, 10k pots, and terminals on the rear left going to and from the primary of the coil/transformer to be pulsed. The opto-isolator can also be bypassed, and there are various "test points" placed so the scope probe can easily be connected. I also put in a neon bulb for good measure in case anything too big happens to come backwards, but I have no idea if I'll need that or not.



And the spark gap box, missing some holes for the cables at the moment.

[dR-Green]

I have followed the normal rules of tesla coils' builders

Like Smith, kapandze, and others we need to pay attention to certain details make the difference in the production of these effects instead of the common Hertzian waves

How do I set my coils for free energy?
Vladimir makes it look very easy, but until now has not had an energy gain with tesla coils, will need some resonance frequency in particular? as the Schuman Resonance?

Hi c henriques. You said it yourself I personally don't believe that most of the coils being used or the way they're being used these days are really what Tesla had in mind. Lightning bolts and impressive light shows for example represents a loss of energy or energy escaping from the system. But most people seem to be using the coils for these light shows. So if these are the "normal rules" you followed then I don't think they'll be much use here

As far as I understand it, yes, you need to tune your coils to a particular frequency/source of energy or resonance otherwise you CAN'T get any gain of any sort because the system physically won't allow it to happen.

In the same way you can't get more volume out of a violin string if the violin box itself doesn't resonate within a certain range, which is relative to the string. The waves will all bounce off randomly and interfere with each other and cancel each other, and make all kinds of a mess of frequencies, and you might even end up with a quieter sound than the string can make in the first place. So we need to think of similar principles here I think.

I'd recommend some of Peter Lindemann's videos, and Eric Dollard if you haven't watched them already.

Eric Dollard Peter Lindemann Tesla's Longitudinal Electricity - YouTube

Free Energy, Products, Books and DVDs

[dR-Green]

Well, I have some observations. Running the circuit off 6v causes the charging battery of the SSG to rise in voltage as I said before and I confirmed again just now. But I then switched to 9v. The motor is now WIRELESSLY speeding up when the circuit is activated, when before it needed the earth connection to have that effect Very strange and it looks like I'm now going to have to rearrange things to stop one thing from affecting the other.

Something I've been intending to try though is leaving the charging battery connected, but nothing on the input of the SSG, and then see what happens to the charging battery when this other circuit is activated, and try the same thing with the earth connection. We'll see where this goes Totally in the opposite direction of what I was planning to do

[Farmhand]

Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear on explaining what's going on with the opto-isolator. The 555 is working fine, nice square wave output (in fact it's a bit of a "h" wave), but on the output of the opto-isolator that square wave has become a triangle at higher frequencies. So something is too slow for the job, either the emitter or the sensor. It's not a clear 0 or 1 signal and it all blends together until it just stays on when you reach a frequency that's too high for it.

The darlington pair worked and I've now found that the maximum the opto will function at is about 16kHz while still giving an output from the transformer. Anything higher than that and the circuit is stuck on.

To explain a bit about what I'm trying to do here, I'm basically looking for a high voltage source that I can power the coils with. So the 555 circuit at the moment is for switching a flyback transformer, or an ignition coil I intend to buy, or my own transformers once I figure out how to make a HV transformer. I'm not attempting to pulse the Tesla coils directly at the moment.

But I don't know where all this will go so I could give the other circuits a try at some point. I'd also like to know if I can adjust the pulse width of the 555 because that could be handy Thanks for the suggestions. I might also look in to the buffer suggestion

Yes you're right opto's are slow, it sounds like you have a fairly good handle on it. I see now, yes using the 555 to drive the flyback to charge the caps for the spark gap. I was confused my bad.

Here's another video showing the resonant rise in the waveform and some fluro lighting also playing with the dark patch in the tube.
Resonant Rise and Fluro Dark spot.wmv - YouTube

That stuff happening with the SSG sounds cool. Good stuff.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

hello,
first of all, sorry for my english, this is not my mother tongue
Recently I started studying the technologies of Tesla, and still not understand much about it

my goal is free energy

I have followed the normal rules of tesla coils' builders

and I understand the principles of the LC resonance circuit
This video is from my tesla coil:

cHenriques64's Channel - YouTube

I understand the principles of radio frequency
with another similar coil, I get to build a circuit transmission wirless energy, but I think all I do is based on ordinary radio communications, and anything with Tesla waves or scalar waves

I think there is confusion between these two things, and who follows the normal with procedures may not achieve the production of these waves faster than the speed of light and energy harvesting

Like Smith, kapandze, and others we need to pay attention to certain details make the difference in the production of these effects instead of the common Hertzian waves

because there is little literature on this, I'd love to talk about these details, or indicate me where I can find these details

How do I set my coils for free energy?
Vladimir makes it look very easy, but until now has not had an energy gain with tesla coils, will need some resonance frequency in particular? as the Schuman Resonance?

thanks,
very grateful to give me some help

Hi c_henriques, we are all only learning and discovering so we will have to move forward by helping each other. You're coils look to have a good output.
does you're receiver coil have a coil "C" to transform the voltage back down from the transmitter ? I'm not sure that there will be any "automatic" free energy or power gains. I can get a big "voltage" gain out of the FWBR on the output coil "C" of the receiver but I don't think I have any energy gain. Yet

For example I pulse the primary of the transmitter with 12 volts and I can see up to 70 - 80 volts open circuit at the receiver FWBR after step down but when I load the output and draw some amperage the voltage drops to swap volts for amps. I don't take any real measurements yet.

Strange things happen and the input sometimes drops with load sometimes it increases .

I didn't get a look at you're coils because it was dark but I would be interested to see them.

So far it is difficult to maintain resonance over time without readjustment which is a problem I need to find a solution to.

Cheers

[7imix]

Mbrownn -- the bifilar coil is from tesla's patent "coil for electro-magnets". When a coil is wound bifilar, the inductance of the coil is zero -- so electrically, a bifilar coil looks like a capacitor to a circuit. While this may indeed be intentionally left out of the magnifying transmitter patent, I believe the extra coil has the effect of raising the inductance of the secondary to the required high level to acheive a lower resonant frequency. A bifilar coil, adding only capacitance and not inductance to the secondary circuit, would instead increase the resonant frequency to a very high level.

Dr-green: if you can find a buffer chip with high enough voltage ratings you can put it after the optocoupler to sharpen the pulse. You are right that the optos you are using are far too slow. You can look for opts that are rated for higher frequencies or try a "digital isolator" instead of an opto, they are much faster. However, if you are going to mail order parts, I highly recommend building the circuit that farmhand posted. It is cheap and very tough and sidesteps a lot of the problems we are talking about.

[7imix]

C-henriques: if you would like to measure the elecromagnetic and electrostatic fields generated by a circuit, you could get a meter like one of these:

Trifield® Meter

[c_henriques]

thanks for your help was really useful

Hi c henriques. You said it yourself I personally don't believe that most of the coils being used or the way they're being used these days are really what Tesla had in mind. Lightning bolts and impressive light shows for example represents a loss of energy or energy escaping from the system. But most people seem to be using the coils for these light shows. So if these are the "normal rules" you followed then I don't think they'll be much use here

As far as I understand it, yes, you need to tune your coils to a particular frequency/source of energy or resonance otherwise you CAN'T get any gain of any sort because the system physically won't allow it to happen.

In the same way you can't get more volume out of a violin string if the violin box itself doesn't resonate within a certain range, which is relative to the string. The waves will all bounce off randomly and interfere with each other and cancel each other, and make all kinds of a mess of frequencies, and you might even end up with a quieter sound than the string can make in the first place. So we need to think of similar principles here I think.

I'd recommend some of Peter Lindemann's videos, and Eric Dollard if you haven't watched them already.

Eric Dollard Peter Lindemann Tesla's Longitudinal Electricity - YouTube

Free Energy, Products, Books and DVDs

Dr-Green
thanks for the help, the site and video, had already seen a part of the video but not all, now that I noticed that has seen much useful information I'll watch again
I know the work of Lindemann and in fact are very credible

Hi c_henriques, we are all only learning and discovering so we will have to move forward by helping each other. You're coils look to have a good output.
does you're receiver coil have a coil "C" to transform the voltage back down from the transmitter ? I'm not sure that there will be any "automatic" free energy or power gains. I can get a big "voltage" gain out of the FWBR on the output coil "C" of the receiver but I don't think I have any energy gain. Yet

For example I pulse the primary of the transmitter with 12 volts and I can see up to 70 - 80 volts open circuit at the receiver FWBR after step down but when I load the output and draw some amperage the voltage drops to swap volts for amps. I don't take any real measurements yet.

Strange things happen and the input sometimes drops with load sometimes it increases .

I didn't get a look at you're coils because it was dark but I would be interested to see them.

So far it is difficult to maintain resonance over time without readjustment which is a problem I need to find a solution to.

Cheers

yeah, when I transmit energy without wires with the two coils, have another receiver in winding down the voltage, but is not yet in full wave resonance because this winding with few turns not tied to a single capacitor is only connected to load

I know it's a mistake, but I'll get a capacitor and put on the receiver

but I'll make more videos, more percetiveis with schemes of my Tesla Coils and wirless power transmision

when I post on youtube I'll post the links here

Yours sincerely,
Henriques