The Electric Field.

[Dave45]

Another on from the side, Ive noticed the stronger the field the smaller the line diameter, Im going to remove some of the mags and see if I can get better pics. hmm didnt seem to take I'll try again.

[Dave45]

Try one more time

[mk1]

@all

I like the Maxwell drawing it clearly shows , the South and North pole Magnetic in nature Iron , and East and West diamagnetic copper (electric). 4 current .

http://wv0auw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1ptI23amjMSyh1KnPIcc_IRVAjgGpSKtZrk7Bm1O5n8sjoAwd3jSaHubRNpMsBi5Qi8KO6r8kt1QUHflVCWeQOKw/Russell%20Diagram.jpg?psid=1

Mark

[gravityblock]

Where's the electric field in a PM? Nobody has ever been able to detect one, or prove there is one. Take your grass seed in oil and see if you can detect an electric field from a PM. You won't find one!

GB

[Jbignes5]

Yeah I see something already.

Try one more time

Look at the curved lines. Those are the magnetic lines. But why are they bulging out in the middle. Shouldn't they short out in the ferrous material??? This is what leads me to believe there is something holding them out. This is where I insert the electric lines coming radially out of the magnets from it's planes. Meaning that you should stick imaginary pixie sticks through the magnets from the sides. The neutral area is not so neutral. Hmmm...

So is the geometric shape from the single magnet because of pressure or does that change as you bring the magnet away from the screen?

[gravityblock]

Look at the curved lines. Those are the magnetic lines. But why are they bulging out in the middle. Shouldn't they short out in the ferrous material??? This is what leads me to believe there is something holding them out. This is where I insert the electric lines coming radially out of the magnets from it's planes. Meaning that you should stick imaginary pixie sticks through the magnets from the sides. The neutral area is not so neutral. Hmmm...

So is the geometric shape from the single magnet because of pressure or does that change as you bring the magnet away from the screen?

The H-Field runs from pole to pole, and do not form closed loops like the B-Field. The H-field, therefore, is analogous to the electric field E which starts at a positive charge and ends at a negative charge. You're seeing the H-Field and not the electric field. I can't believe you guys are confusing a magnetic field with an electric field, or trying to infer electric lines from a magnetic field.

GB

[Jbignes5]

No from my descriptions and not what you think is going on.

Electric lines do not propagate from negative to positive or anything else for that matter. The electric field lines up from the center of a mass to the outside and beyond. It does not loop it is pretty much straight. These are longitudinal in nature. So take a circle like I showed in my diagram and put pins in it, going from the outside to the center of it's mass. Now lay on the magnetic lines which loop around the mass. When we say 90 degrees we mean that when they intersect it will always be 90 degrees difference between a magnetic line and an electric line. In this case I believe you can not have one without the other. It is just weather the magnetic line is close to the source or allowed to spread out into many layers or bubbles as it would be.

The reason we started the 90 degree thing is because when you make a coil the wire exiting the coil can be laid on a 90 degree angle from the rest of the coils direction and it will not interfere with the coils magnetic field. That is one example of the 90 degree rule.
here is the picture again:



This is radiative matter at it's best. Radiative matter does not loop in the sense of a magnetic field. It is entirely different and if you need to know more about it then I suggest you look at the elders who have described the mechanics behind it. Tesla and his mentor knew this because they did experiment and not theorize and hold that theory as facts. We learn by doing not by sitting here and thinking we are always right. Thats what I am trying to show here is that we will never see the electric field if we never look for it. Even if all we can see is the results of that field then we still can infer it's operation based on the many many other references to experiments that were done way before our time.

Oh wait what about static electricity. Basically that is the electric field unorganized. Many of the machines that create static electricity do it through surface charges. Well how do the surface charges get to the desired collecting container. Some have direct contact while others do not have contact at all. I have many many devices that collect the static charges as they operate with no contact from the collection portions.

There is so much that we refuse to look at and that is why you will never see the electric field even though it is an integral part of the magnetic field. I guess you assume the magnetic lines hold themselves up? I am also guessing you haven't really sat down and looked at a Tesla coil in action. The corona effect is telling a lot about this action of the electric field one for which you seem to ignore..

[gravityblock]

Jbig,

The electric field points from regions of high potential to areas of low potential, and this can be seen from a discharge of lightning (from cloud to cloud, or from cloud to ground), a discharge between two electrodes with a spark gap such as in the kelvin water dropper generator, etc. Below is an llustration of the electric field surrounding a positive (red) and a negative (blue) charge.

GB

[gravityblock]

This is radiative matter at it's best. Radiative matter does not loop in the sense of a magnetic field. It is entirely different and if you need to know more about it then I suggest you look at the elders who have described the mechanics behind it. Tesla and his mentor knew this because they did experiment and not theorize and hold that theory as facts. We learn by doing not by sitting here and thinking we are always right. Thats what I am trying to show here is that we will never see the electric field if we never look for it. Even if all we can see is the results of that field then we still can infer it's operation based on the many many other references to experiments that were done way before our time.

You're confusing radioactivity with the electric field now. A charge, however much energy it may have, must be of a limited amount of energy. If it's radiating, then it's losing it's energy. It is in a sense returning from deformed space (matter) to primordial space whose wave energy goes on decreasing until the moment of entropy is reached. The natural forces are pinned into the structure of matter (stationary waves) at discontinuities, thus they do not radiate and lose their energy when stable. You're diagram is showing matter which is unstable and returning to primordial space. This is the definition of energy which I previously posted. Energy is the transition from deformed space to primordial space. Now, please tell me how this PM is radioactive, then please tell me how you can infer electric lines from the magnetic field through this radioactivity.

GB

[Dave45]

I'll try to get more pics tonight, just on my lunch hour.

What has peaked my interest is there are three lines, at first I thought maybe it was the phosphorous but as I move the mag across the screen the lines do not change color.
And they are in a particular pattern, as I move the mag in and out from the screen I can isolate the pattern down to 3 then 6 still looking for the 9. Tesla's 3,6,9
Later
David

I know we have N and S but what is the other line of force, it runs in the same direction.

[Jbignes5]

ok so you are not taking the network aspect...

You're confusing radioactivity with the electric field now. A charge, however much energy it may have, must be of a limited amount of energy. If it's radiating, then it's losing it's energy. It is in a sense returning from deformed space (matter) to primordial space whose wave energy goes on decreasing until the moment of entropy is reached. The natural forces are pinned into the structure of matter (stationary waves) at discontinuities, thus they do not radiate and lose their energy when stable. You're diagram is showing matter which is unstable and returning to primordial space. This is the definition of energy which I previously posted. Energy is the transition from deformed space to primordial space. Now, please tell me how this PM is radioactive, then please tell me how you can infer electric lines from the magnetic field through this radioactivity.

GB

Did you not see the in and out of the lines?????? Everything is radiative. If that wasn't the case then how does metal or anything for that matter heat up from an external source. The source is the source. It only effects the network of these conductors of the electric field. But it has to be a very close connection because matter can be pumped up so to speak. As matter gets pumped up or pumped dry it transforms into other physical forms like liquid and gas.

Speaking of the source lets just say that it is not stable. It can be pumped up or pumped out and the value of it's natural state is kept by the proximity of the matter flakes and the surface area of that matter. So that value is an absolute unless the original matter is blown away from the source. So the source is variable and over time will go back to it's original state through the natural network that connects everything.

You are the one getting confused. We are working on a complete model of everything not just what we have let ourselves learn. We have missed something in the aim of science and Maxwell's equations are just the tip of the ice burg. We have shunned this area for far too long and now we are attempting to understand it better then our forefathers did. That takes time and understanding. It also takes a brave man to admit that they were not entirely right the whole time and our science will resist admitting it was wrong till the end of time. They have built huge incomes from their incomplete science and if this information does see the light of day then it will come falling down on them.

Oh and I would also like to point out that matter is by no means stable. On the smallest view scale we have been able to attain we can see it writhing and bumping and in constant motion. It's average is the stableness not it's minute quanta of time. The picture I have shown is a mere slice of a second and only half of the total picture. It is 2 dimensional when you have 3 dimensions in our space. It was the best I could provide with my limited skills in drawing. The picture is a static rendering and not a dynamic one. There is a big difference between those two statements.

[Farmhand]

They look very interesting and not that far from my own thoughts on this. So this agrees with my ramblings so far about the relationship of the degrees of propagation between the two fields. Hmmm... Very interesting indeed.... It seems this is not an accident then. By the way I have never seen those before. I have seen some esoteric ones on matter composition in mass though. I never saw the propagation ones like that...

Hi Jbignes5, Those diagrams are from "Walter Russells" book "The Universal One" I highly recommend having a look through it.

Walter_Russell-The_Universal_One.pdf - Windows Live

I recommend scrolling through and looking at the diagrams, the book has a spiritual overtone but the info is good. Anyone looking this far into creation should get a little bit spiritual in my opinion. As an effect.

Somebody more highly educated than myself should get a lot from the book.

Just the diagrams alone are priceless.

Oh I don't see anything in there about changing lead into gold so it's not alchemy in my opinion.

What is the definition of alchemy anyway ? I'll look it up.

Cheers

[gravityblock]

Jbig,

There is a relationship between energy and the force that imparts acceleration to a body, but only a certain relationship. Water activates a turbine, but the gravitational force which activated the water was never turned into electrical energy. You think we can use voltage with no amps as electrical energy. This is analogous of trying to convert the gravitational force into electrical energy without the need for it to activate the water in order to turn a turbine. This is absurd. If your insulted by this, then so be. It is what it is. We must also bear in mind that a body, however much energy of its own it may have, does not move unless an exterior force sets it in motion. If one charges a sphere with a considerable amount of energy, it still does not move. Nevertheless if an external force is applied to it, a corresponding impulse is transferred to the sphere.

We can advance a thousand rational hypotheses, whereas Nature makes use of only one, rejecting the other, however rational they may be, or again, it may not even make use of any of them. Nature disregards imaginary enclosures, and our desire that the Universe should conform to our particular points of view, as well as our carefully thought out ideas. Throughout she behaves as though she were ignorant of Hamilton's calculus and the importance which people attach to formulae.

All that appears is an illusion of our senses. Only one thing is real. That is Spirit, and this is exactly what earthly science does not admit. It is the spirit which gives life to the body, and is bound magnetically to the body. The current flowing through a solenoid gives rise to a magnetic field which draws the iron core into the coil. Any field must have a centre to act as a vehicle for the lines of force which it generates. Once it has attracted the iron, the solenoid can be turned in any direction without the core falling out. No visible bond is holding it, only lines of force, several thousand to the square inch, which are not visible to the naked eye. The relationship between spirit and the body is similar to that between the solenoid and the iron core. The body corresponds to the solenoid and its current can be measured with an encephalograph; the spirit represents the iron core. If the magnetic field made by the body is interrupted, or its lines of force broken, or if the electric current which feeds it stops flowing, then the spirit is freed. This is death. Earth with its poles also has its secondary fields, which science have unfortunately not yet discovered. The magnetic fields are made of the etheric fluids of the planet. This is the same etheric fluid which binds the spirit to it's body. How can we discover this, when science won't admit that a spirit is real? Sachacyo knows what I'm talking about.

It's obvious we're not going to see eye to eye on these things. This is your thread, so I'll let you give it direction according to how you see fit.

GB

[Dave45]

Ok now that we have the theory of everything lets figure out how to liberate the electric field from the magnetic field without using mechanical force

[Dave45]

Have you guys seen Lasersabers Stubblefield coils, he's doing some good work, notice the iron wire.
YouTube - Working Nathan Stubblefield Coil!