The Electric Field.

[Jbignes5]

Well lets agree to disagree ok...

Jbig,

There is a relationship between energy and the force that imparts acceleration to a body, but only a certain relationship. Water activates a turbine, but the gravitational force which activated the water was never turned into electrical energy. You think we can use voltage with no amps as electrical energy. This is analogous of trying to convert the gravitational force into electrical energy without the need for it to activate the water in order to turn a turbine. This is absurd. If your insulted by this, then so be. It is what it is. We must also bear in mind that a body, however much energy of its own it may have, does not move unless an exterior force sets it in motion. If one charges a sphere with a considerable amount of energy, it still does not move. Nevertheless if an external force is applied to it, a corresponding impulse is transferred to the sphere.

We can advance a thousand rational hypotheses, whereas Nature makes use of only one, rejecting the other, however rational they may be, or again, it may not even make use of any of them. Nature disregards imaginary enclosures, and our desire that the Universe should conform to our particular points of view, as well as our carefully thought out ideas. Throughout she behaves as though she were ignorant of Hamilton's calculus and the importance which people attach to formulae.

All that appears is an illusion of our senses. Only one thing is real. That is Spirit, and this is exactly what earthly science does not admit. It is the spirit which gives life to the body, and is bound magnetically to the body. The current flowing through a solenoid gives rise to a magnetic field which draws the iron core into the coil. Any field must have a centre to act as a vehicle for the lines of force which it generates. Once it has attracted the iron, the solenoid can be turned in any direction without the core falling out. No visible bond is holding it, only lines of force, several thousand to the square inch, which are not visible to the naked eye. The relationship between spirit and the body is similar to that between the solenoid and the iron core. The body corresponds to the solenoid and its current can be measured with an encephalograph; the spirit represents the iron core. If the magnetic field made by the body is interrupted, or its lines of force broken, or if the electric current which feeds it stops flowing, then the spirit is freed. This is death. Earth with its poles also has its secondary fields, which science have unfortunately not yet discovered. The magnetic fields are made of the etheric fluids of the planet. This is the same etheric fluid which binds the spirit to it's body. How can we discover this, when science won't admit that a spirit is real? Sachacyo knows what I'm talking about.

It's obvious we're not going to see eye to eye on these things. This is your thread, so I'll let you give it direction according to how you see fit.

GB

Our direction led by the earlier experiments is showing that when you provide a much bigger source everything is drawn to it. It collects then expels the excess. What I am thinking is exactly what the original thinkers were thinking. If you can attract more voltage then all one needs to do is transform it to a lower potential with a much higher real current that we use today. It can be done and thats what was done in Tesla's case.

I nevcer said anything about spirit. Although I am highly spiritual, it is an inner spiritual essence I draw from. Where the connection is, is probably the aim to this. To peer into the invisible and see it's effects to infer it's structure is the absolute nature of this study.

I do not mind the tit for tat that we have been having. It allows me to figure this out and get it down. And you do have some valid points. I never said you didn't but I would give some advice that you might want to go back and read most of what I wanted to talk about in this thread.

I thought I gave it my best to describe where we went wrong. Where some in power tried to remove from our history is where our aim should be focused. I suspect that Maxwell's equations got thrown out because they supported this theory. It didn't make sense because they didn't want it to make sense. It threatened to ruin their income stream they just got established or would get established at that time.

[Farmhand]

Walter Russell Diagrams

Hi Guys, I took the liberty to cut the Diagrams from one of Walter's books, 65 or so diagrams all up, an impressive array. I saved them in high quality as jpegs and they are in four zip file's for ease of up/downloading. I will put a couple in here that might be immediately interesting as well to look at straight away.
The Zip files are for downloading i had to break up the 65 diagrams into four lots to upload them, they are in no particular order.

Crystalisation Chart. Think of a shape it's in there somewhere.

http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pPVhoC6qslkPdNm4ICjll4O9gN2TQIb-DmJFKOO73RSKl_3MfQUZAZMrbPMHpPYe_afd-ao8UNtHOpDBs4e2uuw/Crystalisation%20Chart.jpg?psid=1

Basis of the Atom

http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pjAQ7DeS3MOYwxtBfllcF_2wknXS_vnE26siKBhEequ8UepIChrxlXMBFoE7TtVO_Xfu5YjsZrQ00EUmPYQvntA/Basis%20of%20the%20Atom.jpg?psid=1

Ionisation

http://wv0auw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pTTTQtcgmQeDE8h4DlY52AAF55gNNYVz_3GG4K-tfRLnBowOkDKlzyJWA2F4hOm7dDGIG9p46S3fmElC4lcG0fJq6Fb6TLTrA/Ionisation.jpg?psid=1

Locked Potentials

http://wv0auw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pzRf916y9q-vn054Fg4Wu-AWL36XTaK8V98Y7wGr1TXYplPhOdTp6FpdcQ4zAGFP5f5T_9CVsiimagSqjeEfJd8FkZl-w87Zs/Locked%20Potentials%20Formula.jpg?psid=1

Locked Potentials 2. Note the 90* clock hand.

http://wv0auw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p9DmZVYOxY1OgKcD5DYaVleY0YtISQKp_A40h7YLEP3bZkEM7ukRQ5lXz9KBua2X3LvIYWF5AzYEfIq9GsjAWbbpNbfAuJXNh/The%20Cosmic%20Clock.jpg?psid=1

Zip file 1
Walter Russell Diagrams 1.zip - Windows Live

Zip file 2
Walter Russell Diagrams 2.zip - Windows Live

Zip file 3
Walter Russell Diagrams 3.zip - Windows Live

Zip file 4
Walter Russell Diagrams 4.zip - Windows Live
Wow that was more work than you would think.

Enjoy .

[mk1]

@Farmhand

Thant for the post those are great drawings .



@all

This is what i was referring to the coil angle at 22.5 , in earlier posts .
And referring to when the 90 degree was mentioned .


Mark

[Dave45]

Our direction led by the earlier experiments is showing that when you provide a much bigger source everything is drawn to it. It collects then expels the excess. What I am thinking is exactly what the original thinkers were thinking. If you can attract more voltage then all one needs to do is transform it to a lower potential with a much higher real current that we use today. It can be done and thats what was done in Tesla's case.

Exactly you hit the nail on the head bro, an electromagnet is the only manipulable source Iv seen.

Since we are talking about things unseen and nature observation, we've all noticed that the absense of water in our atmosphere (when its cold) the electrons seem to move more freely maybe even accelerate, and they seeem to build up on everything, we call it static electricity.
If we take our projects and put them in a vacuum under cold conditions can we improve performance, bring in more than the source needs at an accelerated rate, could this be the bubble that would cause an electromagnet to pump energy.

Also I still think that we are producing a positive field around our coils by running negative current through our wires, as soon as I get some enameled iron wire I'll be doing some tests. A positive will not run to a positive earth.

[Dave45]

When we talk about aither either or whatever you want to call it water vapor is a part of that, water is an energy carrier, so if it is a carrier it has to absorb energy that means we need to remove the water from direct contact with the source.
In a sense it grounds out our source.

I got a pump off ebay thought I would use pvc to make my containers since Im not a glass blower, I figure the pvc will leak but maybe a sealer will help, with our funding we have to improvise.

[Jbignes5]

Exactly you hit the nail on the head bro, an electromagnet is the only manipulable source Iv seen.

Since we are talking about things unseen and nature observation, we've all noticed that the absense of water in our atmosphere (when its cold) the electrons seem to move more freely maybe even accelerate, and they seeem to build up on everything, we call it static electricity.
If we take our projects and put them in a vacuum under cold conditions can we improve performance, bring in more than the source needs at an accelerated rate, could this be the bubble that would cause an electromagnet to pump energy.

Also I still think that we are producing a positive field around our coils by running negative current through our wires, as soon as I get some enameled iron wire I'll be doing some tests. A positive will not run to a positive earth.

Yes density has a lot to do with the propagation of the electric field.

Trust me a positive only system is possible and in fact I have used them. Two positive potentials but there has to be a difference in the potentials. Once there is a difference a current will flow. You might want to check out the captret. The negative was hooked up to the can of the cap at the positive was hooked to the real positive on the cap. Both the negative and of course the positive was positive when checked with a meter. But yet you could hook up an led normally and it would work. they were both positive but the negative part of the cap had a lower potential because it was working backwards from the way it was designed.

A very interesting experiment.

The only time a positive will not run to the positive is if they have the same absolute value! Then they will repel. So knowing that one has to rethink the magnet issue. How can a many magnets still repel if they are all different strengths???

Water is a very interesting storage container. Water stores this energy very well. It will have to be used to safely store the energy we collect...

But I suspect this has many benefits. A: it will increase the base energetic level of the water so if it is consumed it will raise your own energy level. B: growing stuff on a more energetic water level enhances the food as well. We all know the experiments of many researchers studying the effect of energy on water as it freezes or phase changes. It can and will store energy.

This is all due to the fact that water is merely a condensation of the most basic energy carrier in the natural world. It is highly conductive of this energy because it is a super fluid condensate of those transmitters of the natural energy. That just means the density is extreme. Air is another condensate of these transmitters and is at another value of density. We can tell there is a density difference because they have surface tension where they meet. But air also has it's layers and so does water. Although it is not as apparent in water as is in the air.

[Farmhand]

Iron Horseshoe's Testatika

Hey Dave and all, Have you noticed the testatika machine has the wire's from the layden jar type things going to two "U" shaped pieces of Iron or steel. The key to changing static to AC is in that Machine between the "U" shaped things and the Layden jar type thingys which i've read are a bit different to layden jars.

Ed Leedskalinin says that a PMH can be used as a Transformer with or without the bottom bar. I think.

YouTube - Testatika Machine

It looks like the wire from both sides is wrapped on one leg of each "U" shaped Iron bar then to ground, and the wire wrapped on the other side of each one goes to the transformer in the center.

If anyone knows anything or has any info on that machine, especially the final output stage, even insights. Please speak up.

I would love to see a Drawing for that thing. I am going to experiment with a pair of "U" shaped steel bars like that from the radiant output of one of my setups. When i get around to it. Very busy with farm work.

Jbignes, you asked about the diagrams so I copied them from the book and zipped them for easy viewing. I'm not saying thay are all correct I don't agree with some. But some do make sense. And could be helpfull.

Cheers

[Dave45]

Thanks for the heads up Farmhand, it looks like he's using a version of the wimhurst machine to produce a positive current running that into laden jars and producing a negative current that can be used. This is how its done, Im going to run a positive current through a coil and collect the negative current that surrounds my coils.
If you take a coil with an iron core hooked up with copper wire and pulsed, then hook up the meter, one wire to the core and the other wire to a conductor in the magnetic field but isolated and pulse the coil you can get high voltage but it is a positive field so no amps, but if we reverse the input, run a positive through our coil we should get negative field with amps.

[gravityblock]

Also I still think that we are producing a positive field around our coils by running negative current through our wires, as soon as I get some enameled iron wire I'll be doing some tests. A positive will not run to a positive earth.

Mankind is the author of confusion, so let me add to it. There's been talk of positive and negative current. We need to ask ourselves positive and negative relative to what?

Using the right hand and pointing the thumb in the direction of the moving positive charge or positive current and the fingers in the direction of the magnetic field the resulting force on the charge points outwards from the palm. The force on a negatively charged particle is in the opposite direction. If both the speed and the charge are reversed then the direction of the force remains the same. For that reason a magnetic field measurement (by itself) cannot distinguish whether there is a positive charge moving to the right or a negative charge moving to the left. (Both of these cases produce the same current.) On the other hand, a magnetic field combined with an electric field can distinguish between these, such as the Hall effect.

Below is a childish drawing I quickly drew up to illustrate the above along with Dave's idea of producing a positve field with a negative current. I'm not saying the illustration is correct. The purpose of the illustration is to get you guys to reason in a different way. The left side of the coil is iron wire, while the right side of the coil is copper (divided by the black line cutting through the middle of the coil). The current (green arrow) is flowing from positve to the negative. The red rectangle denotes a magnetic pole, and the blue rectangle denotes a magnetic pole of opposite polarity. The positive current is flowing in the same direction through both the iron and copper wire, but the magnetic field induced in the copper wire is pointing in the opposite direction relative to the iron wire. If we only measured the magnetic field around the coil, we would be led to believe there was a positve current in the copper wire, and a negative current in the iron wire, or a negative current producing a positive field in the iron wire....but this is not the case when we combine both the magnetic field with an electric field. This leads us to believe there is both a negative and a positive current which we can split, or there is a negative current producing a positive field. It's all an illusion.

GB

[Jbignes5]

I have to agree somewhat here.

Mankind is the author of confusion, so let me add to it. There's been talk of positive and negative current. We need to ask ourselves positive and negative relative to what?

Using the right hand and pointing the thumb in the direction of the moving positive charge or positive current and the fingers in the direction of the magnetic field the resulting force on the charge points outwards from the palm. The force on a negatively charged particle is in the opposite direction. If both the speed and the charge are reversed then the direction of the force remains the same. For that reason a magnetic field measurement (by itself) cannot distinguish whether there is a positive charge moving to the right or a negative charge moving to the left. (Both of these cases produce the same current.) On the other hand, a magnetic field combined with an electric field can distinguish between these, such as the Hall effect.

Below is a childish drawing I quickly drew up to illustrate the above along with Dave's idea of producing a positve field with a negative current. I'm not saying the illustration is correct. The purpose of the illustration is to get you guys to reason in a different way. The left side of the coil is iron wire, while the right side of the coil is copper (divided by the black line cutting through the middle of the coil). The current (green arrow) is flowing from positve to the negative. The red rectangle denotes a magnetic pole, and the blue rectangle denotes a magnetic pole of opposite polarity. The positive current is flowing in the same direction through both the iron and copper wire, but the magnetic field induced in the copper wire is pointing in the opposite direction relative to the iron wire. If we only measured the magnetic field around the coil, we would be led to believe there was a positve current in the copper wire, and a negative current in the iron wire, or a negative current producing a positive field in the iron wire....but this is not the case when we combine both the magnetic field with an electric field. This leads us to believe there is both a negative and a positive current which we can split, or there is a negative current producing a positive field. It's all an illusion.

GB

The negative we are seeing is actually the vacuum of positive charge. It has an effect like the surface of the water. When you create a depression in the water it is of course negative but really it is positive on a lower scale. It all comes down to the comparison point or the measurement points. I highly believe there is no other polarity other then positive and then the lack of positive which in the case of the surface analogy the depression is negative when compared to the peaks that respond to the depression.

Even in the colds of space particles we can see seem to still have energy when at the coldest scales. That means energy is always positive otherwise everything would bleed into each other and nothing would have a division.

One question: Do you believe that current flows from positive to negative or the other way around?

[mk1]

@GB

Exactly my point , so much clearer when you say it ...

@all

A magnet will never be equal to a magnet , the magnet seems to have 3
streams of energy 1 North 1 South and 1 Holy Spirit , the magic combination of both .

Electricity as 1 stream and a second called copper losses Radiant .

Now a better simulation of the magnet will need both current (iron wire) to get the Holy Spirit Ghost Power , you can't see it you got to have faith

Basically a Cu/Fe bifilar connected in parallel should cancel them self and create a electric magnet 3 stream , if they cancel each other they may also cancel the current and run on voltage potential , since it will not show on the meter we could call it a zero point coil .

The real good iron is really hard to get , its all steel now . Brass could also be interesting to substitute to copper .

I hope i this gave you guys ideas .

Mark

[Dave45]

You guys may be correct, if you notice in the vid posted by mk about the iron coil, he redirects the bemf into the negative post, that means the iron coil is producing a negative field and when this field collapses back into the coil it has to be directed to the negative post.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, couldn't resist.

Now a better simulation of the magnet will need both current (iron wire) to get the Holy Spirit Ghost Power , you can't see it you got to have faith

what do ya need faith for, since humans know everything there is to know and can see everything there is to possibly see with our all seeing eyeballs, lol.
interesting discussion though, carry on.
peace love light
Tyson

[mk1]

Hi folks, couldn't resist.

what do ya need faith for, since humans know everything there is to know and can see everything there is to possibly see with our all seeing eyeballs, lol.
interesting discussion though, carry on.
peace love light
Tyson

I know i only say so because it is not something tangible , its the trinity North South and there Love Hate relationship .

Mark

[mk1]

One question: Do you believe that current flows from positive to negative or the other way around?

Can i give my answer ? too late .

Both at the same time but we only call one of them electricity .

The wire material would determine the current flow .

Resistance and direction , calculated losses may be cause by the reverse current more or less passing anyway in some material .

Mark