The Electric Field.

[Dave45]

lets talk about a magnet for a minute if we were in the northern hemisphere of the magnet and produced a south field would it be repelled by the magnet or attracted.
I have a hunch that positive electricity will run to ground in the southern hemisphere of this large magnet we live on.

[Dave45]

I guess you could call them ufo's since there unidentified, but I believe they use the poles for levitation and propulsion.
Riden the magnetic fields.

[mk1]

lets talk about a magnet for a minute if we were in the northern hemisphere of the magnet and produced a south field would it be repelled by the magnet or attracted.
I have a hunch that positive electricity will run to ground in the southern hemisphere of this large magnet we live on.

Earth is not equal to a magnet ,in any theory on magnets the poles are interchangeable and equal , if something in on e direction it will not in the other.
Electricity is not like that because it works on a difference of potential it they where equal there would be no movement , or perception of movement .

This show that electricity is only half of the equation . NS coil show it is possible to get core saturation without current (lasersaber video) .

Gravity is like that magnetic north and south , and electric east and west (capacitor diamagnetic ocean ) .

Magnetic field is not gravity it is half of it.

Mark

[Dave45]

OK I tried

[mk1]

OK I tried

I hope this was not for my benefit , if indeed it was i can only say Ok i tried .

@all

For the others i almost finish the coil , i was speaking of 2 iron wire and 2 copper .

I will wait before posting here since it really isn't my tread , and people are wearing sandals .

Mark

[Jbignes5]

I have to agree here.

Earth is not equal to a magnet ,in any theory on magnets the poles are interchangeable and equal , if something in on e direction it will not in the other.
Electricity is not like that because it works on a difference of potential it they where equal there would be no movement , or perception of movement .

This show that electricity is only half of the equation . NS coil show it is possible to get core saturation without current (lasersaber video) .

Gravity is like that magnetic north and south , and electric east and west (capacitor diamagnetic ocean ) .

Magnetic field is not gravity it is half of it.

Mark

The reason behind gravity is not so strange and not so complicated when you understand there is an electric field also associated with the magnetic field. Gravity is merely the electric fields attraction to all matter. It is all around us and flows in a sense twords the point of highest attraction. Even though the point doesn't extend outside of our sphere(planet) the gentle flow inwards tells us the flow direction.

With all the motion of lava and such in our core could anyone refute that there is a tremendous static potential in the center of our planet? I highly doubt that it could be refuted.

To get back to the question at hand the electric field flows south to north or negative to positive and the magnetic flow is north to south or positive to negative. First must come the electrical attraction and connection. Then comes the resulting flow of heavy current as a response to the connection. In a sense the pathway is made and then the onrush of response to the pathway being complete is the results. This is where they get the axiom of voltage leads current. Create the pathway and then current will flow.

If we look at a source we will see that the pathway is from outside to inside. It connects everything to that source. Once that pathway is built up or grown the source will gain in potential a bit then when the response of matter squeezes the source it pumps out the rest of the potential that is not part of the original source. <- This is a tension relaxation response. It is the frequency of the matter itself based on it's composition and surface area of that matter. Yes it might go further then the natural base measurements but it will never get to absolute zero.

Some matter is very very energetic. Meaning that it's swing or pumping arc is so large that huge amounts of potential are pumped in and out of that matter. This makes it radioactive but as you will see from these examples every piece of matter is radiating this pumping potential. It's just at such a low level that no one considers it radioactive. The mechanism hasn't changed it is just more apparent in the case of radioactive matter.

@Farmhand... I'm not ignoring your references. I try to read everything in the thread. Like you I can not say that all of the figures in that book are very accurate. Some seem so esoteric that they could not be used. But there is some good information there and I agree with your findings on it.

The one reason I don't say anything about spirit or whatever you subscribe to is that this stuff should be explainable without having to just believe it is that way. Spirit means you have no clue just blindly follow that faith in spirit. There is no reason to blindly follow anything in this area because we can see the effects. By seeing the effects one can conclude the origin. This does not invalidate your faith nor the spirit it just explains the unknown or unseen with mechanics that are very explainable. Faith is for you to find a reason to get up. Faith and spirit are gods realm and not of matter.

[Jbignes5]

No... This is OUR Thread!

I hope this was not for my benefit , if indeed it was i can only say Ok i tried .

@all

For the others i almost finish the coil , i was speaking of 2 iron wire and 2 copper .

I will wait before posting here since it really isn't my tread , and people are wearing sandals .

Mark

Please post and do whatever you think supports your argument! Do not hold it back. Just let your thoughts flow and experiments as well. I will not throw anyone out for any reason. We are writing this thread and every comment and experiment should be included. I mean you posted your argument, why not the proof!?

[Farmhand]

The reason behind gravity is not so strange and not so complicated when you understand there is an electric field also associated with the magnetic field. Gravity is merely the electric fields attraction to all matter. It is all around us and flows in a sense twords the point of highest attraction. Even though the point doesn't extend outside of our sphere(planet) the gentle flow inwards tells us the flow direction.

With all the motion of lava and such in our core could anyone refute that there is a tremendous static potential in the center of our planet? I highly doubt that it could be refuted.

To get back to the question at hand the electric field flows south to north or negative to positive and the magnetic flow is north to south or positive to negative. First must come the electrical attraction and connection. Then comes the resulting flow of heavy current as a response to the connection. In a sense the pathway is made and then the onrush of response to the pathway being complete is the results. This is where they get the axiom of voltage leads current. Create the pathway and then current will flow.

If we look at a source we will see that the pathway is from outside to inside. It connects everything to that source. Once that pathway is built up or grown the source will gain in potential a bit then when the response of matter squeezes the source it pumps out the rest of the potential that is not part of the original source. <- This is a tension relaxation response. It is the frequency of the matter itself based on it's composition and surface area of that matter. Yes it might go further then the natural base measurements but it will never get to absolute zero.

Some matter is very very energetic. Meaning that it's swing or pumping arc is so large that huge amounts of potential are pumped in and out of that matter. This makes it radioactive but as you will see from these examples every piece of matter is radiating this pumping potential. It's just at such a low level that no one considers it radioactive. The mechanism hasn't changed it is just more apparent in the case of radioactive matter.

@Farmhand... I'm not ignoring your references. I try to read everything in the thread. Like you I can not say that all of the figures in that book are very accurate. Some seem so esoteric that they could not be used. But there is some good information there and I agree with your findings on it.

The one reason I don't say anything about spirit or whatever you subscribe to is that this stuff should be explainable without having to just believe it is that way. Spirit means you have no clue just blindly follow that faith in spirit. There is no reason to blindly follow anything in this area because we can see the effects. By seeing the effects one can conclude the origin. This does not invalidate your faith nor the spirit it just explains the unknown or unseen with mechanics that are very explainable. Faith is for you to find a reason to get up. Faith and spirit are gods realm and not of matter.

Umm, I didn't say I subscribe to any spirit !

I just said that there is no possible way for people to fully understand where everything began. I don't bother to try thinking too far back toward the creation of our universe. Because unless I can find out where the first particle of any and all universes came from there is no point. It's like trying to find out which came first the chicken or the egg, it doesn't matter ! As long as we know how to use the chicken to get an egg and how to use the egg to get a chicken we can keep on using them.

There will always be mystery to where and how everything began. I don't believe there is an all enveloping conciousness or anything, I think it as all just natural Phenomena. But from the perspective of a human looking into it all, it can be a spiritual experience. I think some get caught up in that too much.

I think it is important to understand to know how matter is formed from enrergy. Because I believe all matter is formed from energy. Then all matter returns to energy. This is the Aether or backround energy or zero poin energy or vacuum energy or whatever we like to call it dark energy maybe.

I don't think it is important to know how the energy came to be in the first place or where it may have come from.

I think matter is formed from Aether energy, and pumps the Aether enregy (interchange) just like you say, untill the matter itself cycles back to energy slowly (Disintergration).

No spirit needed. I don't mind if other's get spiritual though.

I wasn't trying to push it on you or anything, just that you said you hadn't seen them so I thought I would gather them up for you all to look at for interest sake.

So I guess we will have to agree to agree. But still disagree maybe on the finer point's.

It's funny because I agree and disagree with differing amounts of what we are all saying.

Cheers

[Jbignes5]

You got me wrong...

Umm, I didn't say I subscribe to any spirit !

I just said that there is no possible way for people to fully understand where everything began. I don't bother to try thinking too far back toward the creation of our universe. Because unless I can find out where the first particle of any and all universes came from there is no point. It's like trying to find out which came first the chicken or the egg, it doesn't matter ! As long as we know how to use the chicken to get an egg and how to use the egg to get a chicken we can keep on using them.

There will always be mystery to where and how everything began. I don't believe there is an all enveloping conciousness or anything, I think it as all just natural Phenomena. But from the perspective of a human looking into it all, it can be a spiritual experience. I think some get caught up in that too much.

I think it is important to understand to know how matter is formed from enrergy. Because I believe all matter is formed from energy. Then all matter returns to energy. This is the Aether or backround energy or zero poin energy or vacuum energy or whatever we like to call it dark energy maybe.

I don't think it is important to know how the energy came to be in the first place or where it may have come from.

I think matter is formed from Aether energy, and pumps the Aether enregy (interchange) just like you say, untill the matter itself cycles back to energy slowly (Disintergration).

No spirit needed. I don't mind if other's get spiritual though.

I wasn't trying to push it on you or anything, just that you said you hadn't seen them so I thought I would gather them up for you all to look at for interest sake.

So I guess we will have to agree to agree. But still disagree maybe on the finer point's.

It's funny because I agree and disagree with differing amounts of what we are all saying.

Cheers

I wasn't pointing any fingers. That was a general statement. As it was mentioned in the previous posts.

We have to understand the finer points and this is exactly what we are doing here. We are trying to look at the finer points. I am by far not even remotely correct about this stuff. I know I talk with an air of authority on this stuff but it is only the collection of my research in this area. It is by far not wholly correct.

When I post something and say this is the way it is, what I really mean is this is the way I see it. Everyone will have a different view and this is where it starts to get very interesting. New things, ways and even methods will pop up from us airing our different views. Yes we can agree on the bigger picture but will always fail to agree on the finer points initially. At least until we can convince most that this is the way it is happening. How do we do that. Well first we chat and find out where we all stand in this view. Then we present research to back it up as to where it got it's start in your thought process. If we like it and think it is valuable information we can devise a way to prove it trough experimentation.

I myself handle things less eloquently. I am putting my design down then I'll figure out the process as I go. My experiment is being put together. I am trying to figure out what process the toroids are to be laminated to best facilitate the electric field in my Lockridge device. Hence what we are talking about.

I am sorry about making the reference to spirit in the post directed at you.. It was a passing thought as I started writing to your post. I should of put an @all... Sorry...

[Dave45]

I agree this thread has forced me to reconsider, think reevaluate my own theory's. Its a good interaction it brings realization.

[7imix]

If you guys are starting to talk about the e field and gravity, here you go, these posts even have the math for it.

http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=q1q6sz2s&pf=YES

http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=89xdcmfs&pf=YES

[Farmhand]

No problems Jbignes5, I do agree it is good to try to explain how we think about this and why. It all helps. It's a very interesting area and vital to our persuits.

I do fear that when I try to explain what i'm thinking it all gets lost in a bunch of words that don't describe what I want to say. It is very difficult subject to talk about. Not uncomfortable just difficult to explain.

Yes the lamination of the core ! How large do you think it could be or should be ? I guess that would depend on the Armature used.

I think Iron or steel rods as rings separately insulated that fit together with a cross section that would look stacked into an oval wider than it's radial thickness. Like a rows of 4-5-6-5-4 stacked but in a ring the inside one's would be shorter than the outer one's.

It's just a hunch. How would the field look in that ?

I see a real complex flux and field arrangement. Maybe one long rod wound like a coil. But I think seperate would be better.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

Nice links 7imix

This part is interesting. These olden day dudes sure had good instincts. We owe them a lot, but unfortunately a lot of thier work has been undone.

Sir Oliver Lodge deserves to be heard once more:
“..it may be that when the structure of an electron is understood, we shall see that an ‘even-powered’ stress in the surrounding aether is necessarily involved. What I do feel instinctively is that this is the direction for discovery, and what is needed is something internal and intrinsic, and that all attempts to explain gravitation as due to the action of some external agency, whether flying particles or impinging waves, are doomed to failure; for all these speculations regard the atom as a foreign substance -- a sort of ‘grit’ in the aether -- driven hither and thither by forces alien to itself. When, some day, we understand the real relation between matter and aether, I venture to predict that we shall perceive something more satisfying than that.”[11]

I agree with these selective quote's from the linked articles, and more. It's a good read.

The fact that we do not understand gravity in this space age should cause alarm. Our cosmology — our view of our situation in the universe — is based on a mystery! The ‘big bang’ is a monumentally expensive work of fiction.

We missed a chance to include electricity in astronomy in the early 1900s. Birkeland was performing his electrical ‘little Earth,’ or Terrella, experiments in Norway, and Gauss and Weber were discovering the electrical interactions of matter. Today, physicists labour under misconceptions about the nature of matter and space; the relationship between matter, mass and gravity; the electrical nature of stars[2] and galaxies; and the size, history and age of the universe. So when astrophysicists turn to particle physicists to solve their intractable problems and particle physicists use it as an excuse for squandering billions of dollars on futile experiments, neither party recognizes that the other discipline is in a parlous state.

“After all, to get the whole universe totally wrong in the face of clear evidence for over 75 years merits monumental embarrassment and should induce a modicum of humility.”[

3]

“The Standard Model of particle physics would appear to fail in nearly every possible way, and all of its failures seem to stem from the early 1930s. By all indications science seems to have taken a wrong turn about this time. After three hundred years of progressively simplifying the description of the universe, with fewer entities and simpler laws, it suddenly turned the other way, with complexity and entities multiplying like rabbits.”[

4]

“We are about to enter the 21st century but our understanding of the origin of inertia, mass, and gravitation still remains what has been for centuries - an outstanding puzzle.”

Cheers

[Jbignes5]

Hmm...

No problems Jbignes5, I do agree it is good to try to explain how we think about this and why. It all helps. It's a very interesting area and vital to our persuits.

I do fear that when I try to explain what i'm thinking it all gets lost in a bunch of words that don't describe what I want to say. It is very difficult subject to talk about. Not uncomfortable just difficult to explain.

Yes the lamination of the core ! How large do you think it could be or should be ? I guess that would depend on the Armature used.

I think Iron or steel rods as rings separately insulated that fit together with a cross section that would look stacked into an oval wider than it's radial thickness. Like a rows of 4-5-6-5-4 stacked but in a ring the inside one's would be shorter than the outer one's.

It's just a hunch. How would the field look in that ?

I see a real complex flux and field arrangement. Maybe one long rod wound like a coil. But I think seperate would be better.

Cheers

Well what I am thinking is that we use toroids. Not a single slinky type but just toroids in parallel as the field coils.

If you look at the original design the toroid wraps are actually in line with the rotor core. But since the geometry of the two coils are different, one being overlapped as apposed to the single wrap of the toroid it changes the reaction. When the toroid energizes with the magneto charge the field is very very complex. Think that each wire or each wind will be broad casting (for lack of a better word) a straight line to the misaligned rotor field. As the potential builds it makes the broad casted lines rigid or to become rigid and the rotor turns... This is analogous to Nitinol wire. I never made the connection until just now. If you look up nitinol wire you will find out that it is heat activated. When annealed into a form you can then deform the wire then apply heat and it will snap to the annealed position of that wire. This can be of a great force and that is with matter. What I suspect is that this effect is actually how these lines work. When they have little potential they bend easily and can look like a field of grain moving. But when the proper energy is applied they snap with very immense force to their straight positions.

I think this is how this patent works. It bypasses the magnetic field in the core of the toroid and only uses this electric field to get motion by varying the potential only one can make the lines very rigid. Now Tesla has made many many statements to the effect of making the lines rigid. I think this is where the key to this process is hidden.

So lets try to picture this motor in operation. each wire that wraps around the toroid core has a field being emitted that is electric only. It looks like a pom pom kind of effect. When the potential is low they are not strong nor are they very long. Kinda like razor stubble. When the potential goes higher the fingers or strings will grow both in strength and thickness. Also pay attention to the geometry of the toroid. The inside will compress the fingers or strings together and the outside lets them expand out. This makes the center have a higher potential because you are squeezing the lines into a higher density then the outside of the toroid.

Now that we are looking at the field coils we must remember we have two coils wound in a 90 degree fashion on the rotor. These coils are for all intense and purpose just to get an induced voltage potential off of the field coils to run the motor module/load. What happens next is very very important. This generator must breathe. It has to have an air flow because it will be sucking energy from the air. <-That should be the process where the free energy comes from. As the fingers go in and out and round and round it pumps like a jet engine does.

Here is the best drawing I can make. You can think of it like a woolly Caterpillar and the way they move. Frequency in this case is how many ripples per given area are:

[Farmhand]

Yes I'm keen to try this in an ad-hock experimental kind of way. I have an alternating gating pulsing setup to pulse the two sets of series connected coils. I think at low frequency less than a few Khz Steel rod or wire would do for the core. and I can do that but it will take a while to get the core built and wire on it. Come to think of it I might aswell do a good job so I can use it with a rotor. I have a couple of rotors that could give an indication of what is happening.

Like i said it could take a while to do tests with a rotor.

Here's a scope shot of one of the alternating pulse trains.

http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pZ_FNLqMnApeVTuHW1vzDXL8i-45ojmZbnZNhh5KKHGg6awExBYByyujNfubyQLlFq41YPdQKy8ftXzCUXS-U3A/Gating%20001.JPG?psid=1

It's not exactly how I want it to look but that will just take some tweaking. This could do the job of the exciter. And can be adjusted as to the number of pulses per group and the frequency of the groups. The pulse trains are 180* out of phase to each other. Spot on for pulsing the field coils with maximum pulses for the carrier frequency, The frequency of the groups is about 700 Hz x 5 pulses per group is 3.5 Kz. For a rotation of the shaft equal to 700 Hz would cause.

Some motors do multiple pulse like that. Not sure if it would be suitable or not but I think it's worth a try. Stan used this method for one of his setups. But the one I built is alternating. It also has another output double the frequency of the alternating one's which might be usefull for triggering something else. The third out put is also gated pulses. I'm going to pulse the three coils on my BB toroid maybe tonight if i get time but that won't tell much for the D.E.M. R&D.

Cheers