Captret - Perpetual Light with Dead Batteries

[ibpointless2]

There's a thin coating of oxide which forms on the aluminum plates, which forms a virtual diode. Here's an excerpt from wiki, Rectifier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



The difference between the term diode and the term rectifier is merely one of usage. The thin coating of aluminum hydroxide on the aluminum electrode is the virtual diode which has already been brought to your attention by others. Also, please take note once again from the above quote that both electrodes can be aluminum. There is no mystery in how the captret or water battery is working.

GB

Once again i'm not dealing with diodes or rectifiers. The Wiki says that they used same plates as rectifiers in AC currents and in lighting arrestors. My Water Captrets have polarization which makes them batteries and not diodes. The mystery is that why does the same metal plates put in the same water give us voltage?

The Captrets and Water captrets are batteries, that for some odd reason last a good amount of time even when left shorted out for days. The mystery has nothing to do with diodes but the battery effect.

[gravityblock]

There's a thin coating of oxide which forms on the aluminum plates, which forms a virtual diode. Here's an excerpt from wiki, Rectifier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The electrolytic rectifier was an early device from the 1900s that is no longer used. When two different metals are suspended in an electrolyte solution, it can be found that direct current flowing one way through the metals has less resistance than the other direction. These most commonly used an aluminum anode, and a lead or steel cathode, suspended in a solution of tri-ammonium ortho-phosphate.

The rectification action is due to a thin coating of aluminum hydroxide on the aluminum electrodeThere is also a breakdown voltage where the coating is penetrated and the cell is short-circuited. Electrochemical methods are often more fragile than mechanical methods, and can be sensitive to usage variations which can drastically change or completely disrupt the rectification processes.

Similar electrolytic devices were used as lightning arresters around the same era by suspending many aluminium cones in a tank of tri-ammomium ortho-phosphate solution. Unlike the rectifier, above, only aluminium electrodes were used, and used on A.C., there was no polarization and thus no rectifier action, but the chemistry was similar.

The modern electrolytic capacitor, an essential component of most rectifier circuit configurations was also developed from the electrolytic rectifier.

The difference between the term diode and the term rectifier is merely one of usage. The thin coating of aluminum hydroxide on the aluminum electrode is the virtual diode which has already been brought to your attention by others. Also, please take note once again from the above quote that both electrodes can be aluminum. There is no mystery in how the captret or water battery is working.

GB

[Jbignes5]

Yes.

I've started the small but super sized scale of the captret. I've got 10 water captrets hooked in series so that i can get about 1.2 volts from it. It was very hard for me to hook them up because of my method of using the cups is big and clumsy. I did get it hooked up and the voltage on them was around 1.4 volts but goes down a little. Using the technique i learn from messing around with the smaller water captrets im going to leave it shorted out for at least 12 hours, for some reasons they hold a voltage better when they've be shorted out for long periods of time.

I know 1.4 volts is not a lot but its still free? I'm hoping to get a LED to run off the bigger water captret. What i need to start working on is a better system of stacking the plates to get more voltage in a smaller package.

And if any are wondering you can take one water captret cell and share the big positive plate with multiple negative plates, each negative plate gives its own voltage.

Plate stacking is gonna be the best avenue here. Putting an organic separator in there would help in two areas. One it will allow the water to circulate and two it will allow the closest possible plate stacking.

[ibpointless2]

Now we got our thinking caps on.

Lets take this a bit further. As Tesla was figuring out with the type of energy we are using here, which is purely potential, it reacts the same way as static electricity. It only travels on the skin of metal objects. Heck in fact if I grab one lead of the cap and grab the led it will light as bright as if the captret was hooked directly. Now what is that telling you?

Surface area is a big determination on the voltage and strength of this potential. Given the same weight for each plate it's only difference is the surface area of each plate. This is the "virtual" diode the good doctor was talking about but we took it one further and started to use the can as the drain so to speak.

It is not surprising that the water captret works the way it does. In fact water was also included in the Edison batteries as well and they could last for up to 80 years. Nickel was the main catalytic metal for the process in that but it did include water as well.

Another avenue I looked down was how water can generate huge amounts of voltage just by being dropped through collection grids and generate huge amounts of voltage that way. MIT has a good video of that.

There is a connection here and it is water. Not hydrogen, not oxygen but the combination of both allow it to do a great many things, even through it's transformation phases. It can collect and shed huge amounts of energy with very little input. This has to be our key here and the water captret needs to be super sized and tailored to our needs...

I've started the small but super sized scale of the captret. I've got 10 water captrets hooked in series so that i can get about 1.2 volts from it. It was very hard for me to hook them up because of my method of using the cups is big and clumsy. I did get it hooked up and the voltage on them was around 1.4 volts but goes down a little. Using the technique i learn from messing around with the smaller water captrets im going to leave it shorted out for at least 12 hours, for some reasons they hold a voltage better when they've be shorted out for long periods of time.

I know 1.4 volts is not a lot but its still free? I'm hoping to get a LED to run off the bigger water captret. What i need to start working on is a better system of stacking the plates to get more voltage in a smaller package.

And if any are wondering you can take one water captret cell and share the big positive plate with multiple negative plates, each negative plate gives its own voltage.

[Jbignes5]

Good...

Now we got our thinking caps on.

Lets take this a bit further. As Tesla was figuring out with the type of energy we are using here, which is purely potential, it reacts the same way as static electricity. It only travels on the skin of metal objects. Heck in fact if I grab one lead of the cap and grab the led it will light as bright as if the captret was hooked directly. Now what is that telling you?

Surface area is a big determination on the voltage and strength of this potential. Given the same weight for each plate it's only difference is the surface area of each plate. This is the "virtual" diode the good doctor was talking about but we took it one further and started to use the can as the drain so to speak.

It is not surprising that the water captret works the way it does. In fact water was also included in the Edison batteries as well and they could last for up to 80 years. Nickel was the main catalytic metal for the process in that but it did include water as well.

Another avenue I looked down was how water can generate huge amounts of voltage just by being dropped through collection grids and generate huge amounts of voltage that way. MIT has a good video of that.

There is a connection here and it is water. Not hydrogen, not oxygen but the combination of both allow it to do a great many things, even through it's transformation phases. It can collect and shed huge amounts of energy with very little input. This has to be our key here and the water captret needs to be super sized and tailored to our needs...

[skaght]

cold fusion? Perhaps we should try nickel...

If the water captret is "encouraging" cold fusion reactions to take place, why not try nickel instead of aluminum? There's reports that nickel can work in some cold fusion setups and it's much cheaper than palladium. Chemically it should be similar to palladium, since it's in the same family of elements...

[ibpointless2]

[gravityblock]

As for the water captret it also seems to be a water battery, well, it's more water battery than any water battery out their. I say this because it seems it might be consuming the water as a power source, the water is being transformed into hydrogen and oxygen from what i'm seeing.

There is strong evidence of there being pockets of superconductivity at room temperature in palladium when impregnated with deutrium. Palladium has the uncommon ability to absorb up to 900 times its own volume of hydrogen at room temperatures. Since there is electrolysis happening inside the water captret, then we may achieve Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR) or Chemically Assisted Nuclear Reactions (CANR) if we used the right materials and process for a homemade captret.

Palladium is expensive, but it can be recovered from catalytic converters and from certain types of capacitors. Let's make a cold fusion captret cell!

Below is a quote from a publication titled, "What is believed about cold fusion?"

The original method based on electrolysis, as used by Fleischmann and Pons, has received the greatest attention and has the greatest success. Reproducibility of heat production near 75% is now claimed using this method.

The U.S. Navy is now saying Cold Fusion is real. Let's take the water captret to the next level.

GB

[NickZ]

@ Ib:
You have mentioned that the dimming of Captret's Led light intensity is not really a proper indicator of the Captret's charging ability, or it's batteries state of charge condition. This I now agree with, after doing some test on the battery.
I did a test of how long the Captret's batteries would last with a heavy Led load connected to it, to test the solidness of the possibly fluffy charge. A 12 Led load was connected to my Captret, and it lasted less than one hour. But this does not prove anything, just a test. The single led was dim before the test, but the extra 12 led load still lit. It did take me a while to figure out where to connect the bigger 12 led load, as it would only light on one or two of the 10 caps. But it did light very bright for a while, so the standing charge of the two 9 volt batteries was not entirely fluffy.
I will get three new 9 volts batteries and try again. Since you are right in suggesting that if any of the batteries will not hold a charge, on their own, they will not be any good for this test. Batteries have to be in new condition, but somewhat discharged by a couple of volts, on each battery, right? Old, shorted, recharged, or defective batteries will not hold the charge and are useless for this purpose.
One observation that I wanted to comment on is: Y have a 10 capacitor Captret set up with all the caps wired together with a common positive and a common negative (can). They are all connected to the same two or three 9 v batteries, and also to a one inch toroid basic Jt ( with no resistor) which is connected to one of the capacitors + and- post. Each of the various capacitors give a different voltage reading when taken between the unused negative post and the positive post of each cap. Since the capacitors (10) are of different values, some will output much more voltage individually, than the others connected next to it. That means that there are some capacitors that work much better than others when used in the Captret set up. Most capacitors may be worthless for this purpose, but some, especially like the camera Foto Flash ones, may be perfect. So, to find and use only the best capacitors for the Captret, will provide for a much more responsive output. I think that that is one of the reasons that we are not getting more consistent results from the different builders experimenting with this up to now.
So, What are the best capacitors to use ???

I will also make another type of battery set up to be used for the Captret, using D Cell batteries all placed end to end inside a 1 1/4 inch pvc tube. This will form a straight dipole (antenna?) made of the metal batteries, with over 20 volts output. This way the Captret's battery standing voltage will be much more stable, and may also work as an aether antenna. Possibly the same thing can be done with the capacitors (dipole) , so that they will also form as part of the antena system.
Don't break the dipole, he said...
Yes, I think that may be what is going on... the Captret is pulling in Aether.

PS. Reminds me of the motionless generator device that Winsonali was working on a year or so ago. It used two or three capacitors and a small DC input source to help in lowering the grids AC voltage consuption, by alot. There may be some similarities as to the how or why they both work.

[gravityblock]

As for the water captret it also seems to be a water battery, well, it's more water battery than any water battery out their. I say this because it seems it might be consuming the water as a power source, the water is being transformed into hydrogen and oxygen from what i'm seeing. And unlike a normal water battery where it has two dissimilar metals and one of the metals is consumed this water captret has the same metals and still produce power without consuming the metals themselves.

Both electrodes can be aluminum if you want to make a capacitor capable of working with ac voltages.

That is a myth that both electrodes must be of dissimilar metals.

GB

[Jbignes5]

What is sad...

Sadly it appear none of you can understand a circuit diagram! The capacitors arrangement is in no way charging anything and is used only as an impedance matching system between the exciters and the battery so that the "EXCITER" can properly charge the battery from which the potential is supplied to sustain its operation.

A simple understanding of how a diode functions is all that is required to inform you silly approach to electronics that the capacitor has "ZERO" affect on the battery.

Sad Gentleman - sad indeed you live in illusion.

Whats even a better example of being sad is your attempt at trying to dissuade these good folks from experimenting. ISN'T That what scientists do? What is really sad is you think this capacitor is acting like a capacitor in a normal circuit when actually it is not. It's not even in a normal circuit period, when connected in the captret style. Heck the diodes we connect are actually connected across two like polarities and they still work. Whoah...

I mean listen Conrad If you have nothing good to say then why bother? Why don't you go and do your... Whatever you do for the Good Doctor and leave us to researching this in peace...

[ABCStore]

A simple understanding of how a diode functions is all that is required to inform you silly approach to electronics that the capacitor has "ZERO" affect on the battery.

I'd recommend taking some English classes.

ABC

[conradphd]

Thank you.

I did see at the end of stifflers video he says it self charging, I laugh my head off! Self charging was one of the things he said a captret could never do.

I've had read a lot of electronics books, not all, and in all of them they never talk about what i'm seeing when it comes to the Captret.

The Captret is open, and thats what makes it great. I don't withhold anything and i share everything. I will continue work with the captret but it won't go anywhere without people like you who also work on it and bring new ideas to the table. I merely pointed the captret effect out, its the open community that will be the ones that make it great!

So please everyone continue to work and share you ideas on the captret, and then who knows what will happen?

Sadly it appear none of you can understand a circuit diagram! The capacitors arrangement is in no way charging anything and is used only as an impedance matching system between the exciters and the battery so that the "EXCITER" can properly charge the battery from which the potential is supplied to sustain its operation.

A simple understanding of how a diode functions is all that is required to inform you silly approach to electronics that the capacitor has "ZERO" affect on the battery.

Sad Gentleman - sad indeed you live in illusion.

[ibpointless2]

Listen stop letting the good Doctor effect your experiment. He didn't see any value in it before and still he doesn't see any value in it. But we do! The funny thing is when he showed the hybrid video at the end he says that the battery is gaining in voltage then says this can't be charging the battery then the video cuts off... ROFL...

It doesn't matter who found it first. The only thing that matters is that it is being experimented on.

With The JT I can run a great many leds and get the desired output of light that I need from only what flow of potential the captret will provide. The captret is not a current device. It is a voltage only device and to boot it will raise the voltage of the battery but as I and others have said it is a fluffy charge but when dealing with voltage only devices like Leds that works out great.

If no one has noticed while playing with the captret and leds that you can get weird results from the leds when you use your own body to connect the leads from the led to the captret. It lights almost the same so this potential coming from the captret is a much different beast then a heavy current producing device. This can show you how this energy of potential only can be conducted without loss across even resistors. The components you use in the circuits change in the way they react to this flow. Resistors do not convert this energy or flow but plainly hold this flow back like a dam. It is strange to see this and goes to show you that this separation of current from voltage is a real event and one that does not conform to traditional electronics theories.

We hear from a certain group that once you learn what electronics are you will change your opinion of this effect but to tell you the truth it does not follow any of the traditional theories we have. There is nothing in our theories that deals with a total separation of current from voltage. So this is where I say I know traditional theories and this does not fit in any description we have. Traditional electronics will never tell why this works, ever. So you can stop beating the drum that we lack the understanding of what is going on. Even the great Doctor was miffed that the battery was charging or appeared so.

Keep going Ibpointless2 you are in a new area of exploration and you will devise the rules that govern this new effect with the help of people who understand that there are more components to energy flows then we suspect.

Thank you.

I did see at the end of stifflers video he says it self charging, I laugh my head off! Self charging was one of the things he said a captret could never do.

I've had read a lot of electronics books, not all, and in all of them they never talk about what i'm seeing when it comes to the Captret.

The Captret is open, and thats what makes it great. I don't withhold anything and i share everything. I will continue work with the captret but it won't go anywhere without people like you who also work on it and bring new ideas to the table. I merely pointed the captret effect out, its the open community that will be the ones that make it great!

So please everyone continue to work and share you ideas on the captret, and then who knows what will happen?

[Jbignes5]

Maybe...

I don't think my Water captret is really a water captret, but it does show some capacitor and electret effect it just i don't want to confuse people with names. I name things the way i see it, and the water captret is just water and it acts like a capacitor and a electret so the name might stick. But for the record the water captret and the regular captret are two different thing that happen to be very same, if that makes any sense.

As for the water captret it also seems to be a water battery, well, it's more water battery than any water battery out their. I say this because it seems it might be consuming the water as a power source, the water is being transformed into hydrogen and oxygen from what i'm seeing. And unlike a normal water battery where it has two dissimilar metals and one of the metals is consumed this water captret has the same metals and still produce power without consuming the metals themselves.

So in-fact the water captret are merely batteries, when used produce hydrogen. So that voltage amiplication i was seeing in this video YouTube - Water Captret has negative resistance and produces Hydrogen was merely do to the fact that the water captret is a battery that was put in series to give me more voltage. So if you think this who experiment is a bust, you're forgetting that in order to have a water battery you needed two dissimilar metals but yet the water captret is the same metals that use regular old tap water- this is amazing.

The water captrets can be used by them selfs as batteries and they can be hooked in parallel and charge a capacitor too. when you do use them bubbles start to form on the pates and i believe they're hydrogen and oxygen bubbles. Whats even more crazy is that you can short the water captret out and bubbles will start form, so even when shorted its producing power. YouTube - Electrolysis with no power source needed.MP4
its crazy to think that you can make hydrogen without any power needed.

So this is what i've seen so far, its easy to copy this experiment and cheap too so please do try yourself.

A Joe cell comes to mind. Take a gander at the joe cell and see if there is a parallel to your experiment.