Captret - Perpetual Light with Dead Batteries

[ibpointless2]

oh and for those who think that nothing new is coming in, nothing amazing is happening then listen up. My captret is still lighting a LED for over a week at a constant light with NO lost in battery power!

Why is that amazing because the LED should have stop within a few seconds, when a capacitor is fully charge it becomes a open circuit and the led cuts off. Try it yourself, put a LED in series with a capacitor and run with a battery, watch the LED get bright and then dim and then off. Running for over a week is amazing, but running at no loss is spectacular.

[ibpointless2]

You know what gets me about this post. It is the fact that he is saying nothing new lets move on. Whoa please stop saying there is nothing new here. They are charging a source and netting a load to run as well and gaining
charge on the capacitor and you say this is nothing new?

Yes these are normal parts but they are being used in a new novel way. Probably not new way but one that was never really explored on here. The good Doctor drops in and says heh I've done that already. Care to elaborate? At least put a link to the specific information instead of saying look for it on my site.

My advice is to completely explore this avenue till it is completely dead. In fact if you finally understand what is really going on here you could in fact make this effect more efficient and smaller as well.

Start to look at the values you are using and see if there is some kind of resonance you are creating in this setup. I would start in ratio's. Maybe there is a key here and you can find a way to increase your output. Changing the load sizes and type of load as well are avenues that can be explored.

If you think you have something here then by all means go and explore it.

Thank you, i completely agree!

We do need to explore this as much as we can, that is why i made it open source so that everyone can come in show what they got and to better the experiment! When you get people who bring it down and say that they did that and don't further the movement then we get nowhere. We can fine tune this thing and really make it sing. there are so many possibilities out there that we have not explored.

To further the experiment i drawn a diagram of a captret circuit that flashes a LED and sends the energy from the top to + into a coil and the back emf charges a battery. Its a little rough but it should get the point across. I believe with this we can make a more efficient pulsed bedini SSG motor, two pulses for the price of one?

[Jbignes5]

Your measurements suggest the behaviour of a dynamic impedance between the [o] and the other cap leads. This explains all the captret effects. The current is high at the begining as the junction impedance is low. In time, the junction impedance increases and the current drops while the voltage bounces slightly back up.

Also, the captret can be seen as a voltage to current source converter which allows for the use of extremely low voltage source to power the LEDs. Unfortunately, these are all normal circuit behaviour.

We can safely conclude there is no extraordinary effects in the captret. Sorry friends, time to move on.

Miki Out.

You know what gets me about this post. It is the fact that he is saying nothing new lets move on. Whoa please stop saying there is nothing new here. They are charging a source and netting a load to run as well and gaining
charge on the capacitor and you say this is nothing new?

Yes these are normal parts but they are being used in a new novel way. Probably not new way but one that was never really explored on here. The good Doctor drops in and says heh I've done that already. Care to elaborate? At least put a link to the specific information instead of saying look for it on my site.

My advice is to completely explore this avenue till it is completely dead. In fact if you finally understand what is really going on here you could in fact make this effect more efficient and smaller as well.

Start to look at the values you are using and see if there is some kind of resonance you are creating in this setup. I would start in ratio's. Maybe there is a key here and you can find a way to increase your output. Changing the load sizes and type of load as well are avenues that can be explored.

If you think you have something here then by all means go and explore it.

Results so far from captret charging a super cap:

9 volt battery started out at 8.44 volts and now is up to 8.46 volts.

The charging super cap started out at .461 volts and now is up to .713 volts.

And previous---------------

Does anyone know a way to pulse the captret when it gets to a certain voltage?

If the potential stored in the captret is within the 9V range, you may try the Esaki flasher circuit below (and adapt):
Simplest_LED_Flasher_Circuit

As you mentioned before, there are plenty of opportunities for experimentation. Some ideas come to mind:

1) Run time constant tests of supercap via captret using higher voltage battery configuration - (i.e. next time, hook up a 24V battery to your 10F supercap setup (dropping the connection from the supercap "o" to the battery "+" terminal))

2) Pulse a bifilar coil using an Esaki triggered captret, using the BEMF recharge the battery.

3) Increase the affect by running the several captrets (and loads) in parallel. This would be interesting as it appears the working battery recharges during operation

Lastly,

I think you may be on to something as this affect appears to exploit a "charge-by-induction/polarisation" component of the capacitor. Efficiently creating work by this affect seems to have been overlooked, but may be the missing link (esp. in the HV research). The fact that the terminal configuration of these capacitors are radial in construction is probably helping (look up Aspen notes on Asymmetrical Capacitors), and therefore shouldn't be dismissed.

Cheers,

[ibpointless2]

Results so far from captret charging a super cap:

9 volt battery started out at 8.44 volts and now is up to 8.46 volts.

The charging super cap started out at .461 volts and now is up to .713 volts.

[Joit]

Could you please indicate the patents or any other document?

Thanks.

At a lot Patents from him.
He even has Patents at Capacitors like No. 567818.
But this is not my Point, but charging one Plate positive and another negative,
and having a 3rd close, it may can charge the 3rd Plate also,
for the costs of 2.

I did actually think too its a current voltage Matter, the Relation from
used current and Voltage gain or loss looks like it is,
but lighting a led twice makes me think about it.
There can only help some practical Tests, as some smart Comments,
what is really going on.

[barbosi]

This Captret reminds me to the Capacitors what Tesla in his Patents show.
They got actually 3 Plates also, ...

Could you please indicate the patents or any other document?

Thanks.

[DrStiffler]

Over at overunity.com i have been working on something i call the captret. Its a capacitor thats been modified to allow you to do things that the textbooks say you can't.

Captret - Capacitor and Electret

A simple video demo of me getting twice the Light from a LED for the price of only ONE charge.

YouTube - Captret PROOF OF OVERUNITY

Here is another video of the captret running a LED constantly.

YouTube - Captret LED Driver circuit


But the important thing to note is that when i'm using the "dead" 9 volt batteries the voltage goes down when first connected to the circuit but from there it goes up even though the LED is still connected as a load. The even more crazy part is that my "new" charged 9 volt batteries will drop when first connected to the circuit but keep slowly dropping, and this is what you would expect from any circuit but why does the dead batteries go up?

Sorry but this is not a new discovery. I worked with various configurations in 2008 and 2009. You can see some of the circuits at stiffler scientific.

http://67.76.235.52/e_seg01.asp

[ibpointless2]

Your measurements suggest the behaviour of a dynamic impedance between the [o] and the other cap leads. This explains all the captret effects. The current is high at the begining as the junction impedance is low. In time, the junction impedance increases and the current drops while the voltage bounces slightly back up.

Also, the captret can be seen as a voltage to current source converter which allows for the use of extremely low voltage source to power the LEDs. Unfortunately, these are all normal circuit behaviour.

We can safely conclude there is no extraordinary effects in the captret. Sorry friends, time to move on.

Miki Out.

Whoa, calm down there captain bring down.

I never built this to power your house, i was looking to make circuits more efficient. I can make a normal capacitor into two capacitors. Plus this is something that people never seen before, so we can't fully "move on" until all is explored.

You can't tell me this video doesn't make you wonder? YouTube - Captret PROOF OF OVERUNITY
Two flashes for the price of one, does that not make you wonder?

We will never reach overunity if we keep using the century old math and techniques. That is why i did something different then what i was taught in the electronics textbooks, i gave a capacitor 3 leads instead of their two. Sometimes you just got to think outside of the box and forget what they taught and have a open mind because things change; take for example it was common knowledge that the world was flat centuries ago.

I can think of many possibilities with the captret. use it in a pulse motor, pulse the captret part first and then the capacitor part and you've made a pulse motor more powerful!
Use it in charge something while you have a load on it.
Put the captrets in series to run many LED's in series without worrying about the voltage needing to be doubled every time.


So come on and explore with us.

[ibpointless2]

The charging super cap is still interesting, its using small amount of power to charge a super cap. The 9 volt is still at 8.44 volts and the super cap keeps going up. Another thing i notice when playing with my control, a super cap directly plug up to another 9 volt battery is that the super cap will drain the 9 volt quickly and gets the battery warm.

The important thing to notice is that the captret charger doesn't get the battery warm or even hot! it stays cool and that is very important because heat is just wasted energy. The captret may charge the super cap slower but it doesn't waste energy with a form of heat and that might be the reason why we get such great voltage readings? Everything runs cool, even the capacitors and wires especially when you consider the high voltage we need to get things going. Usually you wouldn't use a 24 gauge wire with 24 volt batteries but i have and they don't get hot ( would not recommend doing this). The captret is cool, pun intended.

[miki02131]

This is one of the first things I measured. When measured stand alone it starts around 1M ohm and goes up in a few seconds out of range of the meter. If you let it rest for a bit it can start from 400k ohm and go out of range.

However when you have used it in the above mentioned circuit it starts out negative goes through zero and starts to rise and go out of range over quite a bit of time.

Also for a more accurate light intensity reading it's best to use a photodiode:
Measure Light Intensity using Photodiode : Low Cost USB DAQ

Your measurements suggest the behaviour of a dynamic impedance between the [o] and the other cap leads. This explains all the captret effects. The current is high at the begining as the junction impedance is low. In time, the junction impedance increases and the current drops while the voltage bounces slightly back up.

Also, the captret can be seen as a voltage to current source converter which allows for the use of extremely low voltage source to power the LEDs. Unfortunately, these are all normal circuit behaviour.

We can safely conclude there is no extraordinary effects in the captret. Sorry friends, time to move on.

Miki Out.

[ibpointless2]

Charging a super cap is not as exciting as the LED but tell me what you think about it? below is the diagram of the circuit to use a captret to charge a super cap.

Does anyone know a way to pulse the captret when it gets to a certain voltage?

[digitz]

Cool experience
I used a 1000uF 10V cap and another one 100uF 100V cap , the led is brighter with the 100V cap.
My 9v battery voltage went down from 7.27v to 6.92 , then came up to 6.97v

I am leaving it overnight, i give you voltage readings tomorrow.

[ibpointless2]

I've replaced the LED with a 10F 2.3 volt super cap and it is charging it very nicely. The captret is connected to a 9 volt because a AA put out too low of a voltage. The 9 volt battery has been holding at 8.44 volts since the start and the super cap went from .378 volts to .481 volts.

I'm going to let it run over night and then test it to see if the super cap will run a LED.

This makes me wonder if i can take the super cap thats charging and send that power back to the main 9 volt battery using the captret effect, and hope to see it self charge?

[Joit]

ibpointless2

Hmmm?
how to upload picture?