Don't Kill Dipole

[boguslaw]

Sometimes when my 1.5V battery is dead I connect it to the 9V battery to recharge a bit, someday I was stupid and connected it in opposite and killed

and I can do the same with capacitor ,stupid habit
you never know how that thing is polarized after connecting

[boguslaw]

What does we told about this ?

In my mind that could not work ?

Sometimes when my 1.5V battery is dead I connect it to the 9V battery to recharge a bit, someday I was stupid and connected it in opposite and killed

[sebosfato]

Hello guys

I kept thinking... and i guess something very interesting crossed my mind...

You are ahead of electrostatic induction, the ability of a charged rod to charge infinitely times an electroscope. It is like this because you don't transfer the charge you only use the electric field force (due to the density of charge in the rod) to push the electrons inside the conductor (electroscope)

Electric field depends on three things, specific capacitance of the rod, witch defines the density of charge per area, and the mass and material of the rod. Because this would define the amount of free electrons that can move or also maximum charge that the rod can have.

Now what if the electroscope was substituted by an inductor? Wouldn't this flow of electrons create energy by its free movement due to the force?

So an EMF is developed across the inductor... (important thing is the ratio of mass of wire to mass of the rod)

if there is a capacitor in parallel with this inductor an oscillation will be set.

Now if the inducing rod is also part of a resonant circuit having the same natural frequency of the induced, the charges (inducing) would induce energy in the tank for every cycle.

Even if is not very big amount of joules per cycle, you can make this cycles to become hundreds of thousands times in one second... And the energy lost would be that of the resistance of the wires dissipating heat because of the electrons flow.

Thus density of charges, doing work, or electric field doing work.

I think that is a matter of equating the mass of the rod to the mass of the induced (coil)

thus using electric field to induce magnetic field in an inductor by force acting on the free electrons of the wire thus not consuming energy.. (actually consuming but only the energy needed to place the force where you want to achieve the desired effect.


Basically not killing the dipole. Using the dipole not as a source of energy but as a source of force.

I guess might be the only way.

I'm thinking about if this would be possible using magnetic induction, however i'm not sure if is possible. If is the most advanced way would be to combine both the magnetic and electrostatic induction.

Tesla were ahead of this and he used the sky electrostatic field to sustain his oscillations, he knew that the only energy he needed to put in was that to oscillate the charges... Thats why he could transfer energy around the globe. was not about electromagnetic transmission, He created an oscillation on the sky so if you connect the right antenna and "radiant" "energy" charge collectors you could use the energy for free... as the energy from this electrostatic field on the sky come straight from the sun.

I will keep investigating.

I need to determine how much field and mass the rod might have to induce certain current, than i can provide a device design to prove the concept.

If any of you know how to determine the amount of charge that would flow inside a conductor due to electrostatic induction force, please help me. I believe it has to do with the resistivity of the material, its mass, the force, and the geometric configuration..

Thanks
Regards

[FrancLand]

I'm trying to understand but it still hasn't quite made the light go off in my head.... If you have a charged battery not connected to a load this would be considered a dipole?

So in order to not kill the dipole you would need a single wire with a load on the end and a device that could switch the other end from pos to neg extreemly fast changing the potential of that wire thus powering the load. Therefore nothing is removed or added to the battery... ?????

I guess I'm looking for an analogy that will give me that " ah ha " moment. Until that moment of understanding happens, nothing can be built.

What does we told about this ?

In my mind that could not work ?

[sucahyo]

It is again possible we just need to give electric slaps (rise time go away to 0 seconds )

I see that as the most difficult problem. T believe no one yet reach the level of Tesla digital signal sharpness.

Most people forget that in order to drive the transistor fast you also need a fast driver circuit. A fast engine need a good oversized tire. And yet I see people use the most exotic transistor but driving it with optocoupler or 555, directly.

Whats the magnetic field around a spark gap? can anyone just put a coil near and measure?

An electrode around spark or spark inside a coil are an implementation of Tesla MHD.

[Jbignes5]

Well...

I believe this common ground is the magnetism, i think that if we could accelerate particles or ions with permanent magnetism we could reach what we want, because than is only about creating the ions and their velocity would be provided for free and we know that ions in movement = electricity or magnetic field.

I'm maturing this idea.

Whats the magnetic field around a spark gap? can anyone just put a coil near and measure?

Magnetism and high voltage don't go together. Thats the problem. Magnetism needs a high charge to work. Since High voltage has very few charges in itself it is hard to get a reading on the magnetic field. The common ground is what I suspect runs all movement, even magnetic fields in our world. There has to be a mechanism that responds to the potential only and is attracted to it's opposite. Lets take for example voltage. Voltage is the actuator or attractor of mobile charges. Like wise charges are the motion of force. When you initiate a voltage potential it attracts the conductors of voltage to line up and seek mobile charges to fulfill the imbalance in the surrounding space.

If we look at a magnet we will all agree that they are made in a high charge field (magnetic). This locks in the alignment within the magnet and creates a field of charges that are balanced with the magnets structure. This also locks in the charges around the magnet into a charge field. This field is not moving and is maintained by the magnet. The charges do not move in the sense that they rotate or cycle. Even though they are movable they are quasi locked into the field that is maintained by the magnet. They will move if you make them and it explains why steel or iron acts the way it does seeing that only the transfer portion of the network is in all matter, just in different densities. The charges have always been outside of matter except for the binding charges that holds that matter together but those charges are rather low at best. It could be that by providing a high charge field during magnet creation it is causing a vacuum of charges in the material and thats how the field maintains itself around the magnet after the magnet cools down while in that field allowing it to lock in the imbalance and keep the field around itself.

A rather long tutorial about magnetics and transformers:

Magnetics - Transformer Modeling

This should be from the guy who designs spice transformers. The 4th link is very interesting in that series of transformer basics.

[sebosfato]

I believe this common ground is the magnetism, i think that if we could accelerate particles or ions with permanent magnetism we could reach what we want, because than is only about creating the ions and their velocity would be provided for free and we know that ions in movement = electricity or magnetic field.

I'm maturing this idea.

Whats the magnetic field around a spark gap? can anyone just put a coil near and measure?

[Jbignes5]

hi francland,

i however think that this is part of what is need to be understood when you want to create over unity.

Maybe if you could discharge really fast you would use the potential like a shock wave and the dipole would not be able to discharge. Probably concentrating the energy in a small time. Well just a thought.

Another thing to consider is that when you raise the frequency you raise the energy. so if by any mean we make an oscillatory circuit to abruptly change frequency during operation while not dissipating the energy this energy would become greater somehow. Tesla investigated about this in 1892.

i was considering to make an oscillation tank witch is have non linear energy handling. In the sense that when the capacitor reach 0 volts instead of reversing polarity and charge, it will by action of coupled inductor and diodes and switch means therefore, charge again with the same polarity,while keeping the current and voltage phase difference. I was thinking that i will also try discharging the other half of the charge that supposed to go to the capacitor on the same core during this second cycle governed by bifilar coil and diode action coupled in the same core. I expect this to cause a kind of magnetization of the core to a higher degree, as per inductors meant for inertia and thus current want to keep going in one direction.

What i want to achieve is what i would call an inductive battery. That can keep its charge without being energized for a small period of time at least.

This in my opinion would allow to extract energy some how of permanent magnetic fields..

if a charge could be accelerated in a magnetic field, a magnet and a spark gap could lead to increase in energy of the current, however if the impedance keeps the same this increase in (velocity) would lead only to heat and destruction of the spark gap, but if the voltage and current are not in phase you can use this to raise the voltage. Witch is what i think that tesla was doing. like the photoelectric effect but using only high voltage.

I would recommend you to read paul brown atomic battery resonance. Is of great worth.

Well the source we are looking for is battery like so yes you have the right idea. Since coils can and will act like a capacitor you do have a battery of sorts, especially when you spread out the coils of wire.

We are very close to a new method here based off what we can see of the experiments of Tesla and the experimenters after Tesla's time. Gray was one who actually came the closest to figuring it out, well his engineer almost did. We are not that far away.

The trick to spark gaps is to spread the surface area out, we already know this fact. If we use the Tesla improvement to the gap bu using multiple sparks gaps we spread out the charge gathering as well. This does two things, it allows for greater life of the spark gap and also improves the charge gathering action without killing the electrodes in the process.

Hey I'm all for debating this. It is the only thing that will get our theories advanced. If we don't get challenged, how can we learn anything and improve our theories? There has to be a common ground that will tie everything together. I am sure we shall find this common ground.

[sebosfato]

Hi sebosfato : I do not know for the answer but you can ask to author at this
e-mail : [email protected]

sucahyo ,I understand you :there is two system actualy to give the slaps we need to
extract radiant energy !:
1. to use bemf with Electromagnetic induction from motor for example .
2. spark from HV with capacitor(s).
(Radiant energy can be used like it or converted in coulomb charges flow .

But to answer to topic - do not kill dipole -
Why do not use degenerate semiconducter like the fogal transistor
us patent (by google patents) :
-5 196 809 High gain low distortion faster switching transistor
-5 430 413 High gain low distortion faster switching transistor
This is the answer to Slovenia problem because no charge flows throw circuit just radiant energy !
But perhaps it is not again on the market ?!

hi francland,

i however think that this is part of what is need to be understood when you want to create over unity.

Maybe if you could discharge really fast you would use the potential like a shock wave and the dipole would not be able to discharge. Probably concentrating the energy in a small time. Well just a thought.

Another thing to consider is that when you raise the frequency you raise the energy. so if by any mean we make an oscillatory circuit to abruptly change frequency during operation while not dissipating the energy this energy would become greater somehow. Tesla investigated about this in 1892.

i was considering to make an oscillation tank witch is have non linear energy handling. In the sense that when the capacitor reach 0 volts instead of reversing polarity and charge, it will by action of coupled inductor and diodes and switch means therefore, charge again with the same polarity,while keeping the current and voltage phase difference. I was thinking that i will also try discharging the other half of the charge that supposed to go to the capacitor on the same core during this second cycle governed by bifilar coil and diode action coupled in the same core. I expect this to cause a kind of magnetization of the core to a higher degree, as per inductors meant for inertia and thus current want to keep going in one direction.

What i want to achieve is what i would call an inductive battery. That can keep its charge without being energized for a small period of time at least.

This in my opinion would allow to extract energy some how of permanent magnetic fields..

if a charge could be accelerated in a magnetic field, a magnet and a spark gap could lead to increase in energy of the current, however if the impedance keeps the same this increase in (velocity) would lead only to heat and destruction of the spark gap, but if the voltage and current are not in phase you can use this to raise the voltage. Witch is what i think that tesla was doing. like the photoelectric effect but using only high voltage.

I would recommend you to read paul brown atomic battery resonance. Is of great worth.

[FrancLand]

wish i was wrong, if i'm, please prove me wrong..

Hi sebosfato : I do not know for the answer but you can ask to author at this
e-mail : [email protected]

sucahyo ,I understand you :there is two system actualy to give the slaps we need to
extract radiant energy !:
1. to use bemf with Electromagnetic induction from motor for example .
2. spark from HV with capacitor(s).
(Radiant energy can be used like it or converted in coulomb charges flow .

But to answer to topic - do not kill dipole -
Why do not use degenerate semiconducter like the fogal transistor
us patent (by google patents) :
-5 196 809 High gain low distortion faster switching transistor
-5 430 413 High gain low distortion faster switching transistor
This is the answer to Slovenia problem because no charge flows throw circuit just radiant energy !
But perhaps it is not again on the market ?!

[sebosfato]

Otherwise ,there is theJean Zoltazn Szili that I not tested ! :

instructions here at rexreasearch :
Jean Szili -- Zero Point Energy extraction circuit

or there is also that a system that consume no charges but the dc-dc step-up transformer for the solid state model feel me no possible (only in theory):
Free Energy Plans (pdf document) free file download at fliiby.com

If you think this is over unity, now use an rms meter, instead of a peak meter.

You can of course use low ma during charging and than discharge it all in once... is not over unity, my friend..

A resonant tank can also circulate many kw of power burning capacitors and inductors with as little as 100w... and is not over unity, is just accumulated power...

In the case of this circuit you are charging the inductor thru a resistor and discharging on the other. the discharge time constant is dictated by L/R thus the lower the resistance the bigger the time constant and vice versa thus if you charge the inductor for 10ns and discharge it in 1ns you get a peak 10x bigger, however is a peak.


wish i was wrong, if i'm, please prove me wrong..

Regards

[FrancLand]

Jbignes5 and everyone, I believe that we can have different understanding of what Tesla actually doing. This different understanding may lead to different way of achieving thing.

Spark for instance, I think that the driver to generate that spark is also important, more important than the spark gap. One thing I trying to achieve is suddenness. And I notice that this suddenness produce different result.

I also consider what Tesla use as something that is not electric and magnetic. So effort to convert it to usable energy is important. I think the key to replicate Tesla arrow circuit or Grey is the understanding of it.

Notice that Tesla can implement his coil for health application. If you can not or even experiencing headache or other illness then you are going to the wrong direction.

To extract energy from a system , the latter need to receive " slaps " ,that is to say
voltage must be like this (theory) for example : [0V-30 000V] - . . . - [0V-30 000V] - with a rise time -> 0 s !

Same with low voltage 130V
It is again possible we just need to give electric slaps (rise time go away to
0 seconds )

Gray circuit feel me a good idea to start replica to prove overunity (?)

[FrancLand]

Otherwise ,there is theJean Zoltazn Szili that I not tested ! :

instructions here at rexreasearch :
Jean Szili -- Zero Point Energy extraction circuit

or there is also that a system that consume no charges but the dc-dc step-up transformer for the solid state model feel me no possible (only in theory):
Free Energy Plans (pdf document) free file download at fliiby.com

[sucahyo]

Jbignes5 and everyone, I believe that we can have different understanding of what Tesla actually doing. This different understanding may lead to different way of achieving thing.

Spark for instance, I think that the driver to generate that spark is also important, more important than the spark gap. One thing I trying to achieve is suddenness. And I notice that this suddenness produce different result.

I also consider what Tesla use as something that is not electric and magnetic. So effort to convert it to usable energy is important. I think the key to replicate Tesla arrow circuit or Grey is the understanding of it.

Notice that Tesla can implement his coil for health application. If you can not or even experiencing headache or other illness then you are going to the wrong direction.

[FrancLand]

Hi everybody and Slovenia !

In relation to pierce arrow car , does it would exist a kind of relation with circuit
and motor of E. Gray , especially with tube of conversion and his driving system
(switcher - rectifier and anode triger) ?
Thanks.
@bye