Don't Kill Dipole

[Jbignes5]

Well why not take it in the spirit it was intended.

Jbignes5,

It's clear that Rebus57 has a background in Tesla related stuff too. I want him to keep sharing with all of us here. Your post comes across a little arrogant like he's and idiot and you are a smarter guy. That's just how it came across to me, kind of a brow beat sort of deal. I like you and I like what you have shared with us. It seems that we are all going different directions and that is okay too. I was naive and thought maybe we could share as a team but maybe that won't work after all.

Jbignes5, I know you are a very smart well read guy and I do respect that very much. There are many lazy guys in the world and you are not one of them.

What you were mentioning in your post probably had some relevance but it was the way you said it that it came out like a put down to Rebus57. It's complicated working together because we are all so different.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

So My post got removed and now I can not see your side of this. Like I said it caught me off guard that he would not know this subject seeing that Tesla was just about totally about the spark gap. He went to great lengths to show how one could improve it so that he could deal with the kind of frequencies that he thought were related to the natural energy we are seeking.

On the subject of not agreeing, you will always have that and if played out thats where the real meat of this pans out. Meaning we get more from seeing the outcome of the disagreement.

Obviously I was misinformed to his extent of education in the area of Tesla and Tesla related devices. I did not intend to bash him but when someone tells you that the person is well versed and studied vast amount of Tesla stuff you take it for granted. I reacted the way I did because it is not true what he said. Yes Tesla did the experiment of capacitance, surface area and how it affects the spark gap even in the extreme cases but he used that to figure out a better way to setup the gap so that it would be less destructive to the components of that gap.

I gave complete references to these writings that tell how to deal with this all along in this thread. It wouldn't take long to read back and get caught up in the direction we were heading.

[Slovenia]

I like you Jbignes5

Jbignes5,

It's clear that Rebus57 has a background in Tesla related stuff too. I want him to keep sharing with all of us here. Your post comes across a little arrogant like he's and idiot and you are a smarter guy. That's just how it came across to me, kind of a brow beat sort of deal. I like you and I like what you have shared with us. It seems that we are all going different directions and that is okay too. I was naive and thought maybe we could share as a team but maybe that won't work after all.

Jbignes5, I know you are a very smart well read guy and I do respect that very much. There are many lazy guys in the world and you are not one of them.

What you were mentioning in your post probably had some relevance but it was the way you said it that it came out like a put down to Rebus57. It's complicated working together because we are all so different.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

[Jbignes5]

Hmm

"Jbignes5,

I don't like this cheap shot at our new friend Rebus57. It's unnecessary and unfriendly.

Best Regards,
Slovenia"

Explain the cheap shot. My comment was to point him in the right direction not to do any sort of shot twords Rebus...

Listen guys I will try to elate why the spark gap is very important to this method. Once you have a potential only you need to mix it with the real charges in the environment. That is why Tesla used the spark gaps. Also he used them as a timing method that could get him to where he needed to be in frequency. So we have 2 problems taken cared of by the gap.

This has always been the problem as of late. OOO spark gaps are soo boring but it is a part of the method to convert these energies, like it or not. We need the interaction of the environment in these systems because they rely on that interaction. If you get rid of the gap you need to provide a way for the potential to realize it's true power. Another method would be an antenna system but I have been having problems getting the antenna system to operate without the spark gap. It seems to be a fundamental component and relies heavily on that.

And now for something completely different:

This post I was answering but somehow got taken out of context. Let me try this again:

"During Tesla's Colorado Springs time he was peforming experiment's with very high voltage a million+ volts and his visible spark gap wasn't getting it done. After a few minutes operation they would errode away, get wider due to erosion and make the circuit unstable. He found a solution, he placed on the floor a flat metal plate and connected this to one side of the spark gap, he hung from the rafter's "some distance from the plate" two 20in dia metal sphere's and connected them to the other side of the spark gap, the circuit was "set into motion" as he puts it and height adjusted on sphere's until proper parameter's of circuit were observed. This setup was reported to work with high stability for hours on end, he said there was no visible spark only transfer of electron's sufficent to allow circuit to function normally. This is how I see cc and output tube's designed, sufficent volume of transfer prevent's the unstable visible spark, the larger volume transfer is a much more even flow compared to more concentrated smaller visible spark."

The problem with electrode degradation was answered by Tesla in his earlier experiments. He used Multiple spark gaps that were set much closer. It would allow the spark to happen but it would be shared among a great many contacts lessening the destruction of the electrodes and making the spark gap much quieter. Obviously Rebus must have missed this since he has read on the Colorado Springs experiments. My attempt to point out this overlook and refocus him to reading more about that was taken as rather rude. Hmmm I apologize if that was the case it was not meant that way. I was kinda taken aback that Rebus who seems to be well read on Tesla would not know something as simple as the different spark gaps that Tesla did use and improved.

So here is the link of the different spark gaps and their uses:

"Experiments with Alternate Currents of High Potential and High Frequency"

Figures 5 & 6 are the spark gaps that Tesla suggested.

[sucahyo]

This setup was reported to work with high stability for hours on end, he said there was no visible spark only transfer of electron's sufficent to allow circuit to function normally.

You are using non spiky spark gap then? I wonder if tesla tune it with sound?

[Slovenia]

Rebus57 Stuff

I started a new thread for the Rebus57 stuff. Please check it out if you like.

[dragon]

It seems to me it would be much more efficient finding a way not to use a sparkgap system. While experimenting with the smith unit as well as a passive oscillator, charging large caps to 6kv and higher, I found the spark gap could be removed and replaced by plates. There was no visible sparks but you could hear an auditable crackling, like wrinkling plastic saran wrap. Just like a spark gap but far enough appart where it couldn't make the jump and with enough area on the plates for the exchange to take place.

The passive oscillator worked very well and would run for up to 17 hours, unfortunately any attempt I made at the time to extract anything useable from it resulted in failure. I learned from it and moved on. Now I can see another use for it...

I built Rebus57's output circuit to test the theory. I used 2 matched Sgates and only high resistance on the bottom of the circuit. The input was from a FG at 1mhz and the load was 2 LED's on AV plugs with the grounds attatched between them. Manually switching the ends, essentially removing the resistance on one side, did indeed create a potential difference between the lines. The LED's were more of a detector than a load but it proved it does work as one LED would extinguish or become extreemly dim the other would be full bright. A very fun and enlightening experiment.
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[dragon]

Sounds closely related to Dr. Stifflers Sgate......
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[Rebus57]

Visible vs Invisible

During Tesla's Colorado Springs time he was peforming experiment's with very high voltage a million+ volts and his visible spark gap wasn't getting it done. After a few minutes operation they would errode away, get wider due to erosion and make the circuit unstable. He found a solution, he placed on the floor a flat metal plate and connected this to one side of the spark gap, he hung from the rafter's "some distance from the plate" two 20in dia metal sphere's and connected them to the other side of the spark gap, the circuit was "set into motion" as he puts it and height adjusted on sphere's until proper parameter's of circuit were observed. This setup was reported to work with high stability for hours on end, he said there was no visible spark only transfer of electron's sufficent to allow circuit to function normally. This is how I see cc and output tube's designed, sufficent volume of transfer prevent's the unstable visible spark, the larger volume transfer is a much more even flow compared to more concentrated smaller visible spark.

[sucahyo]

In other words: Would it be possible to generate an electro-magnetic force whout having the POS and NEG balancing/neutralizing/destroy?

It is possible if we believe there are other energy that is not electro-magnetic.

For instance, some believe that this other energy also exist on a battery. If we can convert this energy into the electricity we can build a big battery without the need to use the battery current and only utilize the other energy.

Edit: this other energy also exist on crystal.

Unfortunately there is no complete instruction on how to build a device that can convert this other energy into electricity. Hint can be seen on Paulo Correa work. People who do experiment with tensor energy has obtain tensor generation without power but still can not convert it to electricity. Alex Sciffer mention excees of other energy being converted to electricity, but that require hard to replicate joe cell.

Anyone researching this other energy will have to make their own road.

[Aromaz]

Do not destroy the Dipole . . .

What we have to begin considering is the real value of creating energy (electricity) without destroying the dipole. In other words: Would it be possible to generate an electro-magnetic force whout having the POS and NEG balancing/neutralizing/destroy?

What if we swop the word POTENTIAL with TENSION. If by some means we can create TENSION in two objects, then we will have a 'field' of tension around them and we can tap into that field; thus NOT ever destroying the tension that created and maintain the field.

In example; certain minerals (i.e. quarts, tourmaline) creates an EM field when placed under presure - tension.

[Slovenia]

Great Principles

There are some great principles to be learned if you study the summary on the Project X Drawing from Rebus57. Just magnify it up so you can read it and I think you'll have to agree that it's a great read.

[cikljamas]

Is there somewhere kind of a detailed plan for doing this thing (pictures in post 1444):

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/271-electric-motor-secrets-49.html

and this thing to :

http://www.energeticforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6721&stc=1&d=1287844563

[Jbignes5]

Theory only :
Every capacitor store electric field nothing more, charges cling to the field where they cannot pass further so it appear that they are what capacitor store, and our method of charging is the worst because we force charges to accumulate at plates which require energy lost to push them and they are the source of electric field inside capacitor.That's my theory

Very good.. Leyden jars/capacitors do the job of conversion in conjunction with a spark gap. The problem with most is that they don't use them in a condenser type setup and use them as a tank instead.

Like I said before capacitors have a dual function. One of collecting and another of converting. As a collector it is self evident but as a converter we have barely touched on that. The conversion process must also include a way for static to mix with real charges from an outside source. Usually this needs an antenna or inlet of the charges.

As for the leyden jars those are very easy to make. Glass jar like a mason jar. Foil around that with an oil inside. Center electrode isolated from the outside foil and walla. In my perfect version of the leyden jar I would use white powder of gold around an electrode going into that. Of course that would have to have a small glass or dielectric container for the center powder and electrode.

I am fully convinced that some forms of silicon has the ability to convert some of this energy as well.

[boguslaw]

The 90 degree angle is interesting. Some believe interaction of tempic field require those.

I thought your circuit use spark gap? And spark gap is naturally unstable?

John Bedini at agricultural section mention that the output energy may also have relation with sun position.

Don't worry with the delay .

Sine wave? If you never try digital, can you try my stingo? because I believe my circuit is the only circuit that utilize coil spike to switch transistor.

Digital but with positive offset?

There are many hints that suggest a leyden jar can store not just normal electricity but other type of energy too.

Theory only :
Every capacitor store electric field nothing more, charges cling to the field where they cannot pass further so it appear that they are what capacitor store, and our method of charging is the worst because we force charges to accumulate at plates which require energy lost to push them and they are the source of electric field inside capacitor.That's my theory

[boguslaw]

Hi Jbignes5,



I also think that we need to find a suitable method to do that, I think this could be very usefull for a number of different collection methods or different devices for generating or collecting static charges.

Does a normal tv antenna collect static charges ? Is that what causes my tv to have bad reception when it's windy ? If yes what does normally happen to these static charges ? Can I collect static from my tv antenna ?

Actually I should try to find out for myself, but how do i know if the info I find on the net elsewhere I correct. It is hard to know.

Maybe it's been mentioned elsewhere and iv'e missed it.

Anyhow I like your thoughts direction Jbignes5.

Cheers

Whats the easiest and most effective way to make a small layden jar for experimenting with possible sources of static, I made one from a glass jar with aluminium wrapped around the outside and steel wool inside with a central electrode (bolt) protruding through the lid of the jar but it doesn't seem to work so good it may be too large for the amount of static available I think. Should I try a different way with two copper cylinders inside each other and glass between ?

Nice think think think

The Avramenko's experiment