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  • sucahyo
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    Originally posted by NickZ View Post
    Sucahyo:
    Thanks for the info on the shock treatment. I had never heard of it.
    I'll have to give it a try.
    Really ? . I don't think you need to jolt on each treatment. Under bearable level is ok I guess.

    Your jolt and water capacitor remind me of Benjamin Franklin, for health, but I think distantly relevant to the purposes of storing the voltage:
    The Turn Of The Century Electrotherapy Museum Tesla Library
    Some years since, when the newspaper made mention of great cures performed in Italy or Germany, by means of electricity, a number of paralyticks were brought to me, from different parts of Pensylvania, and the neighbouring provinces, to be electrified; which I did for them at their request. My method was, to place the patient first in a chair, on an electrical stool, and draw a number of large strong spark from all parts of the affected limb or side. Then I fully charged to six gallon glass jars, each of which had about three square feet of surface coated; and I sent the united shock of these through the afffected limb or limbs, repeating the stroke commonly three times each day. The first thing observed, was an immediate greater sensible warmth in the lame limbs, that had received the stroke, than in others; and the next morning the patients usually related that the had, in the night, felt a pricking sensastion in the flesh of the paralytick limbs; and would sometimes shew a number os small red spots, which the fuppoled we occasioned by those prickings. The limbs too we found more capable of voluntary motion, and seemed to receive strength. A man, for instance, sho could not the first day lift the lame hand from off his knee, would the next day raise it four and five inches, the third day higher, and on the fifth day was able, but with feeble languid motion, to take off his hat.
    These appearance gave great spirit to the patients, and made them hope a perfect cure; but I do not remember, that I ever saw any amendments after the fifth day; which the patients perceiving, and finding the shocks pretty severe, they became discouraged, went home and in a short time, relapsed; for that I never knew any advantage from electricity, in palsies, that was permanent. And how far the apparent temporary advantage might arise, from the exercise in the patients journey and coming daily to my house, or from the spirit given by the hope of success enabling them to exert more strength in moving their limbs, I will not pretend to say.
    Perhaps some permanent advantage might have been obtained if the electric shocks had been accompanied with proper medicine and regimen, under the direction of skilful phyisician. It may be too, that a few great strokes, as given in my method, may not be so proper as many small ones; since, by the account from Scotland, of a cafe in which 200 shocks from a phial we given daily, it seems that a perfect cure has been made. As to any uncommon strength supposed to be in the machine used in that cafe, I imagine it could have no share in the effect produced; since the strength of the shock, from the charged glass, is in proportion to the quantity of the surface of the glass coated; so that my shock, from there fore large jars much have been much greater than any that could received from a phial held in the hand. I am, with great respect.
    It seem they charge using electrostatic machine (wimhurst?) at that time. Converting voltage to current maybe...

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  • NickZ
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    I just found out that my cement batteries may not work because of the plastic coating on the cans. I'll make new beach sand batteries tomorrow after sanding the inside of each can first. A meter does not show conductivity.

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  • NickZ
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    Sucahyo:
    Thanks for the info on the shock treatment. I had never heard of it.
    I'll have to give it a try.

    Capacitors are really very very interesting things. How they can help a 15 volt output joule thief to reach and charge and even hold several hundred volts is amazing. I'll bet your son loves them, ha. I remember my father used to charge up some big huge caps and short them out in from of me, bang!!!
    Maybe home-made capacitors, can be connected to a bank of cement batteries. That would charge up together like "parallel charging", and supply some output 24/7. A lot higher than a volt or two. Just seam to me that capacitors and batteries can work hand in hand to store what the caps and batteries together can produce, but discharge it slowly, so it lasts longer.

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  • sucahyo
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    Originally posted by blackchisel97 View Post
    I used a small motor (laser) from an old portable CD player. It runs on 3V.
    Here are two pics of water:
    Thank you. I just think that maybe disc swirler can be faster without much turbulance of a blade.

    You result remind me of this result:
    The one glass containing soil and the other pebbles from a lake.


    A glass of plain water after the experiments in the freezer
    Originally posted by NickZ View Post
    Sucahyo:
    Some medical condition that you once had before is gone now, due to this kind of shock treatment?
    If you rather PM you can, I just don't seam to always notice them.
    Another quake in Japan?
    Three days after full moon are the worst effects noticed on the pacific ocean tides, here.
    Yes, different references mention man got cured with shock .

    I see earth quake happen more often in south of Indonesia, hopefully no quake will be big.

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  • NickZ
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    Sucahyo:
    Some medical condition that you once had before is gone now, due to this kind of shock treatment?
    If you rather PM you can, I just don't seam to always notice them.
    Another quake in Japan?
    Three days after full moon are the worst effects noticed on the pacific ocean tides, here.

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  • blackchisel97
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    Originally posted by sucahyo View Post
    Vtech, it seems pyramid swirler do not produce swirl within swirl, so maybe the result would be less powerfull. I will look forward for your picture .
    I wonder if faster charging with spinning also apply to battery ......
    About swirling water, I have been thinking on using disc. Although I still don't have good enough driver, the current one allow rotation of left and right.
    YouTube - Spinning water with harddisk stingo motor
    I used a small motor (laser) from an old portable CD player. It runs on 3V.
    Here are two pics of water:
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    [IMG][/IMG]


    Vtech

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  • blackchisel97
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    Originally posted by NickZ View Post
    Blackchisel:
    I was wondering, after admiring your resin cast star coil, how it would work connected a couple of of your cement batteries.
    You sure do nice clean work, keep it up.
    I still want to have at least one or two working cement batteries. You have encouraged me.
    I'll try the beach -sand, baking-soda, copper coil turned in through itself, beer can battery, before I give up. My big Hilda battery did not work either, only to give me a couple good shocks while I wasn't looking. Now that Sucahyo said that some shocks are good for you, I might not mind as much. But, when that thing zapped me,
    I jumped through the roof...
    I'll check into a couple of videos and get back to you. Interesting stuff going on all over.
    My small starship incorporated into oscillator draws 90mA, regardless of LED's, either one or 25. Cement batteries (at least mine) will not provide more than 20mA. Not enough to get going. My small monopole rotor needs only 7.5 - 8mA and another oscillator with coil wound on small piece of iron will power LED on 3.7mA and 0.7V, so for testing cement batteries they are better. I didn't use beach sand since they are still covered in snow. I used traction sand/gravel, fish tank gravel and crushed rocks. Most have silicate added either water glass or radiator seal. I found copper one working better than aluminum. I also have one with copper sulphide crystals from electrolysis.


    Vtech

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  • sucahyo
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    Vtech, it seems pyramid swirler do not produce swirl within swirl, so maybe the result would be less powerfull. I will look forward for your picture .


    I wonder if faster charging with spinning also apply to battery ......



    What do you mean by frequency, Robur?


    NickZ, what I mean by a good thing being shocked is if you miss (cured) one or two long pain or illness you have? Something small ?


    About swirling water, I have been thinking on using disc. Although I still don't have good enough driver, the current one allow rotation of left and right.
    YouTube - Spinning water with harddisk stingo motor
    Last edited by sucahyo; 03-23-2011, 06:46 AM.

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  • NickZ
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    Blackchisel:
    I was wondering, after admiring your resin cast star coil, how it would work connected a couple of of your cement batteries.
    You sure do nice clean work, keep it up.
    I still want to have at least one or two working cement batteries. You have encouraged me.
    I'll try the beach -sand, baking-soda, copper coil turned in through itself, beer can battery, before I give up. My big Hilda battery did not work either, only to give me a couple good shocks while I wasn't looking. Now that Sucahyo said that some shocks are good for you, I might not mind as much. But, when that thing zapped me,
    I jumped through the roof...
    I'll check into a couple of videos and get back to you. Interesting stuff going on all over.
    robur: I'll e-mail you, soon as I get yours.

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  • NickZ
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    robur
    I did not get your e-mail as far as I know.
    Please send it to me again, put for the subject: Attention! I will look for it.

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  • robur
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    Originally posted by NickZ View Post
    @ robur
    Thanks for the explanation. Did you see my PMs to you?
    I can see spinning a water vortex using a small Dc motor and propeller to spin the water inside a container (capacitor), like the Bc's example shown above. Solar panel can provide the power for the Dc motor to "spin freely"
    What about using ferrofluid instead of water? Using a vortex coil to spin a ferrofluid vortex inside a donut shaped tube, instead of water, or you think water is better? Water I got... and it looks like the water does not need to be replaced, and can circulate like in a capacitor "radiator".
    How to tap the spinning vortex? My favorite question... I don't suppose you grab it by the tail?
    I seen PMs yes but i had no answer on my e-mail to you.

    Ahh ferro fluid again.
    I would rather not play with this. in 2003 this costed me dearly

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  • blackchisel97
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    More water tests

    I made two samples (bigger this time) of water and left overnight under and over the cones connected to a 6V battery. They're almost frozen solid. Will take a pic's after supper. Interesting shape of frozen mass inside (round) and very clear however, there is a crystal like sharp, wing shape inside of one sample. I've never seen anything like that before.
    Will post.


    Vtech

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  • NickZ
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    @ robur
    Thanks for the explanation. Did you see my PMs to you?
    I can see spinning a water vortex using a small Dc motor and propeller to spin the water inside a container (capacitor), like the Bc's example shown above. Solar panel can provide the power for the Dc motor to "spin freely"
    What about using ferrofluid instead of water? Using a vortex coil to spin a ferrofluid vortex inside a donut shaped tube, instead of water, or you think water is better? Water I got... and it looks like the water does not need to be replaced, and can circulate like in a capacitor "radiator".
    How to tap the spinning vortex? My favorite question... I don't suppose you grab it by the tail?

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  • robur
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    Originally posted by robur View Post
    If you spin water it's moleculas gain charge 4-5 times faster then if stationary.
    Because as they move more of them move past charging point at any given time - so the over all speed increasses and a lot.

    @ Nick
    I was thinking how to make the distilled water spin in Aether field withing a capasitor which then you can discharge.
    1 other thing - water vortex creats HV yes.But you need to collect it.
    Aether vortex is in some way if i may say so similar towater the faster it spins the more power it has.

    Speed of the vortex is determined by it's frequency. Dropping frequency may not be a good idea as when you drop the frequency speed drop would follow.

    Thanks

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  • robur
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    Originally posted by sucahyo View Post
    Interesting that spinning can increase charge.

    Lol, human curiosity is interesting. Your story remind me of my son's story. He know for sure that whenever I put one wire in the bucket, the water can zap him. But he keep trying to find a way to test if it can really zap people ......He then try to trick me or my wife to touch the water lol .......
    If you spin water it's moleculas gain charge 4-5 times faster then if stationary.
    Because as they move more of them move past charging point at any given time - so the over all speed increasses and a lot.

    @ Nick
    I was thinking how to make the distilled water spin in Aether field withing a capasitor which then you can discharge.

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