The ultimate secret of free energy: Split the postive AND the negative

[lamare]

I believe that Bedini's way is to create a super flow in the fluid that allows for it to continue to maintain or even gain charge long after it has been disconnected from the circuit from this super flow.

If you ask me, with Bedini's stuff you get a polarized dielectric inside your battery. I first thought that was also what Meyer was doing, because there were some references that the tubes had to be coated. I started an article over at peswiki about this, which we called "the electret effect", but things went into another direction, so I moved that stuff into the new article and never got to work this part out.

However, if you're interested, there are still a lot of links and quotes to the relevant discussions here, as well as lots of references about this. If you want to go this way, then you will have to study electrolytic capacitors.

So, if you want to investigate my ideas about this, you can start here and find your way:
Article:Free Electric Energy in Theory and Practice - PESWiki

Update: you may want to start with these:
http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...ions-dmr07.pdf http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...ons2-dmr08.pdf
"High Voltage impulse charging as prescribed by John Bedini has been seen to charge a battery cell in a different physical manner."
First article also available at: http://www.panaceauniversity.org/OTG...0-%20DMR07.pdf

Dave Michael Rogers experimented with "batteries" in a laboratory setup. Very interesting.

First time I read this, I didn't really get it. You know, what's a "Plante cell"? Someone biologist having fun? Turns out it was the name of the guy who invented the lead acid battery.

And @Slovenia: thanks for your pdfs. I enjoyed reading it all back

[Michelinho]

Thanks Slovenia.

[Slovenia]

PDF Files

Hi Fellow Experimenters,

I've made pdf files of all of Lamar's input regarding the "Secret of Free Energy and Separating he Positive and Negative". I have 3 pdf files of all his input regarding this scenario and they are for the Gray Replication, Stan Meyer's Secret of Preventing Electrolysis, and The Ultimate Secret of Free Energy Separating the Positive & Negative. Anyway, if anyone is interested in having these 3 pdf files I will upload them here.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

[Jbignes5]

I wanted to talk about batteries.

Why have we never seen a battery made with clear plastic? I think if we saw such a battery we would see the battery acting like a static/fluid pump. There should be current that flow in the battery between the plates. This flow allows the conductor rich fluid to ferry charges from one plate to the other is such a way that it can maintain a static charge on the plate and provide a steady static potential to the terminals hence DC. But batteries contain fluids and with such masses you have inertia. I believe that Bedini's way is to create a super flow in the fluid that allows for it to continue to maintain or even gain charge long after it has been disconnected from the circuit from this super flow.

When I saw Tesla's setup from the HV experiments that was mentioned earlier this looked like it could be the same principle. But one thing defines it as different. The density of the medium that they used. One was air(Tesla) and the other was a denser fluid acid/water combo (Bedini). Both use a super flow of the medium they chose.

My additions to the Tesla HV generator transformer sets up the same flow and a way to tap that flow using induction of the charges from one half of the coil to induce movement in the secondary of the load transformer while still allowing the flow to continue in the drive transformer. The inlet of source charges is in between the two antenna's on a flat plane or sheet of air. The only imbalance is the size of the antenna's and not their mass. This change in size is key to getting an amplification of the charges through bunching from one large sized antenna to the smaller more compact antenna. Kinda like using a fulcrum in effect. Other then the antenna's and the output the whole half of the driver transformer is to be statically shielded so as to preserve the charges ability to not leak away nor attract newer charges from the environment through the rest of the device. Even the hook ups to the antenna's is to be shielded as well.

[Jbignes5]

maybe?

Could I suggest that from the one link I provided that when we pass a current or attract a current of flow of charges into a wire that there is a following of the dielectric half of electricity at a 90 degree angle. This is the shell boundry or electron shell of an atom or matter. This shell can accept free charges very readily because free charges are actually the transmitter that contains the static charge. This makes the static charge dynamic. With using static laws one can see how this operates.

Sierpinski triangle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If the transmitter is a Sierpinski Triangle form of a crystaline nature, that would give two kinds of surfaces. One is the charge surface and the other is the drive surface. Meaning as it moves through the medium it generates a static charge from just that movement and stores it in it's internal surfaces while at the same time guides it via charge value of each face of those external surfaces.

At the bottom of that page is a 3d representation of two triangles. One positive and one negative or less positive (red/blue). Have a good long look at it and see if you see what I did.

Now is it detectable? I doubt it. For one it is of a structure that allows itself to have movement that is undetectable. Meaning it is of an angular nature that light and energy reflect off of it and that makes it a stealth component. I believe the charges are just much smaller collections of the Sierpinski triangles just at a different scale and much more energetic. This should go indefinetely smaller just like a fractal. And it is why we see fractals all in nature as well because fractals are two ways or bidirectional.

Anyone want to comment on this Have at it. I need some challengers to see if this will hold up.

Here is an analogy that I think might help to understand this. You take a room with a carpet and a bunch of people with socks on. Once the people start moving a static charge is built up in their bodies and if they weighed little they would be affected by this charge that has been built up in their bodies and the direction they travel. Like wise if their charge was any different then their neighbors then an equalizing discharge will happen between the two bodies. This is the same mechanism that I think goes on in the smaller scales. But on those scales mass has a lot to do with it and if the charge inside the mass can hold the matter together given enough injection of external charge.
I agree the charge is a flowing medium. There is also a very real structure to the charge and resulting accumulated mass around a charge aka Atom or matter.. The mass that gets attracted to these charges to form matter is neutral in nature and behaves much like iron does with magnetism. It is both attracted to and passes static potential to it's other faces.
Take for instance when professors talk about static and how it effects metals that are shaped like a globe. Charging one side causes the metal to become positively charged when compared to the directly opposite side is charged negatively or to be correct less positive. It is less positive on that side because of the direction of flow of the internal charges twords the higher potential.

[lamare]

For those who are not familiar, Seth is an "intelligence" channeled through Jane Roberts. Many have believed him to be a facet of her personality, or a hoax, however here is an interesting quote regarding the matter....In the Seth material, Jane Roberts presented a discussion between Seth and Eugene Barnard, an academic psychologist with extensive knowledge of eastern philosophy.

If you're interested in that kind of stuff, you may want to check out David Wilcock. He has some very interesting food for thought at his website:
Divine Cosmos

Ye can google for "david wilcock filetypedf" to find his stuff. I like him. He also has an interesting video together with Graham Hancock over at his youtube channel.

However, this kind of stuff cannot be considered "hard science". Nonetheless, they can give you interesting ideas and food for thought.

[lamare]

So far, the ultimate secret should be called, "the ultimate theoretic secret of free energy"

I see what you mean, yes.

Let me put it this way: I fully trust that Gray, Meyer and Puharich did what the say the did and saw what they say they saw. Now, both Meyer and Grays systems have been publicly shown to work. And the reason their stuff never made it is because all those other "theorists" that knew it all said it couldn't be done.

So, I just went the other way. I said: apparantly what these Guys did was for real. So, let's find out how on Earth this could possibly work.

And then it turned out they all independently used the same principle, which can be completely explained with proper science. Basically only Coulombs law and some math.

So, either Coulomb was wrong and these three guys were incredible frauds, or this is the way they did it. I simply do not see any other possibility.

Either things add up or they don't.

And no matter what: time will tell.

Update:
One more thing. We're doing this the open source way, right?

http://catb.org/esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/ar01s04.html

Release Early, Release Often

Linus Torvalds

[baroutologos]

If you managed to hands on a real free energy device yourself or see it in action beyond resonable doubt, then rest assured the ultimate secret lies within.

So far, the ultimate secret should be called, "the ultimate theoretic secret of free energy"

I think you got the point.

[lamare]

Anyone got a link to Turtur's ideas? I would be interested to check em out if someone has a link...

See my article at peswiki. I quoted him and there is a link there. Can't give it direct now, cause I'm in the train on my mobile.

[Jbignes5]

hmmm...

Anyone got a link to Turtur's ideas? I would be interested to check em out if someone has a link...

[seth]

This Seth sounds like a real clever guy - wonder if we can get him on the forum

Joking aside, this is an interesting thread. Nice to have a bit of a think from time to time, between tinkering. Thanks DrStiffler for all your sec work - im having great fun with the simple exciter ive just built. The output never ceases to impress me. And thanks Lamare for some very interesting posts. Food for thought. Ive always been rather partial to some of Beardons assertions about the source/charge problem, and i like the way you link Turturs work in. I've been thinking along the same lines since i saw Turturs experiment.

[Armagdn03]

@lamare

You may enjoy looking at a little better picture of the 'Energy Lattice' it is more explanatory than what I have posted public yet. The fine detail is far to deep for a general form so this overview is better.

All waveforms (frequencies) of the universe ride on the energy conduits between energy nodes. Each node when opened can offer the entire energy of the universe as it is a virtual connection. You can not increase energy beyond this level, but what is so clear is that you only have to fully access one set of nodes to obtain unlimited energy. The lattice appears three dimensional in such a pictorial view, yet when interfaced it acts as one node set, therefore when you connect say to 1500 node pairs, they all resolve to one node pair, so is mother nature.

To open a node is what you all are looking for, the amount of energy you obtain is how wide you open the door. Think of a door and a mass of people wanting to get through to the other side. What factors affect the number of people per period? I guess most will guess first, how wide is the door, then we say how fast can the people move through, how much mass is each person. All the factors affect who and what gets through the door and even if the door is open.

http://67.76.235.52/images/wake15.jpg

Ah the implicate order....From David Bohm...

"Relativity and even more important quantum mechanics have strongly suggested that the world cannot be analyzed into separate and independently existing parts. Moreover, each part somehow involves all the others: contains them or enfolds them....This fact suggests that the sphere of ordinary material life and the sphere of mystical experience have a certain shared order and that this will allow a fruitful relationship between them."

-David Bohm- (brilliant man)

a great segway into this fantastic quote from "Seth" on energy....

"It may form particles, but it would be itself whether or not particles existed. In the most basic of terms, almost incomprehensible in your vocabulary, energy is not divided. There can be no portions or parts of it, because it is not an entity like a pie to be cut or divided. For the purposes of discussion however, we must say that in your terms each smallest portion - each smallest unit of pure energy - contains within it the propelling force toward the formation of all possible variations of itself.

The smallest unit of pure energy, therefore, weighing nothing in your terms, containing within itself no mass, would hold within its own nature the propensity for the creation of matter in all of its forms, the impetus to create all possible universes. In those terms energy cannot be considered without bringing to the forefront questions concerning the nature of God and All that is, for the terms are synonymous. "

For those who are not familiar, Seth is an "intelligence" channeled through Jane Roberts. Many have believed him to be a facet of her personality, or a hoax, however here is an interesting quote regarding the matter....In the Seth material, Jane Roberts presented a discussion between Seth and Eugene Barnard, an academic psychologist with extensive knowledge of eastern philosophy. Dr. Barnard said afterward:

I chose topics of conversation which were clearly of tolerable interest to seth and consederable interest to me, and which by that time I had every reason to believe were largely foreign territory to Jane. Also...I chose to persue these topics at a level of sphistication which I felt made it exceedingly improbable that jane could fool me on substituting her own knowlege and mental footwork for those of Seth, even if she were doing it unconsciously.

The best summary description I can give you of that evening is that it was for me a delightful conversation with a personality or intelligence or what have you, whose wit, intellect, and reservoir of knowledge far exceeded my own...In any sense in which a psychologist of the western scientific tradition would understand the phrase, I do not believe that Jane Roberts and Seth are the same person, or the same personality, or different facets of the same personality.

"

[DrStiffler]

I've come to a similar conclusion regarding nodes.
Seems to me that a node which has 2 connections must have about equal flows from both sides to sum in a compression or rarefaction at the node.
Now look at the coil that Tesla tells how to construct in "EXPERIMENTS WITH ALTERNATE CURRENTS OF HIGH POTENTIAL AND HIGH FREQUENCY".
The primary and secondary are split into 2 equal sections turned in opposite directions and connected in series.

Why did he do this? I think it's to simulate a node set! A section of a lattice. A superconductor junction if you will.

Does anyone remember J. Naudin's "bifilar vs bucking coils" test?
JLN Labs - The TEP Project - Bifilar VS Bucking coils

He didn't do the one last test that he should have. What if his pickup coil was a bucking coil? Then we'd have something similar to Tesla's device.

If current flows in series between 2 coils that create opposing fields, would that not be a magnetic nodal configuration? 2 nodes on the ends, 1 antinode in the center.

On the other hand, if 1 continuous magnetic field span the set of coils, there would be an electric node set! Equal voltage on each end, opposite in the middle.

I said it seems to me like it's a superconductor junction, because of the diamagnetic configuration, and the electrons would be going in balanced opposite directions, so perhaps is could create/utilize paired electrons and tunneling!
Has anyone seen that picture of Tesla's Wydenclyff tower that is the same design as this coil, but with a 3rd secondary connected at the antinode? Like a better version of his magnifying transmitter, run the opposing fields against each other at the resonant frequency of the middle coil?

**You may want to also look at what I was doing at the same time TEP was in the works.

Energy Conversion by Articulated Transfer

[Michael John Nunnerley]

My idea back in 1998

@lamare

You may enjoy looking at a little better picture of the 'Energy Lattice' it is more explanatory than what I have posted public yet. The fine detail is far to deep for a general form so this overview is better.

All waveforms (frequencies) of the universe ride on the energy conduits between energy nodes. Each node when opened can offer the entire energy of the universe as it is a virtual connection. You can not increase energy beyond this level, but what is so clear is that you only have to fully access one set of nodes to obtain unlimited energy. The lattice appears three dimensional in such a pictorial view, yet when interfaced it acts as one node set, therefore when you connect say to 1500 node pairs, they all resolve to one node pair, so is mother nature.

To open a node is what you all are looking for, the amount of energy you obtain is how wide you open the door. Think of a door and a mass of people wanting to get through to the other side. What factors affect the number of people per period? I guess most will guess first, how wide is the door, then we say how fast can the people move through, how much mass is each person. All the factors affect who and what gets through the door and even if the door is open.

http://67.76.235.52/images/wake15.jpg

@ Dr. Stiffler and all

Back in 1998 after seeing an experiment of levitation using very high frequency "GHz" and a lot of power, a three sided pyrimid was lifted off the floor, I can't remember the name of the person but maybe someone has seen this.

He used copper balls and brass tubes to make as near perfect three sided pyrimid and base. The brass tubes were wave guides and he fed into one of the copper balls a GHZ frequency which travelled down all the wave guides and the whole thing lifted off the floor.

This led me to thinking of the lattice and how it is made up and the following diagram is my take on this which is very similar to Dr. Stiffler.

This was work done with a good collegue Jacques Benoi who lived in France.
I have always wondered if we could have created an artificial lattice segment so as to prove this theory, but we never did.

The idea was two make six identical coils to be used as the node links, each coil would be 120 degrees out of phase with the next and at one node apply a HF HV charge. A pickup coil would be used in conjunction with a scope to monitor the circuit. This is basic and would require a little more to the circuit, but you get the idea. Each node would be a three plate cap.

Mike

[Jbignes5]

Umm...

I think it has to do with creating a permanent static charge to attract charges into the second half of the circuit. The output would seem to be direct current not pulsed. My bad I think...
The first half of the circuit is for the impulse and we use that first impulse to step charge the second layden jar to have a stable static pull on the external charges between the antenna's (second revised picture link). What is tapped off is only gonna make the operation that more efficient I am thinking. Meaning that the more you use those charges the more that gets pulled from between the flow of the antenna's so that it balances the two potentials out, which would never happen if you are tapping the charges out via the load transformer.
So it seems to me that once the flow is created it will always be in an imbalanced state between to two potentials. The only thing that would change would be the difference in that balance and what gets transformed into work through the load circuit.

I think this is the process that Tesla used in his Pierce arrow experiment. And why the motor had to have a fan outfitted to it for increased air flow to cool it. Since the motor was very very inefficient to convert all the charges into power for the motor it got transformed into heat for the balance.

I also think that the motor to be ran or load has to be figured into the second half of the circuit to complete the balance through resonance.