gravity waves found

[witsend]

Am I wrong to conculde that if there would be a warm spot without a cold spot, we'd have big fat over unity? In my simple reasoning, a cold outer and warm inner effect, might somehow be cancelling out. Just like magnets do. Pull on one end, push on the other. Compression, expansion.Without the balance, or being able to tap that thermal effect without breaking the magentic lock, we have something even harder to explain on our hands.

Hi Cloxxki, Not sure of the answer here. But I'd have thought that hot or cold - both would need to be quantified and both would need to be deducted from the input power resulting in required reduction of power from that source. Effectively therefore the 'lock' should weaken. But I'm not sure that we know what's causing the heat. It may be from light that is somehow concentrated into certain specific spots - or it may, indeed, be from an interaction of the magnetic fields in the rig on localised areas around it inducing a kind of current flow of sorts? I would have thought that both, technically, should result in some weakening of that structure, at its least. IMHO it all needs more tests.

[Bruce_TPU]

My aluminum foil straight off the role stuck to a magnet. Im sure aluminum probably contains a small percent of iron from the mining or the recycling process. Those small amounts should be able to retain residual magnetism just like other ferrous materials if subjected to the right conditions. That might be an explanation for the effect you have with the foil.

I have Reynolds Wrap here at the house, and placed an N52 1"x1" magnet on it, and I guarentee there is nothing magnetic about it. You probably have tin in your foil. Thus, "tin foil" rather than "aluminum foil".

Cheers,

Bruce

[witsend]

What?

The moon is made of cheese too.

LOL Not sure what this is about. You're either on the wrong thread or the wrong forum. I think Dave's proposing that whatever makes this 'wave' may also be the same stuff as the aether fields that some of us ascribe to. But I've no idea what you're proposing as an alternative explanation. And I simply don't see the relevance to the moon in any context at all - whether it's made of cheese or star dust or solid light waves. Perhaps you can try and give us an argument - one way or another.

[Cloxxki]

Indeed great of NorthWidn to have taken the time to help David verify his claims.

Regarding the heat concetration.
David has accounted that the device remains magnetically locked, and exhibiting the effect, for a week (or even longer) after having been energized once. This leads me to conclude very little energy is put in.
In gravity wheels as an analogy, a very small input can move large wheight, as long as they cancel out each other's vertical position.
Am I wrong to conculde that if there would be a warm spot without a cold spot, we'd have big fat over unity? In my simple reasoning, a cold outer and warm inner effect, might somehow be cancelling out. Just like magnets do. Pull on one end, push on the other. Compression, expansion.Without the balance, or being able to tap that thermal effect without breaking the magentic lock, we have something even harder to explain on our hands.

[witsend]

My aluminum foil straight off the role stuck to a magnet. Im sure aluminum probably contains a small percent of iron from the mining or the recycling process. Those small amounts should be able to retain residual magnetism just like other ferrous materials if subjected to the right conditions. That might be an explanation for the effect you have with the foil.

Hi cody. Just something that I think you may have missed. Our mainstream scientists teach us that a magnetic field inside a cylinder simply disappears. In other words, conventional teaching here is that the magnetic field cannot be sustained. Some have proposed that it moves into the 'skin' of the material itself. But - to the best of my knowledge - there is nothing conclusive on this. Your own design - those segmented pieces - puts paid to this as it proves that the field is very much there - even though it's not measurable. I think your design is a very elegant variation on Dave's test and I am wondering how this will work on a toroid. If you can get this to 'hold' in a magnetic lock then we really do have a 'closed' magnetic field. Just to let you know that I'll be trying this - but without the segments. Just a solid pipe bent into a toroid. I want to see if it will generate an axial spin at 180 degrees to the earth's magnetic fields. It'll be interesting.

[witsend]

There was a recent photo taken from above where the segments on the right appeared large, and the ones on the left appeared smaller, and tilted. Looking at the device, I can assure you that this is not the case at all; it was apparently some kind of anomalous distortion only occurring during imaging.

I think we all understood this to be the case. The fact that the distortion was so marked appears to be anomalous in and of itself. It seems that these effects are subtle and the comfort is that now and then - the distortions can actually be captured.

That you felt anything at all even if it was only with copper - is in itself unusual. My own feeling is that this rather endorses Dave's own findings on this device. Clearly a field exists - that distorts light - hence the distortions in the photograph - and that introduces anomlous weight distributions. It does seem that Dave's own sensitivities to this is possibly more enhanced. And your following comment...

I did feel at one time when my hand was over the device a warm spot on one small portion (about the size of a quarter) of my hand. It was very unusual.

Again, here we have evidence of some hot spots - anomalies that result without any apparent reduction in the 'field' - that energy that is holding the rig together.

NorthWind, I must thank you for your report and the evident care and accuracy that you applied to your evaluation of this effect. It seems that you can substatially endorse the findings that Dave pointed to but to a lesser extent. I think that the interest in this device is not only that it has curious effects that are usually ascribed to gravitational fields, but that these effects are localised on a rig that has only been once energised. For example, one would assume that any heat dissipated away from the device would result in a corresponding weakening of the field - this, certainly to fall in line with mainstream teaching on energy transfer.

I also understand the difficulties in describing such subtle phenomena within the constraints of his video recordings. But it strikes me that the experiment is easily duplicated. Perhaps we could all go this route and give our own reports. I'm afraid I've been guilty of outlining tests that Dave could still do. But I realise now that it's not fair on his time or financial constraints. In the light of your own endorsement of these effects - albeit to a lesser extent - I think that this may now be considered warranted and well worth the effort.

I am reminded of a broadcast I saw recently where Bill Gate's design engineer was asked why he lived in the States rather than in England. He answered that the predominant scepticism of the English was not condusive to new thinking, new discoveries. There is something about the All American Attitude that is tailored to new discoveries and I see lots of it on this forum.

Dave - again. Thank you very much indeed for bringing this to our attention. Personally I think it's a discovery. It certainly is anomalous and it may very well have some profound implications regarding conventional thinking on gravity. Just know we're all behind you on this and, if it can be better measured I'm sure we can all rally and do our own tests to show this.

[Harvey]

Thank you Northwind for taking the time to do this for us, greatly appreciated even if it still leaves some things unanswered

David,

I have been thinking about this looking for some way to identify it for those of us who cannot see it. Perhaps the thing to do is make a wide band receiver that will convert the wave into a form we can measure. Here is what I propose:

1. We need an IR thermometer like the one Glen uses in his experiments.

2. We need some thin layers of metals like copper and aluminum foil. A strip wider than your rig is tall and long enough to completely surround the rig with room for wobble and measurements - perhaps a 2" gap all around.

3. Flat black paint.

You may wish to make individual metals or may wish to sandwich them in to a composite, either way. Paint both sides of the final sandwich or individual strips. The assembly should be flat black everywhere. Bring the ends of the strip together to make a cylinder and secure it with glue, staples whatever.

The experiment:

Place the cylinder in a shady spot at a good distance away from your rig or any reflective surfaces and let it adapt to the environment for about 15 minutes. Take readings around it inside and out, about 10 each to get a good average temperature of the surface. Take a temperature reading of your rig - it should be near the same temperature as the cylinder - hopefully. Now bring your rig and place it inside the cylinder and give it a good spin. You can take temp readings on the cylinder and record the time intervals. Be sure to get readings inside and outside.

Repeat the test without spinning it.

You may also like to make a cap for it out of the same materials and see if anything is happening in the vertical plane.

The principle is that these materials trap a very large portion of the EM band and convert them to heat. Since we do not know specifically which frequencies they are yet, or even if they are EM, this will help us show that something is there in those bands if those are the ones it is producing .

Perhaps we will get an opposite effect where the cylinder cools down as the rig sinks thermal energy to emit it at some other frequency

Cheers

[remelic]

this wave is what heat and all EM spectra travel on.

What?

The moon is made of cheese too.

[ewizard]

Thank you Northwind for you time in checking this out and you honest evaluation which I'm sure was difficult as I'm sure no one hear wants to discourage the enthusiasm david has. In a world which has signs of a major paradigm shift happening at this time it is difficult to say what is true and valid as I believe as Gregg Braden says that the outcome of experiments are affected by the by the belief system of the observer. I think it's also a consideration that there may be variables in this that are not yet understood. I look forward to following this where ever it leads.

[cody]

My aluminum foil straight off the role stuck to a magnet. Im sure aluminum probably contains a small percent of iron from the mining or the recycling process. Those small amounts should be able to retain residual magnetism just like other ferrous materials if subjected to the right conditions. That might be an explanation for the effect you have with the foil.

[NorthWind]

[witsend]

Guys - David's computer's down at the moment. He's trying to get this sorted out so may be off forum for a bit. Hopefully it'll be resolved soon.

Thanks again Dave for all your hard work. It's amazing stuff and much appreciated by us all.

[Cloxxki]

I don't know enough about it to fill a sentence, really.

I do however remember recently having read some discussions where nitrogen was mentioned as the possible explanation for seemingly superfluous out in an HHO + Air combustion. It has always bugged me that we have som much of something so useless. Just like we used to think about water. Only good to drink, clean, and flush camp fires with.

[Vickers]

Sorry David, I should have been more specific. The coil should be of a greater diameter than the field. Easy way to make it is to cut some stiff card and wrap it around your field and cut and tape. Then wind some insulated copper wire around it. Doesn't have to be much. Set your meter to volts and connect. Move it around a bit till u get some action.

[nat1971a]

Or a donut magnet - david hamels very first design had a single donut magnet at the base