My proposed explanation for the great pyramids.

[rickoff]

@schpankme: As anyone can plainly see, from my previous response, I was not trying to prove anything about the timeline theory - only stating that the theory, and the scribed mark in the ascending passage, does exist.

[Schpankme]

My only intention was to show that there is indeed a scribed mark, associated with a time-line...not to spark a debate over religious beliefs...lengthy Bible lesson

Rick,

The lesson here is, don't use the bible and it's fictional stories to try and prove the time-line of the Giza Pyramid. If you start with fiction you will end with fiction.

Schpankme

"Help help, I been Hypnotized." - David Letterman

[rickoff]

@ schpankme: I was only quoting from a website to provide information to Aaron concerning the wheareabouts of the scribed marks in the descending passage that are said to mark the beginning of the so-called "pyramid timeline." Many believe this timeline to be of great significance, while others believe it is purely coincidental. I don't necessarily subscribe to, or attempt to promote either line of thought. My only intention was to show that there is indeed a scribed mark, associated with a timeline, as Aaron had stated, and not to spark a debate over religious beliefs or the meaning of scripture. I never would have dreamed that the quote would lead to a lengthy Bible lesson, and this thread doesn't seem like the appropriate place for that. I would suggest deleting your post from this thread, and placing it in either an existing Bible thread, or perhaps even starting a new one titled, "Jesus was a fake," or something along those lines. I would also suggest that anyone contemplating a rebuttal to your post take it up either in private messenging or elsewhere. Let's save this thread for discussion of pertinent material directly related to the topic at hand, which is a "proposed explanation for the great pyramids."

Rick

[rickoff]

Great pyramid entrance tunnel not astronomically aligned.

Early in the Nineteenth Century, astronomer John Herschel speculated that the ancient Egyptians had constructed the Great Pyramid so that the downwardly slanting entrance would be aligned precisely with the pole star, Thuban (Alpha Draconis), when the star was at its lowest culmination. Over 70 years ago Percival Lowell ran through the calculations and found that Thuban was not near the tunnel's line of sight when the pyramid was constructed (about 2800 BC). No one seems to have listened to Lowell, even though he was quite correct. Most books on the Great Pyramid still insist on the fancied pole star alignment.

Great Pyramid Entrance Tunnel Not Astronomically Aligned

The fact remains that Alpha Draconis did align perfectly with the descending passage in 2141 BC, and would also have aligned perfectly around 27,941 BC. These are the only times, unless you go back to earlier precessional cycles, when the light from Alpha Draconis would shine all the way to the bottom of the 300 foot long descending passage. No one would argue that it aligned at 2800 BC, so Lowell's calculation proves nothing other than the fact that the passage would not have aligned in 2800 BC. He based what he said upon the false assumption that the Pyramid was constructed around 2800 BC. If anything, his calculation serves to show the Pyramid was not built in 2800 BC.

Incidentally, Alpha Draconis aligns closer to the North Pole axis of our Earth than all of the other pole stars during a 25,800 year precessional cycle. It is also the only pole star in a precession cycle to be in the exact position to shine down the Descending Passage of the Great Pyramid of Giza, because the Descending Passage is in true alignment with the North Pole axis of our planet.

You still haven't attempted to show a reason why the pyramid complex was constructed to perfectly mirror the constellation Orion at the 10,500 BC, and 36,500 BC time periods. Can you think of any logical reason for that, or how they would have had knowledge of either of those aligments unless the pyramid complex layout was designed at one of those times of alignment?

Regarding the precise true north alignment of the pyramid vs modern structural alignments, yes of course we now have instruments that enable us to measure and lay out such alignments with as high a degree of precision. The question remains, though, as to where the Great Pyramid engineers obtained precision instruments that would appear to either equal or surpass those of modern man. I only pointed out, in an earlier post (#166), that the construction of the Greenwich Observatory in London that marks the Prime Meridian of the world with an inaccuracy of 9 arc minutes is three times less accurate than the Great Pyramid alignment. Of course designers and builders of the Greenwich Observatory, although highly respected engineers, and using the most sophistocated surveying equipment available at that time, did not have access to laser precision technology, but neither did the builders of the Great Pyramid - or did they?

Rick

[Schpankme]

What Was The Sign Of Jonah?

crucifixion of Jesus Christ

The Christian Religion(s) today blindly accept that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ, they use prophecies from the Jewish Bible (the Old Testament) to prove their claim that Jesus was the Messiah promised to the Jews. Let's examine the only unequivocal claim made by Jesus in the Gospels and examine whether he fulfilled his promise to the Jews. We must admit that the word CHRIST is not a name, it is a title. from which we get the word Christ. The name that was given to Mary (Luke 2:21) for her yet unborn son was JESUS and NOT Christ. It was only after his baptism at the hands of John the Baptist that he, Jesus, claimed to be the Christ.

MIRACLE AS PROOF*
With righteous indignation Jesus replies: Matthew 12:39-40). Jesus says, 2000 pigs he had destroyed

Did Jesus fulfill the only sign he gave? Christendom answers with a unanimous Y-E-S!

JONAH FLEES HIS CALLDEAD OR ALIVE?
The question now arises, that when the ship-master and the crew threw him overboard, was Jonah dead or alive? Any Christian child who has attended Sunday school will give an immediate reply: The storm subsides. Next a 'fish' swallows Jonah. Was he dead or alive when swallowed? The answer again is For three days and three nights the fish takes him around the ocean: dead or alive? is the answer. On the third day it vomits him on the seashore: dead or alive? A-L-I-V-E, of course!

Now, what had Jesus prophesied about himself? He said: And how was Jonah? Was he dead or alive for three days and three nights? Alive! ALIVE! ALIVE! - Is the unanimous answer from the Jew, the Christian and the Muslim!

UNLIKE JONAH
If Jonah was alive for three days and three nights, then Jesus also ought to have been alive in the tomb, as he himself had foretold! So it has to answer that Jesus was DEAD for three days and three nights. The contradiction*between*his utterance and its fulfillment is obvious. Jonah ALIVE, Jesus DEAD! Very UNLIKELIKE JonahUNLIKE Jonah. If this is true then according to his own test Jesus is not the TRUE Messiah of the Jews. If the Gospel record is genuine then how can we blame the Jews for rejecting ?

THREE AND THREE = 72 HOURS?
The Doctors of Divinity these Professors of Theology will reply that in Matthew 12:40 under discussion, the emphasis is on the TIME factor -

PUBLIC HOLIDAY
The question arises: when was Christ crucified? The whole Christian world answers: Is this the reason we celebrate says the Christians. So he was killed on the cross on a Friday, 2000+ years ago? says the Christians. From the Gospel records we gather that the Jews were in a hurry to eliminate Jesus. Hence the midnight trial, and then dispatching*him off to Pilate in the morning; from Pilate to Herod and then back again to Pilate. The vested interests were afraid of the general public. Jesus was their hero. He had been their benefactor. His enemies had to do away with him quickly, and succeeded in doing so. However, as much as they were in a hurry to hang him on the cross, they were in equal hurry to bring him down from the cross before sunset on Friday because of the Sabbath.Jewish burial-bath
There are numerous differences between the various sects and denominations of Christianity, but on the above they are unanimous. Jesus is SUPPOSED to be in the tomb on the night of Friday. He is still SUPPOSED to be in the tomb on the day of Saturday. He is still SUPPOSED to be in the tomb on the night of Saturday. Christians agree whole-heatedly with this. It will be noted that the word was repeated three times. The reason is that the Gospels are silent as to when exactly Jesus came out of the tomb.

In the final analysis, let us see whether Jesus was THREE days and THREE nights in the tomb:

EASTER WEEK IN THE SEPULCHER

FRIDAY - placed in tomb just before sunset (One night)

SATURDAY - supposed to be in tomb (One day & One night)

SUNDAY - missing before sunrise

TOTAL: One Day & Two Nights in the Sepulcher

You will no doubt note that the GRAND TOTAL is ONE day and TWO nights, and NOT three days and three nights. According to the Christian Scriptures Jesus had failed a SECOND time. FIRST he was unlike Jonah, who was ALIVE in the belly of the fish, which is the exact opposite of what the Christians claim had happened to their Jesus, who was DEADALIVE. SECONDLY, we discover that he also failed to fulfill the TIME FACTOR as well. The greatest mathematician in Christendom will fail to obtain the desired result - THREE days and THREE nights.

[ANTIQUER]

Hi Rick and Aaron;

In order to have a chronology, you must have a starting point. Let us see how this was determined in the great pyramid. If we start from the outside of the north entrance and move down the descending passage about 40 feet, we come to series of so called "scored lines". These are straight knife-edge lines cut into the blocks from roof to floor. They are on each side of the passage and directly opposite each other. Also the descending passage is in exact alignment of true north. It can be shown that in the last 5,000 years, only at one time did the north star line up exactly with the descending passage and shine directly down. This occurred in 2141 BC and the north star at that time was Draconis also called the dragon star. The northern star changes gradually over long periods of time because of the precession of the earth on its axis (like a spinning top). Also only at that time, the star cluster known as the Pleiades in the constellation Taurus was in alignment with the scored lines. Thus this is the date that pyramidologists accept as the starting date at the scored lines.

Great Pyramid Entrance Tunnel Not Astronomically Aligned

As far as the accuracy of the North-South alignment of the pyramid someone posted recently that the alignment is far closer to true North than we can could determine now.
How do we know that if our current instruments are that inaccurate? With what would we check the alignment of the pyramid to determine if it is precisely aligned?


@Aaron;

Al,

No comment on the scored lines?

You said I got "caught" with false info - first of all, I don't
appreciate that at all and you really should be mindful of
what you are saying - especially, when you don't even
research what is mentioned.

Sorry you took it that way. I thought the made it clear I was joking. And you did say "Then in the Great Hall, there are marks along the bottom side", not going up the walls from floor to ceiling, which is why I did not immediately recognize what you were referring to. Anyway, it's not that important so let's just drop it.


Here's an interesting item I found concerning the lack of finding any plans for the Great Pyramid's construction;

One of the mysteries of the pyramid's construction is how they planned its construction. John Romer suggests that they used the same method that had been used for earlier and later constructions, laying out parts of the plan on the ground at a 1 to 1 scale. He writes that "such a working diagram would also serve to generate the architecture of the pyramid with a precision unmatched by any other means." He devotes a chapter of his book to the physical evidence that there was such a plan.[24] In fact, the Cole survey of 1925 discovered as part of some planning an actual Original Builder's Mark, engraved into the pavement perpendicular to the N face, suggesting definitely different slopes planned into the Pyramid E and W faces.

Great Pyramid of Giza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am doing a lot of research on this subject but it takes a lot of time, so please bear with me if I seem slow in responding to any post or question.

Thanks, Al

[rickoff]

Anyone else know what I'm referring to? [The Great Pyramid Timeline] It is like a time line with significant years marked.

I have seen references to scribed lines that appear to coincide with historical and/or Biblical events. In quoting one of these references, found at Prophetic timelines in the Pyramid :

Rick

[Aaron]

@Al

Al,

No comment on the scored lines?

You said I got "caught" with false info - first of all, I don't
appreciate that at all and you really should be mindful of
what you are saying - especially, when you don't even
research what is mentioned.

[Stealth]

I agree with you that we are not the first highly technological society to have lived upon this earth. The native americans(indians), especially the Hopi tribe, states that they came here from a misty planet. I suspect that misty planet was an early Mars, which must have had a large amount of water before some catastrophe caused it to escape. The Cherokee claimed that they hunted 10,000 summers before the white man arrived, and there was a huge civilization that preexisted before them, the mound builders. Evidence has been found that points to an extensive battle sometime in prehistory Arkansa, where two huge factions engaged in a battle of enormous proportions. Over an area of only 13-15 acres they are finding millions of arrowheads and spearpointsThere are also reports coming from the Pueblo and Anassasi tribes of giants, which were living there before they occupied the land.Although not technologically advance, these people, wherever they came from(Atlantis, Mu?),could have been descendants from a once technological society. Good Luck. Stealth

[rickoff]

The speed of light calculations are close. The discrepancies may be due to the miscalculations of theoretical speed of light to actual speed of light. See the true speed of light claculation here. speed of light This could make the discrepancies much closer than was realized considering the distances involved.Good Luck. Stealth

Yes, the difference between the measurements of the ancients, and our own, considering the enormity of them, are very slight, and we can't say with certainty that ours are any better than theirs. That is what is so amazing about this. For my own calculations in post #210, to convert to miles, I rounded down the speed of light to 186,000 miles per second for simplicity. My whole point in carrying out the calculation was to show just how astoundingly far away Betelgeuse actually is (about 2 quadrillion, 522 trillion, 249 billion, 280 million miles). It is difficult for most of us today to even comprehend a number that large, so the question we must ask is how could the ancients, just barely emerging from what we know as the "prehistoric age," have had that knowledge? To my thinking, there are only two possible answers:

1. The ancients either had a civilization, or were descended from one, that was equal to, or more advanced than our own. This is certainly plausible, especially when we consider that there have been at least 8 ice ages that have come and gone, with the likelihood that civilizations grew and flourished during the periods between these ice ages, and then were all but totally eliminated by them, or by the cataclysmic events that ushered in or ended those ice ages. To think that we are the only civilization to have ever possibly reached our current state of development would be very presumptuous of us.

2. The Nabta Playa megalyth, and perhaps the Giza pyramid complex, were engineered and constructed by beings of superior intellect who came from either a different planet or a different time (time travelers). In either scenario, these beings would have been considered "Gods" by the terrestrial people existing at that point in time. It is known that the Aztecs at first believed that the Spaniards were the fair skinned, bearded Gods that their ancestors had told stories of, so they welcomed them. By the time they realized their error, it was too late. The Spaniards were amazed by the accomplishments of the Aztec civilization, and didn't like feeling inferior, so they slaughtered all the Aztecs (and later the Mayans) of high intellect and destroyed countless and priceless records which could have revealed a lot more than we know today. I think that much of what we see occurring in modern Egypt is similar to the suppression by the Spaniards, and that many records of the ancients have either been intentionally destroyed or hidden from us.

Rick

[Cloxxki]

Disinfo is everywhere. Hints of the truth are sponsored by those trying to obscure full truth. Don't know what to think, but I'll keep taking in strong pointers, and consistent data that adds up, and not from repetion.

I don't believe that someone who can build a pyramid, will be extinct to the point of their ancestors forgetting. I seem to remmeber having heard of later Egyptian attempts at smaller pyramids meant as tombs, which were sad failures?

[Schpankme]

It's the conspiracy upon conspiracies though, and I have pretty much decided to believe nothing until I've seen it.

How could you "see it" if your not looking for it? I've given you some excellent material to review, all showing the actual NASA Footage or Photographs.

"Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way." - Patton

- Schpankme

[Cloxxki]

@Schpankme,
Those are pretty much the sources and claims I came across yes. Far-fetched to say the least, but it makes more sence to me than billions being put into zero-payload shuttles, not significantly improved for decades. While in the 70's we already had Concorde (the flying pyramid one might sat), and recently Burt rutan "just" went into space self-funded.
I helped out a buddy when he was designing a kite descend mission to Mars, to analyse Mars' atmosphere. Not sure it was ever allowed to be launched. The payload requirements were silly low. The kite was self-stabilizing.

The secrecy part is the most far-fetched of the whole story. But easily explained with some mind control meds/techniques. If you don't let a soldier remember his mission or simulation, you can brief him better each next time, until performance is optimal. It's the conspiracy upon conspiracies though, and I have pretty much decided to believe nothing until I've seen it.

[Schpankme]

... space travel is actually way more advance, and way more secret than a faked moon landing.

It seems more in line with typical US/NASA propaganda to under-claim their technological advancements than the contrary.

People who find out about the do ability of space travel stop paying taxes

Incredible, let me see if I'm in sync with your knowledge base.

1) NASA faked the Apollo Moon landings because in reality, they actually have secret space technology that the tax payers may not see.

2) NASA and the Military assigned Astronauts who swore an Oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America, actually committed treason by embezzling money (taxation) and faking the Moon Landings, because they (NASA) need to keep the Space-Race activity secret from the Tax Payers.

3) NASA and the Astronauts actually went to the MOON using advanced space technology and found there incredible wonders and aliens; which they then reported their findings to an ex-Commercial Pilot named John Lear and informed him directly of the secret missions.

4) NASA is currently redesigning a new 'Orbital System' to replace the Space Shuttle, because the Shuttle is completely inadequate for putting payloads and people safely into Low Earth Orbit. In fact the the Shuttle can only carry 1/6 the payload of the 1960 - Saturn Rocket. After all, why use the most successful technology known to man; you and I both know if the American Tax Payer ever found out that NASA can already do it better with secret space technology then taxation will stop.

5) If you need to know about the Secret facilities built on the Moon and Mars just ask John Lear; he is able to find the Secret NASA photographs and tell you what he sees on them.

Let me also point out that NASA is now telling the American tax payers, that the unmanned Mars Landers are able to make it to the Planets Surface via Parachute. So, the Martian atmosphere is 1/10 that of the Earths atmosphere, which makes it IMPOSSIBLE to open a Parachute and if you could get the chute open it would carry NO LOAD (lack of resistance).

YouTube - WhiteJarrah's Channel

Note: I will not be debating the NASA FRAUD further in this thread.

BTW - You can see the Pyramids from Space.

- Schpankme

'Your mileage may vary." - unknown Author

[Cloxxki]

All such reports are matched with contrary claims, that space travel is actually way more advance, and way more secret than a faked moon landing. Look up John Lear's coast to coast interview. If even only half of his ideas is even loosely based on facs, it's mind blowing.
It seems more in line with tyical US/NASA propaganda to under-claim their technological advancements than the contrary. People who find out about the doability of space travel stop paying taxes.

More on topic. As long as thinklers and resources will remain scattered, will keep playing catch-up to the level of engineering and consciousness of the pyramid builders, whomever they were.