Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[ricards]

Radiant Energy School is back in session! A funny thing happened on the way to building the Don Smith device... I discovered how to use radiant energy to improve health. For the full explanation, refer to my thread under the "health" section of the forum, but the practical upshot is that the exact same methods that work to produce radiant energy for power, work to produce radiant energy that promotes health in your body. If you want power, you put it through a transformer. If you want better health, you put it through YOU.

The practical application is very simple: just sleep on a grounding sheet (available at places like earthing.com) and put a plasma globe on your night stand. Presto, better health! It's not a miracle cure for anything, but it might help some conditions and it's so simple and easy it's worth a try.

https://www.energeticforum.com/healt...tml#post303404

That's really intuitive tswift!, putting underunity to practical use, In my opinion that's really a lot better than overunity without any practical use.

say... I thought and drew a schematic of a low voltage Hairpin configuration, I compensated it with high capacitance, so the total energy in the capacitor is high enough, though I haven't build it yet. hoping it would light up and recycle the energy.

[tswift]

Radiant Energy School is back in session! A funny thing happened on the way to building the Don Smith device... I discovered how to use radiant energy to improve health. For the full explanation, refer to my thread under the "health" section of the forum, but the practical upshot is that the exact same methods that work to produce radiant energy for power, work to produce radiant energy that promotes health in your body. If you want power, you put it through a transformer. If you want better health, you put it through YOU.

The practical application is very simple: just sleep on a grounding sheet (available at places like earthing.com) and put a plasma globe on your night stand. Presto, better health! It's not a miracle cure for anything, but it might help some conditions and it's so simple and easy it's worth a try.

https://www.energeticforum.com/healt...tml#post303404

[med.3012]

hello everyone .


this is a small update to my PDF the resonance energy device explained , show the similarity between Tesla wireless energy transfer and Don Smith device or at least this is what i think ! Meyl expirimental kit is analysed also , finally some important note given by Don smith will be understood .

it also explain energy balance , electron spin with a lots of drawing to make the idea clear, read it share it and give your opinion !

http://www.energeticforum.com/attachments/renewable-energy/19643d1500761990-resonance-energy-device-explained-mohamed_2-pdf

[tswift]

Just an update, since this latest line of experimenting hasn't proved fruitful I am regrouping. I still think there is at least some truth to my theoretical framework but obviously there's still a missing element. I can build any number of configurations that I think should show some radiant effect only to measure none.

I have also been cleaning up my workbench some in the meantime, I ordered a few new tools and organizers for things to reduce the clutter and increase the efficiency of my experimenting time. I also finally replaced my bench voltmeter, I had an old but pretty decent one but it became a victim of being too close to high voltage pulses. So now I have a new high precision 4.5 digit meter for just a little over $100. It's important to be able to take accurate measurements just in case there is any hint of overunity showing up. If I had a massive power gain it would be obvious even without a meter but if it's only slight then it takes good measurements to distinguish what's happening. I thought this might be the case with my hairpin circuit lighting the bulb, but alas with better measurements it's obviously not happening.

[ricards]

Hi ricards,

When using a voltage source to excite a coil, keeping the wire gauge the same, changing the number of turns does not affect the mmf (magnetic excitation). So it is not surprising to see the output unchanged when you alter turns.

Ampere-turns will remain constant with the same voltage applied to a coil of a particular wire gauge regardless of number of turns. Changing # of turns changes the resistance in proportion. This changes the current from the fixed voltage source. Consequently the product Amps * Turns remains the same and that is what the magnetic system sees.

It's counterintuitive but fact.

bi

Though this might be a fact its not a limitation isn't it? we can actually increase the number of turns also at the same time decreasing its resistance (or just breakeven), we can do that by altering the geometry of the wire itself. instead of a normally off the shelf insulated copper wires, we'll use plates or sheets of conductor and insulator overlapped alternately, then I suddenly remembered the "Strongest Magnet" in the world article. this is how they constructed it.

now it all make sense with that ampere*turn

[med.3012]

would like to add some vital informations in that patent as well.

"The Physical Constants of COIL C (secondary coil), determining its period of vibration, are so chosen and adjusted that the secondary system E'CE (secondary connected to Elevated terminal and Ground), is in closest possible resonance with the oscillations impressed upon it by the primary A... It is moreover of the greatest importance in order to still further enhance the rise of pressure and to increase electrical movement in the secondary system that its resistance be as small as practicable and its self-induction as large as possible under the conditions imposed."

so from what I understood, If I already have a source, (a high voltage module, HV capacitor, Spark gap) and a constant power supply like a battery, I would have a fixed frequency (or little variation by few hundred hz).
I would need to design the secondary coil by that frequency.

upon referring to smith pdf pg 50 in his Air core Inductor's builders guide.
step 1 is to determine frequency.
some considerations:
radio frequency 20khz upward,
use natural frequency (coils have both capacitance and inductance),
wire length is either one quarter, one half wavelength.
etc..

smith says the same thing..

I've read this articles before only now I understood.

according Tesla there's an art behind wireless power transmitter , this mean several inventions melted in just one device, we still can't produce such a kind of great invention due to the lack of resource or knowledge or both !

the important is the concept behind OU results produced, in Tesla the phenomena is related with frequency F and the inductance L, in Smith it's related with frequency F and capacitance C this is of course if the voltage is omitted since it present in both Tesla and Don Smith .

Tesla system is based on the inductive side because his system work in a very low frequency compared the radio frequency generator of Don, both system are very similar but the RF device work as transmitter/receiver in local environment which produce the same phenomena as once device allow him to achieve several KW of excess energy in small area, i think we have two kind of resonance :

the resonance as we know it for example L/C resonance where there's an exchange between magnetism and electricity or energetic resonance where there's a fixed voltage points for example standing waves in this case it's not the electromagnetic resonance but we could tell it the energetic resonance or energy balance as Don described it .. to clear the idea Don gave another name to it ! magnetic resonance as you described your idea it's something very similar to self resonance coil !

[ricards]

this was posted in 06/02/2015 in the resonance energy device explained thread .

just to publish some interesting notes in Tesla patent named ART OF TRANSMITTING ELECTRICAL ENERGY THROUGH THE NATURAL MEDIUMS.
SERIAL NUMBER 787,412

would like to add some vital informations in that patent as well.

"The Physical Constants of COIL C (secondary coil), determining its period of vibration, are so chosen and adjusted that the secondary system E'CE (secondary connected to Elevated terminal and Ground), is in closest possible resonance with the oscillations impressed upon it by the primary A... It is moreover of the greatest importance in order to still further enhance the rise of pressure and to increase electrical movement in the secondary system that its resistance be as small as practicable and its self-induction as large as possible under the conditions imposed."

so from what I understood, If I already have a source, (a high voltage module, HV capacitor, Spark gap) and a constant power supply like a battery, I would have a fixed frequency (or little variation by few hundred hz).
I would need to design the secondary coil by that frequency.

upon referring to smith pdf pg 50 in his Air core Inductor's builders guide.
step 1 is to determine frequency.
some considerations:
radio frequency 20khz upward,
use natural frequency (coils have both capacitance and inductance),
wire length is either one quarter, one half wavelength.
etc..

smith says the same thing..

I've read this articles before only now I understood.

[med.3012]

now let's take what actually prof Meyl measured in his device which is very similar to Tesla , in attempt to understand something from Don Smith called energy balance , when you have energy balance working for you you are on the way !

prof Meyl detected this measurement in his device as follow :




max electric field in the sphere with zero magnetic field , the primary works inversely with zero electric field and max magnetic field , according Meyl the magnetic field in the primary has a scalar propriety and can be converted to scalar electric field in the top ball , i think this is what we need , a kind of energy balance when we could convert voltage to current directly, over unity is expected in the receiving side !!!

over unity is expected in the receiving side because the receiving side convert the voltage into electric current since the interaction is scalar the area of conversation is large and more dimensional , in Meyl experimental kits he take the power from the receiver side few turn coil , some interesting results where the input = 0.5 MW the output = 6 MW



according prof Meyl more input power will not lead to more output , the question arise is why ? if my analyse is correct the problem is the electric current increase, which lead to more loss .. the solution is to work with high voltage so the current is decreased once again and the increased voltage can lead to more power in the output , but this is not the final idea

[med.3012]

now let's take what actually prof Meyl measured in his device which is very similar to Tesla , in attempt to understand something from Don Smith called energy balance , when you have energy balance working for you you are on the way !

prof Meyl detected this measurement in his device as follow :




max electric field in the sphere with zero magnetic field , the primary works inversely with zero electric field and max magnetic field , according Meyl the magnetic field in the primary has a scalar propriety and can be converted to scalar electric field in the top ball , i think this is what we need , a kind of energy balance when we could convert voltage to current directly, over unity is expected in the receiving side !!!

[med.3012]

something similar from prof Meyl, in his experimental kit two resonance frequency was used, 4.3 MHZ for electromagnetic induction and 7.6 MHZ for scalar induction , in the same geometry two frequency worked in totally different behavior, the first frequency produce a shieldable waves but the second frequency the waves can't be shielded , this mean the second waves has the same propriety as Tesla waves , in the following photo you can see the winding where he was looking for a kind of capacitive coupling ..

[med.3012]

practical learning;

This "Phase Conjugate Electricity" or "Radiant Energy", "Dielectricity" etc.. has been a great way to actually learn the other side of electricity... one which deals more with Capacitors and not Magnets/Electromagnet/Magnetic fields.

with general knowledge of electromagnetism, One can easily infer that when Pulsing a capacitor through a Coil a "Magnetic Induction" is happening... I asked myself, If its really "Magnetic Induction" how come when I pulsed the same amount of Voltage & capacity Into both 200 Turn Coil and a 4000+ turn Coil, I get the same Output?.. Its as if the "Primary" no. of turn does not matter?.. my secondary is 20 turns, on a 200 Turn Primary and 4000+ turn Primary..
My output Only Increases If I Increase my Primary which charges the Capacitor thus having more pulses per second..
maybe its not "Magnetic Induction"... maybe its what Eric dollard calls "Dielectric Induction"..

Lets take a Tesla coil for example... 2 Turn Primary on the bottom off a 1000 Turn Secondary Cylindrical Coil... a 2 Turn Primary has very low Inductance.. I haven't tried running AC current on it.. and I doubt any sane person would try that.. as It is as good as a SHORT CIRCUIT.. the only ways I know to run a tesla coil is by capacitive discharge and Pulsed DC...
ok now lets apply what we have learned from tswift radiant energy school..
When a "Pulse" occurs on the Primary a current will flow.. a WEAK magnetic field is created.. aside from that now we know that the Secondary is Insulated from the Primary... This Pulse will be able to have an equal and opposite charge on the Secondary which is covered by the primary.. as If you look at it its actually like a CAPACITOR... now this Equal and Opposite charge only occurs in the portion of the area covered with the primary... we still have more turns of the primary that has no charge.. This "Pulled Charge" from somewhere will now try and Pull an Equal and Opposite charge again!.. on the next turn nearest to it.. which in turn generate an Equal and Opposite and Pull another.... and again and again till It reaches the top of the Secondary coil.. Its as if the Turns of the Secondary Coil are like Tiny Individual Capacitors that is connected in Series... its like +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-.. maybe the reason why it generate so much voltage...

this makes much more sense in thinking rather than thinking it as "Magnetic Induction".. because a small coil cannot generate a large magnetic field For flux lines to cut the top of the coil..

now according to don smith in some of his videos.. his device work in the same principle as a tesla coil. he pulses a few turn primary to a many turn secondary.. but instead of just having the primary in the bottom he had it on the middle.. and instead of grounding the bottom of the coil.. he grounded the middle of the secondary.. and put a resonant capacitor in the upper half of the coil trapping the energy generated bouncing back and forth at certain frequency.. while the other half is directly into a diode, into another bank of larger capacitor..
now we all know this.. as we have studied don's device for many time now.. what we don't know is this... (this is only a theory okay..)
Upon Each Pulse of don's device.. Its "Pulling" an equal and opposite charge to the ground... up into the coils.. and at the end of the pulse, that charge is dragged into the Oscillation of the resonant tank of the secondary.. adding to it.. and when the Larger capacitor bank has lesser voltage than the oscillation some of the charges will flow into the diode where it will be stored into the larger capacitor bank...

to sum it up unlike the "Hairpin" Configuration Don's device do not waste the pulse on the primary. instead he only transfers into the capacitor banks and drags the "pulled charge" into the oscillation he made.

again of course this is only a theory.. but think on the bright side.. making this kinds of theories.. were understanding electricity little by little..

this was posted in 06/02/2015 in the resonance energy device explained thread .



just to publish some interesting notes in Tesla patent named ART OF TRANSMITTING ELECTRICAL ENERGY THROUGH THE NATURAL MEDIUMS.
SERIAL NUMBER 787,412

what i am focusing is the relation between the power amplification and the electromotive force produced, notice the following paragraph from the above Tesla patent :




some interesting facts have to be noticed here:

- the turns near the primary are subjected to strong inductive action and develop a high initial electromotive force, Tesla was interested in using stationary waves for special purposes include wireless power transmission, mutual induction is a weak point so he decided to use spiral form of coil C , this allow his stationary waves oscillator to work as expected.

in ordinary electromagnetic induction transformer the voltage developed is proportional to the mutual induction that relate the primary coil with the secondary coil, the primary drive the secondary but affected by it , in Tesla system he had to avoid such mutual induction to provide a free oscillation at the same time he was able to secure a strong inductive action by approaching the few turn primary coil wires to the outside secondary coil turns like to provide something like electrostatic induction, here there is a maximum capacity provided, in other words electrostatic induction works in perpendicular direction to the plane where electromagnetic induction take action :





the obtained power in the secondary system was amplified to very high level as we can read from Tesla words, this is another indication about the strange relation between the electromotive force produced and the power gained in electrostatic induction where it's not subject to Lenz's law, power conservation can't be applied to electrostatic induction system because it's an open system by its nature !

[tswift]

A brief project status update: first loop test was unsuccessful. Not really surprised, as I have tried many hundreds of configuration that I hoped might exhibit some signs of overunity or at least something, anything unusual from which additional insight might be gained, only to fail. And fail again. And again. And again. So I'm pretty used to it by now. New theories are well and good and exciting, right up until the rubber meets the road.

However, after spending some time engaging in that clear thinking I recommend, I realized that I think I know the answer and how to fix the problem. Looking back at Vasiliev's diagram (which, to be entirely correct, he credits to some unnamed "Smolensk inventors") I realized that it was a mistake to assume that the input was from a normal grid voltage inverter. The output is shown as 220V, and the transformer is shown as a step-DOWN, and in the text he talks about the transformer only taking a "small portions" swing. So the exciting voltage from the AC source must be considerably higher than normal grid voltage, since it's going through effectively two reductions in voltage. Since the circuit seems as if it's intended to run normal grid appliances at the output, I think the most likely driver is a 50/60 Hz NST. Hmm, now this is beginning to look a lot like Don's "commercial model" circuit in some ways....

Thankfully I also have parts on hand for this. The big transformer I wound with the speaker wire can probably be used as is. Since I used two-strand wire, I can put each coil in series or parallel to modify the turns ratio and inductance, giving more flexibility for experimenting. I have the 10KV OBIT and a beefy 18KV NST from a homebuilt Tesla coil I found at a garage sale (no kidding!). Suitable high voltage caps may be a bit of a problem, I will probably have to string together a stack of film caps.

I also think I understand the bit about the "small portions" swing. At least once I have referred to my observation, with a small tabletop Tesla coil, about the white spark in the very middle of the spark fan. If you take a metal object and gradually approach the coil, two fans of purple streamers will form. One proceeding from the coil itself, and another one from the object. As you gradually reduce the distance, the two separate fans will get closer to each other and finally single streamers will reach all the way from the coil to the object. For my tabletop coil running from the 10KV OBIT, this is about 4 inches. At just this maximum distance for a single streamer to connect, you will observe that the very center of the streamer, exactly halfway between the coil and the object, turns pure white in color for just a few millimeters. Out of a 4 inch gap, which is 100 mm, perhaps 4-5 mm of the center part can be observed as white. Note that you have to get your head quite close to an operating coil to observe this, which is why a small tabletop coil running at 10 watts of power or so is useful for this observation.

So if we want to capture that nice white radiant component, we need to take only at maximum the middle 4-5% of the voltage swing with the Vasiliev "figure 14" circuit. With a 10KVAC rated OBIT for instance, the AC peaks should be about 14,000V DC so the capacitors will have to be able to withstand this. The voltage across the primary of the transformer needs to be only 5% (or less might be even better for more pure radiant) of this, or 700V peak (500V RMS). If I am correct then the current going into the primary should be nearly pure radiant and the overunity gain should be observed at the secondary. Now to get back to building....

[Solarlab]

F.Y.I

Possibly consider the "Fourier transform" of the pulse and the "filtering effects" of the transformer???

Also, the following may be of help when considering a broader view of magnetic induction:

Zaryad Russian web site:


Zaryad English translated (by Google) web site:
https://translate.googleusercontent....XaJqQlLtKgvPgQ

Electromagnetic Induction topics:
[an interesting approach to explaining electromagnetic induction by a CE theoretical physisist]

https://translate.googleusercontent....ibwA3AP7C_bIVA

Example TOPICS by AAbramovich, Author of Theoretical Foundations of Alternative
Technology About electromagnetic induction

Equivalence of induction by Lorentz and FaradayRepresentation of electric and magnetic fields

What is an electric current (and so forth) ...

You may find this site of value. It is well moderated (quite technical with minimal junk chit chat),
contains good basic information and some interesting FE/CE theories with per-requisites included.

However, although the site is translated from good (proper) Russian, caution is advised as Google
web page translation is not perfect - interpret the 'English translation' in context not literately!

Food for Thought: maybe also consider the "Hairpin" from a Standing Wave
(SW - VSWR - SWR) view. Taps at the min and max points (as measured using a slotted line instrument)?

For example; an unmatched long line (or coax or parallel line or wave guide, etc.) with a SW will
have nodes of zero and high voltage and current based on wavelength and line resonant frequencies.

FIN

[bistander]

Turns

... I asked myself, If its really "Magnetic Induction" how come when I pulsed the same amount of Voltage & capacity Into both 200 Turn Coil and a 4000+ turn Coil, I get the same Output?.. Its as if the "Primary" no. of turn does not matter?.. l

Hi ricards,

When using a voltage source to excite a coil, keeping the wire gauge the same, changing the number of turns does not affect the mmf (magnetic excitation). So it is not surprising to see the output unchanged when you alter turns.

Ampere-turns will remain constant with the same voltage applied to a coil of a particular wire gauge regardless of number of turns. Changing # of turns changes the resistance in proportion. This changes the current from the fixed voltage source. Consequently the product Amps * Turns remains the same and that is what the magnetic system sees.

It's counterintuitive but fact.

bi

[tswift]

with general knowledge of electromagnetism, One can easily infer that when Pulsing a capacitor through a Coil a "Magnetic Induction" is happening... I asked myself, If its really "Magnetic Induction" how come when I pulsed the same amount of Voltage & capacity Into both 200 Turn Coil and a 4000+ turn Coil, I get the same Output?.. Its as if the "Primary" no. of turn does not matter?.. my secondary is 20 turns, on a 200 Turn Primary and 4000+ turn Primary..

This is the kind of clear thinking and experimentation that I believe is necessary for all of us to engage in. Tesla was first and foremost a keen observer of everything, if you read his "Colorado Springs Notes" it's quite striking to read the several full pages he devotes to just his observations on the qualities of light and the atmosphere in Colorado. Closely observing every result and then thinking hard about what it means and mulling it over often produces new insights.

Upon Each Pulse of don's device.. Its "Pulling" an equal and opposite charge to the ground... up into the coils.. and at the end of the pulse, that charge is dragged into the Oscillation of the resonant tank of the secondary.. adding to it.. and when the Larger capacitor bank has lesser voltage than the oscillation some of the charges will flow into the diode where it will be stored into the larger capacitor bank...

to sum it up unlike the "Hairpin" Configuration Don's device do not waste the pulse on the primary. instead he only transfers into the capacitor banks and drags the "pulled charge" into the oscillation he made.

again of course this is only a theory.. but think on the bright side.. making this kinds of theories.. were understanding electricity little by little..

Yes, I think you're on to something with this line of reasoning. I'm currently studying the hairpin circuit but clearly Don's circuit was a way of doing the same thing and I don't yet fully understand how this is. And I agree, bit by slow and painful bit I really think we are assembling a better picture of the truth, one that will lead us where we all want to go.