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  • tswift
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    Meanwhile, back at the Don Smith ranch....

    I will attempt to explain what I think Don found while studying Tesla and replicating various experiments. By now I hope everyone following this thread is intimately familiar with Tesla's radiant energy patents from 1901, #685,957 and #685,958. I have talked about this before at some length, but they say a picture is worth a thousand words, so I saved myself some more typing by making some graphics:



    Here is a schematic of what is happening in Tesla's configuration, and why. The output circuit is omitted for clarity. A tiny current charges the cap slowly, but more importantly the current entering the cap takes on this "cold" character because it's at the reaction side of the dipole created by the high voltage source. Many experimenters have noticed that this happens naturally with the ionosphere as the high voltage source, the small induced currents that come from the ground show this cold or radiant characteristic where they can be multiplied. I could cite some sources, but I assume most everyone here is familiar with the standard free energy literature (from places like Patrick Kelly's website).

    Tesla's contribution was (A) noticing what was happening, and understanding the necessary components, and (B) realizing that the high voltage source could be artificial as well as natural, it doesn't make any difference as far as the physical process at work.

    Don then took this one step farther and noticed that the capacitor doesn't actually KNOW or CARE what the source of the charging current is. It just has to be charged with some current while in this voltage environment. In Tesla's arrangement, a small leakage current provided either by the small amount of ions in the air or by ionizing radiation/photoelectric effect charges the "receiving" plate positively. In Don's arrangement he just uses a current source of any of a number of types to remove electrons from the non-grounded plate of the storage cap, while the ground provides electrons to charge the other side:



    Again, the nature of the charge entering the capacitor takes on this unique characteristic. Apparently there is a lot we don't yet understand about the process of electrostatic induction and I don't claim to really understand it completely either. However, after much study I am pretty sure this is the mechanism that is happening in at least some of Don's devices, my lack of experimental success notwithstanding.

    In other words: Tesla figured out how to make cold electricity, but only in tiny quantities. Don figured out how to do the same thing only in vastly larger quantities. Even if the radiant energy has a sizeable COP gain upon going through a transformer, you still need more amps of it to run anything significant. Don discovered that this was possible, and exactly how to do it. It would seem that one of the obstacles is in getting the phasing correct: when using an AC high voltage source like a Tesla coil or even a plasma globe, then the current pulses would need to be in the correct phase with regard to the voltage waveform. This isn't as easy as you would think because in a quarter-wave resonator as resonance the voltage and current are in quadrature, 90 degrees out of phase. A current loop pickup coil around the Tesla resonator won't do exactly what you need, as I found out by trying it. So it would seem, yet again, that Don told us SOME of the secrets, enough to be useful but not enough to put it all together and actually make a working device.

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  • SkyWatcher
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    Hi dragon, thanks for sharing the helpful drawings and information.
    I'm going to try the mechanical method.

    I found a microwave turntable geared motor laying around here.

    Will build a commutator similar to this video.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dZWqOnKofk

    Though with only 2 poles and each stator switch will contact one commutator copper wire pole.
    So it will switch every 90 degrees.
    peace love light

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  • dragon
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    Originally posted by SkyWatcher View Post
    Hi all, well i am still thinking about what to use for automatic switching, must not be thinking hard enough.
    Anyway, in the meantime, i did some fast manual pulsing of these two .82 ohm 5 watt resistors in parallel and with about 4 flips of the switch per second, for about 100 flips, the resistors started to smoke.
    We definitely have power.
    peace love light
    I'm basically using a half H bridge circuit for switching - I'm sure there are many different possibilities, the challenge is using components that can handle the high currents.. Maybe a mechanical commutator of sorts - quickie doodle...

    I've been struggling with various methods of accomplishing this as well...
    Attached Files
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  • dragon
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    Originally posted by boguslaw View Post
    Why nanoseconds only ? If it could take 5ms then we repeat it again and again and again.....
    The .5uf cap at 5kv would contain 6 joules of energy - each time you discharge the cap the energy needs to be replaced. Replacing it as fast as it discharges would require a 500kw input. If you could store the output of that nano burst you'd have 6 joules of energy to use again....thus finding ways to store and reuse the energy is about the best we're going to do. The next logical step would be to find creative solutions to restore the energy used from C1 without disturbing the stored energy in C2,C3.

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  • SkyWatcher
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    Hi all, well i am still thinking about what to use for automatic switching, must not be thinking hard enough.
    Anyway, in the meantime, i did some fast manual pulsing of these two .82 ohm 5 watt resistors in parallel and with about 4 flips of the switch per second, for about 100 flips, the resistors started to smoke.
    We definitely have power.
    peace love light

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  • boguslaw
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    Originally posted by dragon View Post
    Absolutely right... with a .5uf cap charged to 5000 volts you can generate 1100 amps in a 1/0 cable 2ft in diameter with an inductance of 10uh. A 500kw burst of energy. We're talking nano second bursts of course. This is the same concept except we want to slow down the dissipation of energy during the balancing stages and control the amount of energy released in a given time frame... something useful and manageable.
    Why nanoseconds only ? If it could take 5ms then we repeat it again and again and again.....

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  • SkyWatcher
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    Hi all, Hi dragon, yes i have the power, at 12 volts, one of these 1.5 farad caps has 108 joules.
    I hooked up a couple .82 ohm-5 watt resistors in parallel and am getting some nice heat off of these.
    The 12 volt battery is holding it's voltage very well, considering the watts this setup has been using in these tests.
    3 days of tests and it sits at 12.59 volts.
    I will now focus more on some automatic switching, since it is beyond doubt, we can get some practical power from this idea.
    peace love light

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  • dragon
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    Originally posted by boguslaw View Post
    That's why Tesla used kV and Kapanadze said you need at least 230V
    Absolutely right... with a .5uf cap charged to 5000 volts you can generate 1100 amps in a 1/0 cable 2ft in diameter with an inductance of 10uh. A 500kw burst of energy. We're talking nano second bursts of course. This is the same concept except we want to slow down the dissipation of energy during the balancing stages and control the amount of energy released in a given time frame... something useful and manageable.

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  • boguslaw
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    That's why Tesla used kV and Kapanadze said you need at least 230V

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  • dragon
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    Nice work Ricards ! Most of the test runs I did with small caps really didn't show a significant gain, they really don't store a lot of energy. The 1000uf caps at full charge only store .31 Joules. I tested some 3300uf caps in a small set up moving around 3 joules total at around 36 volts. In order to see a reasonable gain, a cap that will store 20 Joule and higher seems to work well.

    It looks like you have the switching reasonably covered just need the storage to move the energy around, SkyWatcher has the power and simply needs to overcome the switching challenge. I need to find a better way to drive these IGBT's

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  • ricards
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    Originally posted by dragon View Post
    Ricards, Very interesting layout. Do you have some thoughts on what loads you want to drive with it? You might be on to something there....

    The basic idea is to recycle some of the existing energy while manipulating the energy being released over time using peaks and averages to drive a load that normally exceeds the inputs ability. For instance, discharging a cap through a short wire gives us an explosive release of energy usually ending in a display of arcs and loud noise, a small amount of energy dissipated in a very short time. Discharging a cap charged to 12 volts through a resistance of say 0.1 ohm will develop 120 amps at it's peak or an initial peak equivalent to a 1440 watt burst. It is not overunity by any stretch, not even unity - simply a manipulation of energy disbursement over time. By sizing the capacitance, resistance and voltage to our needs we can control the time and intensity a given amount of energy is released.
    I plan on making the Outputs an Open Terminal, so I can test what kinds on loads I can run there, that way I can just short them out If I want to test out as if they are hardwired like the schematic. for now I plan on lighting 12v mini incandescent bulb like in my previous experiment (have lots of them). I only try toy caps for now just to test out a prototype and study it carefully.

    but the circuit will be like my first.. there will be terminals for capacitors so I can change their size as I wish, I will post picture of the basic C1C2C3 (C1 as Battery) configuration I have been toying later, just to give you an idea.

    https://youtu.be/YhTZ6f238xw

    as of the moment changing cap values(capacitance) does not affect my load (visual look) my thinking was maybe the Potential difference of the Charging and Discharging was not enough to lit the bulb fully.

    for looping it I plan on putting step-up transformers. and send it back to C1 via bridge diode I've tried that but failed, no big caps at the moment (1F upward) to have high current for effective magnetic system.
    Last edited by ricards; 09-20-2017, 03:37 PM.

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  • SkyWatcher
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    Hi dragon, thanks for sharing the information, it all makes good sense to me.

    Well I'm not sure about overunity, (though based on your own experiments and from what i am observing now, mine as well) though your results show an almost 600% coefficient of performance, by reusing the energy efficiently.

    I manually switched last night for about half an hour again, this time with the 1 ohm-10 watt load and the switching time was just over a second between flips of the switch.
    So, even more power was being dissipated or pumped in the load and yet, the 12 volt tractor battery, is flipping between 12.61-12.60 volts today.
    I do wonder, if some charging of the 12 volt battery in the C1 position, might be occurring somehow.
    peace love light
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  • dragon
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    SkyWatcher, yes they are infrared heating elements. I've followed some of your heater work in the past - quite interesting. The goal with this unit is to drive 3kw of heating elements with the least possible input. With what I have right now I can get them into the IR band but only into the 900*F range so far - I need them to be over 1000*F to interact with copper sheet in order to produce a large BTU output. The quartz tube is reasonably inexpensive and the nichrome wire is cheap which makes it easy to make elements specific to a given build.

    Ricards, Very interesting layout. Do you have some thoughts on what loads you want to drive with it? You might be on to something there....

    The basic idea is to recycle some of the existing energy while manipulating the energy being released over time using peaks and averages to drive a load that normally exceeds the inputs ability. For instance, discharging a cap through a short wire gives us an explosive release of energy usually ending in a display of arcs and loud noise, a small amount of energy dissipated in a very short time. Discharging a cap charged to 12 volts through a resistance of say 0.1 ohm will develop 120 amps at it's peak or an initial peak equivalent to a 1440 watt burst. It is not overunity by any stretch, not even unity - simply a manipulation of energy disbursement over time. By sizing the capacitance, resistance and voltage to our needs we can control the time and intensity a given amount of energy is released.

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  • SkyWatcher
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    Hi all, Hi dragon, nice work, thanks for sharing.
    Are those two coil devices heater coils of some kind?
    Hmm, i will have to think of something quieter for switching.
    A stepper motor with commutator attached, to switch gate of transistors or a stamp micro-controller, programmed to flip flop.
    A stamp controller was given to me some time ago, though i fried it accidentally.
    Well, for the moment, i'm making further tests using a simple wall 3 way light switch.
    I hooked up a 1 ohm-10 watt resistor this time and it charges and discharges much faster, so more usable power can be pumped.
    The resistor gets very hot, very quickly, with 20 flips of the switch, i cannot hold the resistor any longer.
    Yes, you must be aware of my many space heater builds and experiments and i was thinking the exact same thing, this could be used to create a nice, efficient heater of some kind.
    peace love light
    Last edited by SkyWatcher; 09-19-2017, 03:20 AM.

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  • ricards
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    Switching

    I did the same with CD4017 driven by ne555, Its a bit noisy with the relay though and I noticed a little voltage drop so the battery runs down a little bit but not as much as you would run the load directly from the battery,

    taking it further
    Back_n_Forth.pdf

    in this configuration I have more cap to charge individually but will have more volt per discharge back to battery, in theory.. same amount of energy to charge the capacitor is going back to the battery when put in series but since there are voltage drop and losses you will get less.. you can drive loads in between every capacitor.

    the reason why I had thought of getting more caps in series would be to lessen the remaining voltage on each cap after discharge so the battery charging it would have more potential difference compared to individual caps. (better output).
    a small calc tool is attached.
    Charge_Calc.zip

    no more shorted caps!
    Last edited by ricards; 09-19-2017, 09:51 AM. Reason: Fixed attachments

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