Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[boguslaw]

If you the answer then tell us. I agree about radiant energy and capacitors, grounding is probably for safety reason imho.

[tswift]

Please permit me, if you will, to save everyone else a great of time and effort experimenting with the various things that are known not to work. In here we talk about reproducing the "Don Smith Device", as if it were just one single device. Clearly it isn't, even just in the "Resonance Energy Methods" booklet I count at least 12 totally different designs, and there are more if you watch all the videos. What is it that they all have in common? What characteristics are different? For starters I would suggest that you can completely strike out such things as matched CW/CCW coils and the 1:4 ratio of wire by length, or by weight, as being of any value. As I have suggested before, it is highly instructive for any experimenter on the Don Smith front to take time out and design and build a conventional Tesla coil first. This will help you develop many skills. Hmm, didn't Don show a picture of one of his designs that just essentially bolted on to a TOTALLY CONVENTIONAL TESLA COIL? Have you stopped to consider why that is?

Also, over the years no small number of experimenters have fooled with Don Smith-like configurations and very, very few have claimed any measure of success. If the real secret was any of the more obvious things then certainly more people would have stumbled across it by now. If it was as simple as using wire in 1:4 ratio either by length or by weight, then certainly conventional Tesla hobbyists not even looking for overunity would have discovered that certain combinations produce unusual results.

No, after no small amount of research and experimentation, I have concluded that the secret lies in the combination of the ground, the capacitance, and the voltage environment. It is some combination of these that produces the effects we are looking for. When correct, the storage capacitor in the Don Smith machine (ANY of them) gets charged with this magic radiant/cold electricity, which then produces overunity gain by reducing Lenz's law when put through a transformer. You will see these elements as conserved in every one of Don's configurations (excepting those that presumably work a completely different principle, such at the magnetic shielding idea).

Also, I once at the workbench very clearly saw the radiant effect show up. I had been zapping a nearly dead 12V gel-cell with about 10,000V from my oil burner transformer. At the feeble currents the transformer delivers this didn't charge it appreciably, and yet when I used it to power my PVM12 high-frequency supply immediately afterward, for about a minute the looped configuration I had set up zoomed up in voltage instead of running down. Then the effect dissipated and it returned to acting normally. Essentially, imagine doing something very like a Bedini-style pulse charger does, only instead of getting a sharp positive pulse from the magnetic flyback effect of a coil, essentially zapping the positive terminal of the battery with an NST, dioded, into a spark gap. The negative is connected to ground, just as in the Bedini configurations. The real question is, WHY DID THIS PRODUCE UNCONVENTIONAL RESULTS? If I really knew the full answer to that question then I would have a working device by now, but I don't. I have a lot of ideas, but the ideas only last until I can actually prove them at the workbench.

One last parting shot: why did Kapanadze bury an old radiator in the ground before connecting the device in that first garden video? Why not just attach to the building wiring as Don did? This is a rhetorical question, because I already know the answer, as should you if you have actually built and operated a Tesla coil of any significant size and power.

[med.3012]

Yes ! this is the point very nice quote !

[boguslaw]

[med.3012]

Hello med.3012,

Thanks for the reply and information. I will have to get my head around your first comments as they relate to the induction process with the "classic" don smith configuration:- that is the split L2 with an internal L1.

Regarding the 1:4 ration, I have tried a couple of configurations using weight only. My reason was that to get the 4:1 increase from 2kv to 8kv the 1:4 wire ratio does not work with the L1 when coupled internally to L2 , you will only ever get about 1:1.6 ratio. I think this is why Don used a thick coil for his L1 with fewer turns ratio to get the increase in output. I have not had much luck with that either. I can light the new led light globes that connect to the power grid but am unable to drive any resistance related globe. I can get up to 1kv across the caps.

Also, the configuration of the input circuit for the nst might be critical. Given that most of the current nst's have self regulating circuitry, I have found that driving L1 with a GDT across the output and centre tap of the nst and the cap I place in series with the L1 coil which loops back to the other end of the GDT gives me a bright strong pulse. Although I am not sure if it is this pulse that I am looking for or if this pulse should be excluded from the sequence, and the pulsing prior to discharge through the GDT is the chain of pulses is where my attention should be focused!

Thanks again for the reply

Dwane

Hello! you are welcome !


i found two very important link attributed to Don Smith, to be honest i found the information there as a treasure ..
it's a Compilation of important info Don Smith shared to NuEnergy Yahoo group, personally i found it very informative regarding my theory.

https://energyevo.com/2015/01/18/updated-compilation-of-important-info-don-smith-shared-to-nuenergy-yahoo-group/

https://energyevo.com/2016/08/05/nuenergy-and-freeenergy-missing-posts/

[Dwane]

this depend on the waves you are using. scalar waves has more speed than light, even 2 times or 3 times even more .. the waves length as known in electromagnetism no longer can be used because scalar waves change its frequency but the overall waves has a direction ( the name scalar can't define all its Characteristics.. )

the concept 1:4 isn't the only choice you have, even dividing the length or multiplication can work .

Hello med.3012,

Thanks for the reply and information. I will have to get my head around your first comments as they relate to the induction process with the "classic" don smith configuration:- that is the split L2 with an internal L1.

Regarding the 1:4 ration, I have tried a couple of configurations using weight only. My reason was that to get the 4:1 increase from 2kv to 8kv the 1:4 wire ratio does not work with the L1 when coupled internally to L2 , you will only ever get about 1:1.6 ratio. I think this is why Don used a thick coil for his L1 with fewer turns ratio to get the increase in output. I have not had much luck with that either. I can light the new led light globes that connect to the power grid but am unable to drive any resistance related globe. I can get up to 1kv across the caps.

Also, the configuration of the input circuit for the nst might be critical. Given that most of the current nst's have self regulating circuitry, I have found that driving L1 with a GDT across the output and centre tap of the nst and the cap I place in series with the L1 coil which loops back to the other end of the GDT gives me a bright strong pulse. Although I am not sure if it is this pulse that I am looking for or if this pulse should be excluded from the sequence, and the pulsing prior to discharge through the GDT is the chain of pulses is where my attention should be focused!

Thanks again for the reply

Dwane

[mikrovolt]

I've been reading the Smith pdf from free-energy-info.com. On page 89 it says "This transformer is a laminated iron core type, suitable for the low mains frequency, but the output from L2 is at a much higher frequency. It is possible to pull the frequency down to suit the step down transformer by connecting the correct value of R across the output transformer (or a coil and resistor or a coil and capacitor).

Has anybody tried this? I can't find anything more about this in the online electronics sites. Everything I have read is indicating the only way to change the frequency is to first rectify the wave to DC and then use an inverter to convert back to the desired frequency.

I intend replicating the circuit on pages 102 - 103 which is from this youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3vr...ature=youtu.be

Assuming resistance / frequency / current might be part of the scheme like this
The resistor and the dielectric have property relationships in certain modes. section 3.2 https://www.hindawi.com/journals/amse/2014/578168/
From a practical instrumentation aspect a triggered spark has the bnc connectors to the adjustment panel and after warm up 6 hours settling you can find when
the current / travel rate is for a given dielectric and wave. beside the control panel* There is a resistor coming out of PT-55 used to reduce jitter.
Patronix PT-55 Series
After the values are found the spark gap is designed to approximate those values and a special capacitor made that fits the interpolated test data.

[med.3012]

Me too and other issues. However, I like the concept of current leading the voltage by 90 degrees. Makes a lot of sense. Just have to work out how to join it with the Volts!

What does not seem to make sense is using the matched wire concept 1:4 and getting not reaction!

This is a work in progress for me - time permitting

Thanks for the information

Dwane

this depend on the waves you are using. scalar waves has more speed than light, even 2 times or 3 times even more .. the waves length as known in electromagnetism no longer can be used because scalar waves change its frequency but the overall waves has a direction ( the name scalar can't define all its Characteristics.. )

the concept 1:4 isn't the only choice you have, even dividing the length or multiplication can work .

[Dwane]

I have puzzled over this as well, ....

Me too and other issues. However, I like the concept of current leading the voltage by 90 degrees. Makes a lot of sense. Just have to work out how to join it with the Volts!

What does not seem to make sense is using the matched wire concept 1:4 and getting not reaction!

This is a work in progress for me - time permitting

Thanks for the information

Dwane

[tswift]

Has anybody tried this? I can't find anything more about this in the online electronics sites. Everything I have read is indicating the only way to change the frequency is to first rectify the wave to DC and then use an inverter to convert back to the desired frequency.[/URL]

I have puzzled over this as well, and experimented with it to no avail. Apparently it's one of the differences between "cold" and "hot" electricity. If the Don Smith configuration is working properly, the charge in the storage cap will be cold electricity, and this is what works the magic in the final transformer. Zilano also mentioned that this method with the resistor works to "pull the frequency down" and can be used to give 60 cycle sine wave AC without an inverter. I have had no luck making this work in practice, if you discharge a cap into the primary of a transformer it will indeed oscillate (at the LC resonant frequency). If you add a resistor across the transformer it will oscillate FASTER not slower, and the oscillations will die out sooner because of the power dissipation. So either this method is completely bogus and doesn't actually work in practice, or there is some different phenomenon that is supposed to show up when things are working right.

[boguslaw]

Donald Smith would only work if you apply Tesla method of conversion. Below 10kHz is is dangerous in higher power level

[kenssurplus]

I've been reading the Smith pdf from free-energy-info.com. On page 89 it says "This transformer is a laminated iron core type, suitable for the low mains frequency, but the output from L2 is at a much higher frequency. It is possible to pull the frequency down to suit the step down transformer by connecting the correct value of R across the output transformer (or a coil and resistor or a coil and capacitor).

Has anybody tried this? I can't find anything more about this in the online electronics sites. Everything I have read is indicating the only way to change the frequency is to first rectify the wave to DC and then use an inverter to convert back to the desired frequency.

I intend replicating the circuit on pages 102 - 103 which is from this youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3vr...ature=youtu.be

Hi, My own efforts (which were mostly failures) in regards to Don Smith were to do as he suggested somewhere - start at the end result that you want and work backwards.

My solution, which was not a Don Smith device or circuit, was to use the high voltage DC into a rotary variable capacitor to induce a 60 cycle oscillation through a standard high voltage transformer. This method did not work for me as the variable rotary capacitor construction was not built to the level it needed to be to do the job. The concept, however, should be sound and workable.

Although I do understand about adding resistance and capacitance to match the output transformer for a resonance frequency of 60 hz, I have not attempted nor really considered going in that line of experimentation - it being to expensive for me to source parts and replacements should any magic smoke leak out. I was / am limited to items I have on hand or can make out of things I have here.

Good luck in your efforts.

[p75213]

I've been reading the Smith pdf from free-energy-info.com. On page 89 it says "This transformer is a laminated iron core type, suitable for the low mains frequency, but the output from L2 is at a much higher frequency. It is possible to pull the frequency down to suit the step down transformer by connecting the correct value of R across the output transformer (or a coil and resistor or a coil and capacitor).

Has anybody tried this? I can't find anything more about this in the online electronics sites. Everything I have read is indicating the only way to change the frequency is to first rectify the wave to DC and then use an inverter to convert back to the desired frequency.

I intend replicating the circuit on pages 102 - 103 which is from this youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3vr...ature=youtu.be

[mikrovolt]

The Alexanderson design at Bolinas recollection before bulldozer by Eric Dollard
also the Marconi and Tesla design

http://www.energeticforum.com/187699-post176.html

[ricards]

Electrostatic Induction

hello tswift,

just want to share my thoughts, Electrostatic Induction or in eric dollard's term I believe is Dielectric Induction, is something we can further study by experiments like Hairpin Circuit (low or high voltage it just works) or in recent case would be dragon's "charge pump" experiment,
the Idea is to power things not with current but by voltage, only the initial current flow that charges the capacitor or the initial current by discharging the capacitor is what's powering the load my experiments tells me that this current is like a weird Alternating Current and can be used to power transformers.

and just want to comment on the nature of charge.. as I think "charge" is a "state" of something electrically (polarity) not actually some + and - "thing", that enters the capacitor. you can verify this by the 3 capacitor experiment..

Put 3 Capacitor in Series, Charge it to a certain voltage... now take all the capacitors apart and try to measure the middle capacitor with a volt meter, you would notice that it is "Charged" not because something entered it (because its literally not connected to the source)... but because it has been polarized.. something that is already there has been "polarized" and could not return to its "un-polarized" state(ambient) because of the dielectric in the capacitor.. and it would stay in its polarized state for some quite time ("charged").

by grasping the Idea of "Never Discharging" I am starting to see don smith was doing this magnetically, I am starting to see "Amperage" only as a rate of which Potential is Reduced to ambient. one thing I would like to find out now was if this "Energy Transfer" was indeed real or is just some misconceptualized Idea because the initial "Energy" was only used ONCE...

well this is only a theory I developed along this research.. and would collapse if the experimental results were not as expected.. but its all part of learning..