High Voltage from Thin Air?

[DrStiffler]

Hi all.

Dr, that circuit worked a treat, straight out of the box. I got some limited results, until I fiddled around with the second inductor (the one marked 2-20u on your diagram) and inserted a rf choke/inductor of the correct rating. They look almost identical to a resistor. I also used a 22u one off the collector.

I tried inserting a small variable capacitor in parallel with the 400pF silver mica.
But I cant vary it without effecting the circuit. I have another I will try which has a plastic tuning wheel.

For the moment I get my best results with the LEDs joining the 22u and not connected to the second tower. I had some trouble connecting it to the tower and getting it to light. I think I need to get more inductors out to try, or a little ferrite slug which I can adjust. The only way I could get it to light was connected to the 37th turn tap. Connected to the aluminum tophat gives me nothing.

In the photos the second tower is connected to the 22u, as well as the LED's.

They sure light up bright

Thanks for your help Dr Stiffler and all. Looking forward to more tinkering.

Regards

@ren
Not fully grasping what you said, but you appear to be getting close to the right tuning. I do agree it is the coils. Sadly just knowing L is not enough to insure they can tune properly. Anyway you now are close enough to make those small incremental changes to move forward.

[mlurye]

Hello all,
Here are some things that might be helpful.
1. Link to unaltered Moray's book that is very hard to find MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service
2. Moray mentioned that positioning of coils is very important (Doc you mentioned it too) and Daniel POMERLEAU David Pomerleau -- Free Energy Coils did it.

Combine Docs exciter, Moray's idea of where energy is coming from (read the book and you’ll get more interesting ideas and facts) and Daniel POMERLEAU coils energy amplifier and you might find the holy grail of free energy

[Lidmotor]

SEC 15 at sea results

t@All
Good news! The SEC works just as good out on the water as it does on land.

@Dr. S
On the experiment that I ran I tried the ground connected to my boat gound wire ( mine is like your's with sacrificial zincs and a ground wire connecting the thru hulls) and I also tried it with a wire attached to a piece of metal lowered straight into the sea. Both methods worked just like the earth ground stake at the house. On my current setup I am not using the earth ground on the main circuit but at the wireless AV plug.
The second part of the experiment was real world usage of the light output and that was also successful. What I found was that you can make BIG light easy alot of ways--but what does it cost you. On this little SEC unit running on two 9volt batteries it is amazing the bang for the buck.

@Ren
I have the two towers connected on this setup this way:
Tower one coil to collector directly. Bottom of tower two coil connects to top hat of one. Center taps are not used. Tuning is done with the slug on the tunable inductor. The circuit is standard. Basically I followed Mutten's setup. Tower one takes the place of L3.

I made a video but the upload rate was too slow over here using the cell phone link.

Cheers,

Lidmotor

[ren]

@ren
Not fully grasping what you said, but you appear to be getting close to the right tuning. I do agree it is the coils. Sadly just knowing L is not enough to insure they can tune properly. Anyway you now are close enough to make those small incremental changes to move forward.

Thanks Dr S.

All of my post is in reference to your site you linked a few posts back with the diagram of the SEC 15-3. I referenced the numbers and letters (22u, 2-20u etc) from it, the only abbreviation I was unsure of was the "Lb"? All others are near identical, with L1 being the towers first 37 turns from your document.

@ Lid, awesome. I can see some real applications for this little unit on your boat. Navigation lights especially. Should try and find some of the 10mm LEDs I got, they are working a treat. One wonders just how many one can string together in series...

I dont quite follow your setup? Tower one is not connected to your tophat, tower 2 connects to that? How did you configure it when you did your wireless experiment? I will look back and try and find Muttens setup.


Regards

[Loki67671]

Not GONE just recovering AGAIN

Hi everyone,
I haven't been very active anywhere lately as I have managed once again to send a computer to it's complete death. Looks like the hard-drive containing the OS, Video Card, and Mother Board. I need a barn...... In any case my new machine will be here tomorrow and then I won't have to suffer the SLOW anguish of a P3-450 running Linux. I like Linux but not 450MHz computers. Keep your PUTERS out of the bubble's! That is IF YOU CAN!

More to come
Jim

[marxist]

synthesizer

Hello Dr. Stiffler and all,

Dr. Stiffler has repeatedly pointed out, that the SEC is based on an ultra wide band oscillator.
I understand "ultra wide band oscillation" as an oscillation, that would be comprised of a ultra large number of underlying frequencies which - appearing simultaneously - form the "wide band".

That would be comparable to white light, which is comprised of all the frequencies of the visible spectrum (=the frequencies contained in a rainbow, which constitute the "ultra big number of underlying frequencies").

I hope this comparison is sensible.
Since white light can be "synthesized" by adding three distinct colours, I was thinking, whether it might be possible, such as in synthesizing white light, to synthesize the ultra wide band oscillation for a SEC by adding up the three required basic frequencies.

If that is viable, it would be possible to use three distinct oscillators to synthesize a signal to be used for the SEC, eliminating the dependency on the MPSA06 transistor.

Thanks
especially to Lid for his clearly structured videos.

[mudwump]

Sec 15-3

I just hooked up my SEC 15-3 up to the towers similar to Lidmotor. All 48 LEDs lit easily and the transistor is remaining cool. I have a couple of radio tuning capacitors arriving this week. I would like to see if I can tune the towers through two different ground stakes in lieu of the single wire.

[mudwump]

Two Receivers

Some interesting results tonight. I have the transmitter tower running off of a SEC 15-3. I have two receiver towers both simultaneously light LEDs well.

The first receiver tower has a one wire lead to the transmitter tower and I have a earth ground to the negative side of the AV plug that supports the LEDs. It lights the 48 LEDs so brightly that I can not look at them.

The second receiver is totally wireless. I only have 9 LEDs at this time lit. I will build a block of 48 tomorrow night. All nine of the LEDs shine brightly. On the second tower, I have the bottom lead of the tower going to earth ground and the end with the cups going to the AV plug for the 9 LEDs.

One very interesting part is that when I connected the earth ground to the 48 LEDs, the LEDs shined much brighter.

I will try to start posting pictures tomorrow.

[ren]

Hi everyone,
I haven't been very active anywhere lately as I have managed once again to send a computer to it's complete death. Looks like the hard-drive containing the OS, Video Card, and Mother Board. I need a barn...... In any case my new machine will be here tomorrow and then I won't have to suffer the SLOW anguish of a P3-450 running Linux. I like Linux but not 450MHz computers. Keep your PUTERS out of the bubble's! That is IF YOU CAN!

More to come
Jim

Lol @ Jim.

Cant afford to nuke my computer so I will be looking for a barn too for future experiments, a faraday barn . Were you doing tests right next to it, or was it across the room?

@ Mudwump and Lidmotor. I have had limited success with the circuit as described by Lid. It seems that whenever I try to connect to both tower tops I kill the effect. I also dont get any results when I try to use the full length of the towers coil. All my best results have been with the 15-3 and the first 37 turns of the coil. I wondered whether the towers were actually hindering my performance, considering that the circuit that goes with the towers isnt identical to the 15-3.

So I built a little circuit using 20ish turns and the sec 15-3 and it lights up my 36 LEDS fine. The circuit is smaller than a 9v battery which makes it easier to mount/store/place than the towers are. I still want to look into the towers some more, Id love to get some wireless action happening eventually. Im looking at getting/making an LCR meter, I found a good kit online that measures on the smallest scales (Pico's etc) for about $60. You have to assemble it yourself, but thats half the fun. Its getting annoying not being able to measure inductance and capacitance, as I have no way of documenting what gives me good results.

Still trying to chase down a good variable capacitor that is easily adjustable in the 2-50pF range. Found a small variable inductor which is working great on the 15-3 circuit.

Regards

[lamare]

Experiments with tickler coil

Hi all,

During the weekend, I experimented with a tickler coil in combination with the 144 turn tapped coil as specified by Doc. One small difference is that I used a 12.7 mm hollow tube, instead of a 12.5 mm solid rod and 0.5 mm wire instead of the 0.51 mm 24 AWG Doc uses. That was the closest I could get.

I connected the lower lead of the coil to Vcc (+/- 24V) and the tap to the collector of the MPSA06. The tickler coil was about 30 turns 0.5 mm, connected to the negative power supply and to the base of the transistor, trough a couple capacitor of varying values, from about 50 pF to 1 nF.

First of all, I got a result which surprised me: the lowest oscillation frequency I saw was at about 4.5 MHz, which was measured by counting the peaks on an analog scope screen, with an accuracy of about +/- 0.3 MHz, I guess. This means that the 1/4 lambda frequency of our 144 turn coil must be at about 4.5 MHz.

With a 100 pF couple cap in the feedback loop and a ball of about 8 cm diameter wrapped with aluminium foil, I could get the 4.5 MHz, as well as with an unloaded coil and a feedback cap of 1 nF. With the 100 pF feedback cap, I could also light a TL of about 20-25 cm length with an oscillation frequency of about 9.5 MHz.

Finally, I used a 100 pF trimmer as feedback cap. Then I could also get an oscillation at about 13.25 - 13.5 MHz. It appeared the TL would be brighter then as with the 9.5 MHz oscillation, and I could move it around much the same as when I drove the coil with the SEC-15 circuit. I measured the trimmer to be around 50 pF at this point.

I wrapped the power leads a couple of times trough a ring-core (from an old PC PS) and attached an amp meter in the power line, connected between the PS and the ring core. It appeared to measure the current normally, which varied from about 20 mA to 60 mA. I haven't written anything down on the current measurements, but it appeared the current would be less, the higher the oscillation frequency and it appeared also to become less, once the coil was loaded with a TL tube.

So, it looks like the tickler coil is useable, but you still need to tune the feedback loop, even though this is a different kind of tuning, because the feedback loop from the tickler coil does not directly influence the oscillation frequency, as far as I can tell. It more or less functions as a high-pass filter, so the lower harmonics are unable to steer the transistor open, and the system is forced into a higher frequency oscillation.

Next thing I want to try, is to make a transforming, coil much like a Tesla coil, because I have the feeling the tap on the coil introduces reflections in the signal. I'm thinking of wiring three coils on one core, with at the top a tickler coil for the feedback, in the middle the resonance coil and a the bottom a separate power-feed coil.


Finally, I found some interesting papers about how radio antenna's might appear much bigger in the EM field as their physical size, and why this makes that they are able to "suck" EM energy out of a much bigger area as their physical size:
Nikola Tesla Page, Tesla's power receiver
Nearfield coupling and tuned circuits

help about energy sucking antennas
Re: help about energy sucking antennas

The article you mention touches on the related subject of active antennas. The idea of an active antenna is to cancel out some (or all) of the loss resistance in an antenna using an active circuit simulating a negative resistance. Conceptually, the negative resistance circuit adds power to the antenna exactly in phase with the incoming signal. This can be tricky, too much negative resistance will cause the circuit to oscillate. One of the earliest radio receivers invented by Edwin Armstrong operates on this principle, it is known as a regenerative receiver. You can find discussions and schematics of regenerative receivers all over the Web. They are easy and fun to build, but they do not violate any of the laws of physics as we know them today.

The circuit described by Sutton & Spaniol at this web page contains a negative resistance source, not entirely different from that of Armstrong. As an incredible co-incidence, I met John Sutton during my high school days as a summer intern at NASA Goddard more than 20 years ago! Although regenerative receivers are simple and effective, they are not practical in many applications. They take more effort to tune when compared to heterodyne receivers (also pioneered by Armstrong). As negative resistance is increased, the Q of the circuit increases, and the bandwidth decreases. The limit is zero total resistance, zero bandwidth and infinite Q. At that point, you have an oscillator. There's an old engineering adage: "If you want an oscillator, build an amplifier".

The Black hole antenna:
The Black Hole Antenna

[lamare]

Apparatus for converting radio frequency energy to direct current

Hi all,

Just stumbled across this patent:
Apparatus for converting radio ... - Google Patent Search

This looks quite interesting, because the output from the dipole looks very similar to an AV plug, so it might be useful in our circuitry too.

[Lidmotor]

Using boat SS railings as part of circuit

@ Dr. S
I tried using the boat's stainless steel railings and the lifelines as part of the circuit and had good results. I don't quite understand WHY that works but it does. Understanding these waves and how they move still confuses me. I tried all kinds of setups using the ocean ground and the railings and the some ways that should have worked didn't and some ways that shouldn't have did.:thinking I will tell you more about it when I get back.

@Ren--I kinda feel your pain about getting all this to work the way that it should. It eventually does but it take alot of tinkering. My experimenter prototype board I think is part of the problem. The Doc says that it has it's own capacitance and it effects things. Also the arrangement of the components on the board has some effect.

@Mudwump
Wow! It sounds like you are getting even better results than me. When I get back from my trip I'll try some of the things that you describe. I was glad to hear that your transistor is not getting hot just like mine isn't. That tells me that this method might be working like Doc wants it. When you get yours running good try pulling the base resistor and see if it the circuit still oscillates. He says that is another way to tell if we are where we should be.

@All
Had a good time on the voyage but it was cold and rough for 2 days at one anchorage. I'll be sailing home Tuesday.

Cheers,

Lidmotor

[mudwump]

Two Receivers

Well, less than the ideal results I was hoping for in running one transmitter with two receivers. All three tower were as close as I could get to being identical with the same number of windings and the length of the wire being the same. Each receiver had a bank of 48 bright white LEDs in series. I even went so far as to measure the resistance of the base of the coil to the cups and all three were very close. When I turned on the SEC 15-3, it lit both sets of LEDs to about 1/4 brightness. The transistor on the SEC remained at ambient temperature throughout the process. When I attempted to fine tune the SEC by turning the ferrite core, one set of LEDs would get brighter and the other set would dim. When I turned the core the opposite direction the situation on the LEDs sets would reverse. My interpretation of this is that the towers are still ever so slightly different in the tuning requirements that they are not in tune together. I had sort of suspected this. So, now I need to wait for my radio tuning capacitors... at least I think.

Doc, am I close on the logic process?

I am tired for tonight.

Steve

[lamare]

Very interesting article on LMD / TEM waves in coils

Hi all,

I have seen this article before, but it's only now that I realise it's relevance:
The L.M.D./T.E.M.Test

The transmission line "analog computer" shown here was first shown by Dollard and Lindemann, when they investigated longitudinal waves. For the transverse waves, the main propagation is trough the inductors, while for the longitudinal waves, the main propagation gous trough the capacitors. Of course, you always have both waves in an actual coil, but once you understand the significance of this article, you can choose which one you want to be the strongest one.

The trick is actually quite simple. An inductor blocks high frequencies, while a capacitor does the opposite - the higher the frequency, the better the capacitor conducts. So, all you need to do is to use higher frequencies!

The higher the frequency you use, the more the coil acts as a longitudinal transmission line and the more you get "pure voltage" resonance, while on the other hand, you need less current to get the same voltage, since that is blocked by the inductor the higher your frequency.

In other words: You get more bang (voltage) for the buck (current), the higher the resonance frequency you use....

[Lattice333]

A Puzzle

Hello everyone - have been enjoying your posts and links!

Here's some photos which you may find somewhat puzzling and worth considering.

When the inductance in emitter-base coil is reduced the AV Plug+LED array connected to the ground (on the right in photos) is all lit but the AV Plug+LED array between it and the Exciter is not.

What do you make of this?