High Voltage from Thin Air?

[H2inICE]

YouTube - ESEC Is Alive and Well

I can only say wow, Dr Stiffler

Can't wait to test it out...



Mr H2inICE

[kent_elyue]

@Kent_elyue
I am using 39 turns of 24 ga on the bobbin. Someone earlier in the thead figured it out. The tower coils are 24 ga also.



Lidmotor

Thank you very kindly.

(And since I have your attention for the moment, Kudos on all your work and all the youtube videos you've posted. I'm following your work with keen interest. Thank you for sharing.)

-kent

[Lidmotor]

SEC running a second SEC--- wirelessly

@Kent_elyue
Thanks. Everyone should watch Doc's latest video where he uses a computer to track the energy flow on a timed run. It is amazing. H2inICE thanks for the link.

@Dr. Stiffler & All
I built a second identical SEC 15-3 to do the testing that we discussed and are far as I got was to make one of them blink off the other. I did get it to do it wirelessly though and that was pretty neat to see. Here is the video of it:
YouTube - SEC Running a 2nd SEC----- Wirelessly

I also bought a better DVM that does what I want it to and has so far confirmed to me that I am seeing (when the SEC is in tune) a CEC>1. The amp flow through the LED block is the only part where I have to do more testing. Testing with just linked 9volt batterries (8) showed surprisingly low amp draw to get the series 27 LEDs to start coming on then jumped dramatically when they came on bright with more voltage. Measured voltage at the LED tower plug in the video was 72 volts. Tests with a voltage drop across the 1 ohm resistor (as per the measurement doc) showed .03 amps.----or was it .003?? Hummm . If it is .03 we have a winner!!! If it is .003 well---it's back to the drawing board. I am cofident that the source output is indeed 12volts at .026 amps.

Lidmotor

[DrStiffler]

@Kent_elyue
Thanks. Everyone should watch Doc's latest video where he uses a computer to track the energy flow on a timed run. It is amazing. H2inICE thanks for the link.

@Dr. Stiffler & All
I built a second identical SEC 15-3 to do the testing that we discussed and are far as I got was to make one of them blink off the other. I did get it to do it wirelessly though and that was pretty neat to see. Here is the video of it:
YouTube - SEC Running a 2nd SEC----- Wirelessly

I also bought a better DVM that does what I want it to and has so far confirmed to me that I am seeing (when the SEC is in tune) a CEC>1. The amp flow through the LED block is the only part where I have to do more testing. Testing with just linked 9volt batterries (8) showed surprisingly low amp draw to get the series 27 LEDs to start coming on then jumped dramatically when they came on bright with more voltage. Measured voltage at the LED tower plug in the video was 72 volts. Tests with a voltage drop across the 1 ohm resistor (as per the measurement doc) showed .03 amps.----or was it .003?? Hummm . If it is .03 we have a winner!!! If it is .003 well---it's back to the drawing board. I am cofident that the source output is indeed 12volts at .026 amps.

Lidmotor

@Lidmotor
Hold the horses at the rail. If you have input of (12V * 0.026) then you have 0.312J input or call it .312 Watt Seconds or 312mW. Now all you need to break even is your (0.312/72 = 0.0043mA). Now if your meter is say 0.1% and +/- 1 digit this could be hard to see, so we will hope that it is > 4mA.
Good work and a step closer...

[DrStiffler]

Question for the thread

Okay, every one that wants to bash work that says CEC>1 is just not possible and makes the demand that "The Only Proof Is A Self Runner", lets see just what the lurking peanut gallery responds.

What do (the pundits) think is the minimal CEC required to obtain a self runner?

To help out, what 100%, 150% or 200%?

I really would like to see some answers so we can line up all those that really know and those that are blowing wind

Humm....

[mudwump]

Ok, Doc...

A straight question...
Do you have a self runner?

Best regards,
Steve

[DrStiffler]

A straight question...
Do you have a self runner?

Best regards,
Steve

@Steve

My private email still works.

So no respect for my question?

[Shamus]

Doc, I think that no matter how carefully you do your experiments and record data there's always going to be people who will never believe what you show them because it doesn't fit in with their indoctrination, err, world view.

So, to answer your question, it would all depend on 1), whether the cohered energy is able to power the exciter and 2), if there's enough left over after the losses incurred in getting into condition to power said exciter. How much would that be? Seems 300% would be sufficient, maybe 200% would be.

1) would seem to hold, since the cohered energy seems to able to power semiconductors (like LEDs) as well as more mundane loads like incandescent lights and motors.

BTW, when contacting you by email, do you still require a digital signature? Would a PGP signed message be enough?

[mudwump]

@Steve

My private email still works.

So no respect for my question?

Oh my goodness, you have all my respect, of course.

I just got my super caps in yesterday after they did a miss shipment and I am deep into trying to create a self runner. Still too early for results. I found a sweet spot range that I have to keep the caps charged to, on the discharge cycle. I don't want to go below about 17.6 V and on the charge side I go to 19.6 V. With this range, I can keep the SEC15-3 tuned.

To answer your question... it depends.

If there is no load besides the board for simplicity's sake, total energy out must be slightly over energy in. All it takes is a small fraction to be above that point. If there is a load beyond the board, then total energy out, minus the load, has to be greater than total energy in. In my mind, the wild card is the energy coherence. How the energy coherence fits in to the equation, I am not sure yet. The coherence could be from a different pot of energy, like a siphon draining the energy from the cosmos. I hope we do not drain too much.

[Lidmotor]

The Lidmotor 9 volt battery test

@ All
I did a test using just 9 volt batteries to gauge power in vs out. I got my SEC to light up 27 leds on one 9 volt. I then tested lighting them up using (8) joined together (no SEC) to get a feel for power usage. It was an interesting little test. Here is the video of it:

YouTube - SEC 15---- Lidmotor's 9volt battery test

Lidmotor

[marxist]

droppings from the gallery

@Lidmotor
Hold the horses at the rail. If you have input of (12V * 0.026) then you have 0.312J input or call it .312 Watt Seconds or 312mW. Now all you need to break even is your (0.312/72 = 0.0043mA). Now if your meter is say 0.1% and +/- 1 digit this could be hard to see, so we will hope that it is > 4mA.
Good work and a step closer...

I think think some units of measure were misplaced and propose:
If you have input of (12V * 0.026A) then you have 0.312 Joules per Second input or call it .312W or 312mW. Now all you need to break even is your (0.312/72 = 0.0043A). Now if your meter is say 0.1% and +/- 1 digit this could be hard to see, so we will hope that it is > 4mA.

...minimal CEC required to obtain a self runner?
...

Hi Doc,
I think any CEC > 1 will do, as long as you run the output through something like your big cap (as shown in your vid YouTube - ESEC Is Alive and Well) while you use this device solely above the intersection point of the two lines.

Would you attribute a CEC > 1 to such a 'storage device' when it is operated above the 'break even point'?

And please, what does the 'LED blinking rate' in Lidmotor's latest video YouTube - SEC Running a 2nd SEC----- Wirelessly signify?

[DrStiffler]

Interest Exciter Connections

YouTube - Running Wireless Exciter & Charging Power Capacitor

[mudwump]

Time studies for discharge and charging

I have 8 2.7 volt 20 farad caps in series. Actually I have two sets of these. The set I use for running the SEC and one for charging. The set I am running I charge up to 19.6 volts with an external power source. I disconnect the power source and then use the caps to power my SEC15-3. It takes 46 seconds to discharge to my lower limit of 17.6 volts. With this 2 volt range, I can not detect a change in brightness in a bank of 48 LEDs on a receiver tower. So that is my starting point.

The second bank of caps I start at 17.6 volts. These are placed on the receiver tower similar to the Doc's latest video. I attach the DMM and watch the charging and I time it. So far, it is much slower than 46 seconds, so much so that I have not completed a full charge cycle, but they are slowly charging. In my mind, I have to have a charge rate faster than the discharge rate in order to think I can get a self runner. If I can achieve a faster charge rate than discharge then I will take the time to automate the circuit.

My next step is to experiment with the receiver side load configuration to see if I can optimize and balance the load so that I can get a faster charge rate on the caps.

[Armagdn03]

In regards to the good Dr's previous question,

100% or even 150% will probably not feasible for a self runner unless the output impedance and input impedance are matched. Any mismatch will cause loss (maximum power transfer therum) which could be quite significant.
If you had even 50% loss, a COP of 2 will even be humbly brought down to 1 which is possible considering the super high Z of the plug which is going into large caps with a very low impedance.

What are other peoples thoughts?


p.s. Nice video lidmotor, and Dr. Stiffler.

[DrStiffler]

In regards to the good Dr's previous question,

100% or even 150% will probably not feasible for a self runner unless the output impedance and input impedance are matched. Any mismatch will cause loss (maximum power transfer therum) which could be quite significant.
If you had even 50% loss, a COP of 2 will even be humbly brought down to 1 which is possible considering the super high Z of the plug which is going into large caps with a very low impedance.

What are other peoples thoughts?


p.s. Nice video lidmotor, and Dr. Stiffler.

@Armagdn03

Many, many things impact what is required and what you say is a good part of it. With component loss diodes, transistor etc., it bring you to around a CEC of 2.9 for sustainably. Anything over 2.9 will be a great winner.

Although if we could talk about say KW systems the so called lost (Heat) can be used as a secondary investment.